Van Gaal Sees Next Job In England

Sandikan said:
Hang on hang on, what's all this Arsenal business? Moyes is well on course to match their last 8 years trophy haul :lol:
Wenger bought a £40m+ player and still won't even improve a finishing position!
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Ah hang on now! There is no way you can possibly think Wenger isn't a better manager than Moyes. Trophy haul aside he has consistently gotten Arsenal into the top 4 (something Moyes has failed miserably to do in one season). There is a reason why Real Madrid have tried to hire Wenger as there manager on numerous occasions yet no club in England, besides us, was willing to take a punt on Moyes during his time at Everton.
 
I noticed a few people saying we should be after Van Gaal. Let's be honest, when Fergie announced his retirement very few had him at the top of their lists to replace him. It's a bit like the transfer window: the worse we do the more people suggest silly names. I'm not saying he isn't a good manager but there were and are better overall candidates. There's a reason Van Gaal isn't at a top side. Though I'm looking forward to he and Levy falling out pretty quickly.
 
If he was on offer for us right now I'd take him over Moyes with ease, although I do agree there are better long term candidates out there. Still, I'd happily have him for a year or two just to see him implement something new and fresh into the team. He seems a bit of a dick and is quite arrogant, but isn't that what we need? We needed someone we believed they were good enough to succeed Moyes. Mourinho looked ideal for that up until he joined Chelsea. One of the criticisms of Moyes is he almost looks apologetic to simply be here. Whereas Van Gaal would stroll into the club and not worry about Fergie because he feels he is good enough to succeed him, Moyes knows he's vastly inferior to the man and it shows.

Him and Fergie clashing shouldn't come into it though. Fergie retired; his influence should not involve interfering with the manager. If that's going to be a problem, he'll be doomed to not get along with half of the world's top class coaches, because many of them are going to have ideas that conflict with his. I like that he remains around the club and will continue to do so, but there's got to be a limit to that involvement, and if he's arguing and conflicting with managers then he's doing too much.

And as to the poster who said Moyes is better than Wenger.:lol:
 
Brophs said:
I noticed a few people saying we should be after Van Gaal. Let's be honest, when Fergie announced his retirement very few had him at the top of their lists to replace him. It's a bit like the transfer window: the worse we do the more people suggest silly names. I'm not saying he isn't a good manager but there were and are better overall candidates. There's a reason Van Gaal isn't at a top side. Though I'm looking forward to he and Levy falling out pretty quickly.
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There's a reason Van Gaal isn't at a top side? He's currently with the Dutch national team and his last job was Bayern Munich?
 
africanspur said:
There's a reason Van Gaal isn't at a top side? He's currently with the Dutch national team and his last job was Bayern Munich?
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I meant club side, obviously enough. Plus he was sacked from Bayern. Prior to that he was with AZ. Was he properly linked with the United job last time around? Barca or Madrid? Chelsea or City? Very good coach obviously but he's not young and he has a reputation for falling out with people at his clubs.
 
Mistake for Spurs to go with this guy. His time is past. They should have gone for De Boer or even Pocchetino. Young managers who are very technically savvy, students of the game. The age of the old dog is passing.
Pocchetino would make things happen with that young team of under performers. He should be a candidate for us, but I can't see a risk being taken if Moyes is let go.
 
Red Harry said:
Mistake for Spurs to go with this guy. His time is past. They should have gone for De Boer or even Pocchetino. Young managers who are very technically savvy, students of the game. The age of the old dog is passing.
Pocchetino would make things happen with that young team of under performers. He should be a candidate for us, but I can't see a risk being taken if Moyes is let go.
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Anything to back this up? He won a league/cup double and reached a CL final 3 years ago. Now he's qualified his country for the world cup without losing a game?

Brophs said:
I noticed a few people saying we should be after Van Gaal. Let's be honest, when Fergie announced his retirement very few had him at the top of their lists to replace him. It's a bit like the transfer window: the worse we do the more people suggest silly names. I'm not saying he isn't a good manager but there were and are better overall candidates. There's a reason Van Gaal isn't at a top side. Though I'm looking forward to he and Levy falling out pretty quickly.
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In the wake of Fergie's retirement there were barely discussions about anyone to be fair, other than Mourinho. We were told it was Moyes by the media as soon as he retired and it seemed like a case of some accepting that and others clinging to the hope we'd pick Jose.

He'd definitely have been on my shortlist, although there wasn't a manager the Caf seemed to universally agree upon. There were and are still a lot of bellends who discredit Mourinho, Pep apparently wasn't worthy because he'd only done it with one club where he was giftwrapped the best team ever, Heynckes was too old and barely anyone wanted Ancelotti either. The Caf turned their nose up at the majority of the hottest property in management, and are doing the same here with Van Gaal. There may be a few better options but we've let them pass us by and now they're unattainable. He's a world class coach and he's available.
 
Dominos said:
Anything to back this up? He won a league/cup double and reached a CL final 3 years ago. Now he's qualified his country for the world cup without losing a game?
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He lost that final and was fired from Bayern after dropping to fourth place in a two horse race. Roy Hodgson qualified England to Brazil too. You can make him look bad as easily as you can make him look good, but you cannot turn back time.

My point is that he is a manager whose time has past. the future will belong to younger managers, and this is already clear. Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone, Rodgers, Blanc, Conte. They are young men, who play with new ideas and embrace new ideas. The last generation prefer to stick to the principles of their time.
 
Red Harry said:
He lost that final and was fired from Bayern after dropping to fourth place in a two horse race. Roy Hodgson qualified England to Brazil too. You can make him look bad as easily as you can make him look good, but you cannot turn back time.

My point is that he is a manager whose time has past. the future will belong to younger managers, and this is already clear. Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone, Rodgers, Blanc, Conte. They are young men, who play with new ideas and embrace new ideas. The last generation prefer to stick to the principles of their time.
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The Bayern fans on here seem to credit him with laying the foundations for their current dominance. I wouldn't mind a manager that would impose an attacking system on the team and has a personality that fits in Fergie's chair. A couple of years from him to awaken us from our current coma before moving on to a younger manager would be perfect. Klopp's my first choice, but hard to attain.
africanspur said:
Were you guys this negative about Moyes when he was still at Everton? I know he's done a shit job but I'm just wondering whether the people who thought he was one of the best managers before are now the people who are saying he'd barely make the top half or if it is the same people who always thought he was over-rated?

And I don't believe this for a second. He's been saying this for a while I think, I don't think we would have been able to keep it hidden for this long. And I also don't think he'd be willing to tie himself down this early. He'll wait a while, see what options open up and then decide.
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I thought he was a good premiership manager that needed to move on from the comfort of Everton and test himself elsewhere. Just not here. Although I didn't think he'd be this bad.
 
Red Harry said:
He lost that final and was fired from Bayern after dropping to fourth place in a two horse race. Roy Hodgson qualified England to Brazil too. You can make him look bad as easily as you can make him look good, but you cannot turn back time.

My point is that he is a manager whose time has past. the future will belong to younger managers, and this is already clear. Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone, Rodgers, Blanc, Conte. They are young men, who play with new ideas and embrace new ideas. The last generation prefer to stick to the principles of their time.
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And? Ferguson lost his last 2 finals. Was his time past?

You'd be shocked to find out the age of the manager who won the treble last season.

There's no doubt some of the older managers who've had success in the past are no longer relevant - Trapattoni, Lippi may be examples of this. Van Gaal certainly isn't.
 
Sandikan said:
Hang on hang on, what's all this Arsenal business? Moyes is well on course to match their last 8 years trophy haul :lol:
Wenger bought a £40m+ player and still won't even improve a finishing position!
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Moyes spent £70m and has regressed!
 
Red Harry said:
He lost that final and was fired from Bayern after dropping to fourth place in a two horse race. Roy Hodgson qualified England to Brazil too. You can make him look bad as easily as you can make him look good, but you cannot turn back time.

My point is that he is a manager whose time has past. the future will belong to younger managers, and this is already clear. Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone, Rodgers, Blanc, Conte. They are young men, who play with new ideas and embrace new ideas. The last generation prefer to stick to the principles of their time.
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He lost that final with a newly squad and with very much youngsters for a club that has been far away from any European trophies since 2001. He built up a new system and laid the foundations for the team today. He cleaned the squad from the bad apple and brought in some very good players.

Even Uli Hoeneß who for sure is not fan of van Gaal as they both are Alpha-Males and that brought some of the turbulences admitted that and told a year ago what a great coach van Gaal is.

And all of the guys he brought out for the teams he worked for - starting with Ajax but at Barcelona and for Bayern, too - are still very big fans of him. And it is a very big list of great footballers.

Van Gaal is the perfect build up manager. And he has balls - not everything was running smooth in his first Bayern year - just normal when you built up a new system. Tell me a coach that would play a 20-year-old youngster all the time instead of the biggest transfer of the country...
 
I'm not saying he is a bad manager. I feel strongly though, that we need to look to a younger man than Van Gaal. Hungry aggressive, who is a student of the game. I don't buy this idea that we need a temporary fix for a couple of years, regardless of the Moyes legacy.
Also when and if this happens, Fergie needs to take a round the world trip for a year, and enjoy his retirement away from the club. He can come back and take up his rightful place upstairs once the new man has his things in the shape he wants.

Van Gaal is going to Spurs anyway, so I don't know why so many people are hung up on getting in.
 
Brophs said:
I meant club side, obviously enough. Plus he was sacked from Bayern. Prior to that he was with AZ. Was he properly linked with the United job last time around? Barca or Madrid? Chelsea or City? Very good coach obviously but he's not young and he has a reputation for falling out with people at his clubs.
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He was at AZ where he won the league.

And a lot of managers get fired from top jobs. The Bayern fans on here give a good account of what happened when he was there.

He is a complete ass for sure and if he did come to Spurs, the inevitable falling out between him and Levy would be both spectacular and hilarious. He isn't a 'long term manager' in the mould of Ferguson either but he spends 2-3 seasons at clubs and that is sadly the average now at most top clubs. He will do a great job however wherever he goes next, whether Spurs, Man Utd or wherever else.
 
So what happens to the list of players Sherwood gave to Levy? I have a feeling Van Gaal will be given the AVB treatment by the media for stealing a job from a proper football man
 
mic.m said:
So what happens to the list of players Sherwood gave to Levy? I have a feeling Van Gaal will be given the AVB treatment by the media for stealing a job from a proper football man
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What list? Sherwood will be told to jog on and learn how to manage elsewhere.

Levy has never made decisions that make him popular with the media and if Van Gaal does come to this league, regardless of what team he manages, I doubt he'll give the slightest crap about what the media think of him.
 
the fact some are looking for another long-term manager makes me want to shake my head. if van gaal comes in for 2-3 years and lays foundation for something better ala bayern why is it such a bad thing? it would be bad if the next manager we brought in after him decided to go in a completely different direction rather than building on the current foundation put in place.

the long-term manager isn't dead in modern football by any means but the main reason i think fergie was long-term was because of his success. if people agree that fergie was a one-off then why are we looking for another 'fergie'?
 
It would be mental to pass up on the likes of Van Gaal to "give Moyes more time". The idea that time = success is a logical fallacy and a full season should be more than enough time to at least show some progress, so far there have been none. Moyes is not the next Ferguson, he looks more like the next Souness

I think Van Gall would be thrilled over the prospect of managing us. We are one of the biggest clubs in the world, and succeeding Moyes would mean the pressure would be a lot lower. It's a win-win for him.

Van Gaal for three or four seasons and a young coach as his right hand/potential successor would be ideal.
 
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