"Gladiator" would have struggled to make my Top 20 list of the year it came out (1999 I think) Nevermind, of all time.
Oranje Café's Top 50 Films aller tijden Aftellen Schroefdraad (The Countdown)
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I rewatched Once upon a time in the West yesterday and everyone who didn't include at least one Sergio Leone film in his list, really really needs to start watching some of his films, like now!!!! It simply can't be true, that most people believe none of his films deserve to be in here 
. And it's not like his films look dated now, they are timeless masterpieces, capture the time the films play in perfectly. Cinematography, the characters, the acting, writing and the music is not only flawless, but also original and wonderful. The guy directed the best opening scene (.. West) and the best final scene of all time (The Good, The Bad and The Ugly). He made watching someone catch a fly for 3 minutes a mind-blowing cinematic experience, ffs.
I'm not the biggest Tarantino fan, but what I like about him is, he actually knows films.
. And it's not like his films look dated now, they are timeless masterpieces, capture the time the films play in perfectly. Cinematography, the characters, the acting, writing and the music is not only flawless, but also original and wonderful. The guy directed the best opening scene (.. West) and the best final scene of all time (The Good, The Bad and The Ugly). He made watching someone catch a fly for 3 minutes a mind-blowing cinematic experience, ffs.I'm not the biggest Tarantino fan, but what I like about him is, he actually knows films.
He really knows what he's talking about here and his idea for the 'rewritten history' trilogy is clearly heavily influenced by Leone's 'once upon a time' trilogy (Duck, You Sucker! is the 2nd part and was originally named 'Once upon a time .. the revolution' and is sadly mostly overlooked, when people talk about his body of work.).
The fact that Tarantino loves Chungking Express and acquired the distribution rights for if in order to spread it forgives many things.
You are absolutely correct. To my shame, I did not include any Sergio Leone films from what I can recall at least. "The Good..." "West" and "Once upon a time in America" certainly deserve a shout for the all time Top 50.I rewatched Once upon a time in the West yesterday and everyone who didn't include at least one Sergio Leone film in his list, really really needs to start watching some of his films, like now!!!! It simply can't be true, that most people believe none of his films deserve to be in here
I'm not the biggest Tarantino fan, but what I like about him is, he actually knows films.
He really knows what he's talking about here and his idea for the 'rewritten history' trilogy is clearly heavily influenced by Leone's 'once upon a time' trilogy (Duck, You Sucker! is the 2nd part and was originally named 'Once upon a time .. the revolution' and is sadly mostly overlooked, when people talk about his body of work.).
We only had 20 slots, and I went for some of the major classics, and a few idiosyncratic choices ("300", "Interview with the Vampire" "The Hurt Locker" and "Blue is the warmest Colour")
The first scene in "Once Upon a time in the West" is also absolute cinematic perfection. The same goes with the scene where Henry Fonda kills the young child.
I think Tarantino's biggest problem at the moment is that he gets carried away with his love for films while making films. If he finally runs out of references he wants to include in his own work and learns to use the impact of quietness and simplicity, he'll make masterpieces. Even though I like Basterds and Django, they aren't as great as they could (maybe even should) have been. I'm sure we can expect greatness from him later in his career and I'm looking forward to it.
I'm really not sure if you're on a wum regarding 300 or not
. You can't be serious about 300 and at the same time criticise this list. It makes no sense. 300 is an uninspired comic adaption that looks flashy but gets boring soon enough. The two minute trailer with that Nine Inch Nails song was more intense than the whole film and had everything that's good about 300 in it. The actual film was just a boring extension of those two minutes. It should have been a brilliant video clip, not a shitty film.Oh you all are disappointment because you don't have same taste in movies as we have. We really can't understand how you didn't watch the movie that five people in the world watched and instead opted for much more famous movies. Shame on you all.
"300" obviously does not merit a place in the Top 20 films of all time. But I still think it's a good film, for what it tries to do. Outside of "300" I placed a few other films that do not merit such a high ranking. I was planning at revising my list, but I completely forgot. 300, Mary, Speed and The Matrix would all have been taken out of my list, to make room for one Sergio Leone film (one of "Good/Bad/Ugly" or "America") one Coen film ("No Country" or "Fargo") and probably two more Kubrick films (one of "Metal Jacket", "Clockwork", "Eyes Wide Shut") and certainly the addition of "The Shining" at a very high place.I'm really not sure if you're on a wum regarding 300 or not
Asian film fans are having a pernicious effect on this list. They are film "illiterate".
You think that Sergio Leone, Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick are obscure film directors with little known films?
You are a man on a mission. I respect that.
Have you not apologized yet?
I wasn't talking about some obscure films which aren't well known. I'm talking about big film productions with actors like Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson, Henry Fonda or Robert de Niro in it.
I don't think it's surprising or shameful that no Kurosawa film made the list for example. They are difficult to come across if you're not specifically looking for them. But Leone and Hitchcock films happen to be televised regularly even today and are easily accessible with well known actors starring in them. What's wrong with questioning why they completely missed the list? After all, these lists would be really boring without any discussion.
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Nobody said that, I didn't neccesarily had a moan at you or Balu, I am just moaning in general about people who are moaning at lists(maybe the five people comparission wasn't great tbh). People prefer movies from the last 20-30 years, nothing wrong in it, you can't blame someone for having different taste in movies to you.
My top 20 of all time would be a bit like this:
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey
2. Lawrence of Arabia
3. Apocalypse Now
4. Vertigo
5. Come and See
6. The Shining
7. Blade Runner
8. Gravity
9. Se7en
10. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
11. The Birds
12. The Godfather Part II
13. The Hurt Locker
14. No Country for Old Men
15. The Seventh Seal
16. Blue is the Warmest Colour
17. Fargo
18. Ctizen Kane
19. Alien
20. Interview with the Vampire
This is more like it. It can still be refined further, but this is I feel a really strong list.
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey
2. Lawrence of Arabia
3. Apocalypse Now
4. Vertigo
5. Come and See
6. The Shining
7. Blade Runner
8. Gravity
9. Se7en
10. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
11. The Birds
12. The Godfather Part II
13. The Hurt Locker
14. No Country for Old Men
15. The Seventh Seal
16. Blue is the Warmest Colour
17. Fargo
18. Ctizen Kane
19. Alien
20. Interview with the Vampire
This is more like it. It can still be refined further, but this is I feel a really strong list.
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Thanks, knew I'd made a major mistake somewhere!Fixed
Agree with this, everyone's opinion is different. And you know what they say about opinions...
Yeah ok, most people remember films from the last 2, 3 maximum ten years. But for those who are film buffs, like those who sit and re-watch the entire 1986 World Cup final, the old classics never die. It will take something truly staggering for me to rank any modern film above the like of "Lawrence", "Vertigo" or "The Shining"
As I said, maybe I was too harsh with my "five people" argument, but still, there are lot of not well known movies mentioned with people surprised not being there. I find it weird. Of course more people will watch Dark Knight everyone talks about with all the effects and stuff ahead of some movies from 1960s even if that movie from 1960. is better.
And I don't have anything against discussion, it's great that you are discussing it after the list is unveiled, and the questioning that some movies are missing is reasonable, I just find it strange that some of you are surprised why some films are missing.
I haven't watched tons of movies like many here are, I didn't even post my list even though I had watched less movies than lot of you and I still found it pretty hard to decide my top20 list, let alone place them in order, that would be impossible for me.
Never got the hype about it. Probably with Blade Runner and 7 Samurai are the classics that I didn't like that much. I have watched many Hitchkock movies and I liked more at-least Dial M For Murder, Rope, Psycho and Rear Window. Also, Steward looked to me a bit old for that role.
Maybe I just wasn't on a good mood, so definitely need to give it another go.
I can understand that, and I have no problems with it, I just find it weird that some are surpised/moaning that some films are missing on the list. You can hardly get better list when there are no limits/filters whatsoever. Some people here watched 200 films and created their list, and some watched way over 2000 and created the list, of course it will be flawed. It would be the best if we could pick something like 100 best movies, give everyone few months to watch movies they missed from that list, and then to vote(something like they did last time they made this kind of list), but that would take a while.
It is impossible. I made up countless restrictions for myself to come up with a half decent one and even included some films that I don't necessarily see as top50 of all time worthy, but wanted them mentioned in the thread so that maybe some people catch up on them, gain interest to see them. That's why I actually like all the moaning and flaming afterwards. The list can't ever be perfect, but the discussion might spark interest in some of the classics, some of the lesser known films. I'd even argue that the ones who are moaning about shit films being in the list take it less serious than the ones who are actually offended by it. After all the best thing about these lists is 1. the fun making and discussing it and 2. learning about new things.
Blue is the warmest colour in a top 20 of all time and you dare come in and criticize people's tastes, ffs!
North by Northwest is way too often overlooked when it comes to Hitchkock
.Gravity in the top 10 is way way way worse.Blue is the warmest colour in a top 20 of all time and you dare come in and criticize people's tastes, ffs!
Hadn't even spotted it, but good point yeah.
I mean I don't care if people present their preferences just as that, their preferences, but when they get all judgmental and patronizing and present it as a 'very strong list' I just can't help but roll my eyes.
Also, wasn't it malappapper who defended 300 by saying it served a historical purpose or whatever?
Vertigo was ill-received when it first came out, but over the years it has come to be considered Hitchcock's best ever (along with Psycho) For me, it definitely and easily beats Psycho.
But I don't choose the films I like based on their reputation. I have a few classics that I don't really get the point of. "Goodfellas", "Shawshank Redemption", "Paths of Glory", and "Rear Window" do not cut it for me.
"Vertigo" and "Blade Runner" are two of my all-time favourites though.
Are you serious? Or you are just looking for something negative to say? I can accept that 300 is cheesy and all, but you can't accept Gravity? I would like to see both your list as well as Parisian Rooney's one.
Interview with the Vampire is a pretty weird choice, as is the cliche fest that is The Hurt Locker.
Adèle is definitely top 20, Léa too maybe.
Adèle is definitely top 20, Léa too maybe.
Show me your list.
That's a fair point, I know I met with both of these points, but there is also a another one(people being surprised by things they shouldn't be), and it's getting on my nerves for some reason.
Cheers! I looked at it and saw that is on my imdb watch list. Downloading it nowNorth by Northwest is way too often overlooked when it comes to Hitchkock
Hey, we all have our idiosyncratic preferences. But both those films are very good to say the least. You can't have a list made up only of Kubrick/Hitchcock/Scorcese/Lean etc... It will just be a fake.
Lea just slaughters Adele imo...
You can find it in the submission thread.
You know one of my plans in life is to bump into her in Paris and get her to say "Je t'aime Nilsson" that I'll snapchat you. I think you could die a happy man after that.
I like Interview with the Vampire, it's a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine, but ranking it so high??
One of my plans in life is too meet her in Paris so I hope I get there first!
If I find her first, I'll kidnap her and keep her on ice til you arrive. Deal?