Ramsay was hopeless since coming back from injury and it was plain to see. It's not as though Cleverley is at that depth at the moment. Ramsay was getting panned as not good enough left right and centre. It was Gareth Bale levels of abuse when Bale had that awful run a few years ago. It's been a phenomenal turnaround and definitely deserved.
Lazy.
Not really. I don't see what Cleverley can do that Gibson can't. Other than the fact he's more agile and speedy.
Like I said, lazy.
Well keep saying it, if it makes you feel better.
Before the injury, he was very good. The injury did have a massive impact on him. I have never seen Tom have the kind of impact which Ramsey has/had before and after his injury.
I am not sure if he had that 'close and hose' ability that he showed this season. He battled for the ball a lot. Cleverley tried this season to do that and wasn't all that good. I reckon that a lot of it was down to his own ability and being uncomfortable in the role but partially the system itself to blame.
He wouldn't be bad there in my opinion. Not really as a 'winger', but a wide man of sorts.
He's not a good dribbler and not a skillful. So I can't see him being a winger. If we want to utilise his crossing, probably put him as a right centre mid in 433 or diamond.
Thrown in at the deep end under Moyes and told to do all the legwork for a fading Carrick who barely got forward all season. Pass and move player passing.. Then waiting as he doesn't get the ball back. I'm sure in a move fluid system we'll see a bit more from him. He's not had a good season in terms of productivity but he did play very well beside Jones for a little burst mid season.
Yep it was almost impossible for him to put in a decent performance at times. Carrick would be so deep and often out left trying to cover Evra who was up the field out of position. Valencia never leaves the right touchline, Rooney didn't drop deep as much and it left Cleverley trying to cover the whole middle of the pitch by himself and is why at times he was caught running all over the place looking lost because he simply had no support and was expected to cover too much ground by himself. I'm not saying he is great but even put a much better midfielder in his role at times this season and they will look bad too.
You said you don't like him, but still you are being extremely harsh on the boy here.
Yup, that game away to Olympiacos was a great example. He was literally just running after the player with the ball because nothing was happening around him. He received most of the criticism after the game, some of which was completely undeserved.
I used to be in "Cleverley's corner". Then he gave that interview during last season. After that interview I realized that Cleverley is cut from the same cloth as David Moyes. I don't like people who genuinely believe they are doing something positive when they are not. It is no different to all the pathetic quotes Moyes came out with during his press conferences such as "I thought we played well" when we played shit. If Cleverley had a complete change in attitude and just accepted that he was average in every way last season, without making any excuses for himself, that would be the first step. Then he would need to show a desire to improve his midfield performances in all areas. Improve his contribution when we are defending AND attacking.
Nobody cares.
The man said it himself that he needs to improve on his defensive and creative side. He even admitted that he's having an average season.
I think you forgot about cleverly's another interview where he said he is not type off player who will dribble pass players and smash the football in top corner.!? Google it I am sure you will find his quotes.
There is nothing wrong with that interview. He accepts he has been average and doesn't make excuses. This interview is different.
He done his job under SAF - Moyes was disaster - Van gaal.? Too early to rite hime off
He was already a starter for Ferguson in his last couple of seasons, so he was good enough for Fergie for sure.
I don't blame ANY of our players for last season. 100% of the blame is down to Moyes and his coaching staff. That is who I blame for last season, I don't have scapegoats. Moyes was cancer not a scapegoat. We were cured of cancer when we sacked Moyes. The problem with Cleverley is what he said in the interview. If a player is average but wants to improve fine. If a player is average but they believe they are playing well and are happy to carry on the same, that is not fine.
I don't know what's wrong with what he said. He said he has learned to take the criticism with a pinch of salt, acknowledges the fact that he needs to improve while saying people in the media are a bit harsh in their treatment of him.
Great analysis. Typical case of 'you're reading the mirror'. Best way to avoid these situations is to be diligent. Don't read the mirror and you won't have any problems. Interesting psychoanalytic representation of 'sheep' mentality though.
Its because Cleverley said it, that's why. There is often no other reason when it comes to hate on this forum.
Agree with most of this.
