Final - Germany vs. Argentina

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So, it's now South America 9-11 Europe
South America: (Brazil x5, Argentina x2, Uruguay x2)
Europe: ((West)Germany x4, Italy x4, England, France, Spain)
There is no leading continent. And that's the reason why it is the beautiful game the world loves. And TBH, the Japanese and the South Koreans have quality players who could win it too, one day.
 

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Neuer should have been off for his Schumacher challenge on Higuain. The fact he punches the ball is irrelevant when he comes charging out and jumps into a striker leading with the knee. If that's legal then there's going to be a lot of injuries next season.
To liken it to Schumacher assault on Battiston is just wrong.
Neuer went for the ball and fairly won it, had he missed the ball as Scumacher did then fair enough.
Aguero and Mascherano both should have went.
 

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Worthy winners.

Messi winning the Golden Ball? Feel its given more as a consolation rather than for being the best player of the tournament.
 

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The Neuer punch is a difficult one. He's obviously going for and wins the ball, so I reckon it would've been just as contentious to give a foul for dangerous play than to let it go.

Even if you give it, what do you give? A penalty for a successful keeper challenge? An indirect free kick in the box?
 

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It was a bit naughty. I looked at Aguero and Schweinsteiger and he makes a fist with his hand when he goes up for the ball. I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing. Garay's challenge wasn't that clear cut at all and may well have been an accident. Neuer charging out would put the wind up most people but maybe you're right. I'll have to watch it again.
Neuer did what every goalkeeper does: He put up his knee in order to protect himself. And he got the ball. Higuain had no chance to get it once Neuer made his choice. In fact the Argentinian GK did exactly the same thing in the first half, only that Klose saw it coming and avoided him. And it's not violent behaviour by GK's. If they wouldn't don't do it, they get into bodies with their arms up, and expose their whole gut. Kidney, liver, stomach. Normal player go only straight up, no much exposure, a GK is a completely different story.
 

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The Neuer punch is a difficult one. He's obviously going for and wins the ball, so I reckon it would've been just as contentious to give a foul for dangerous play than to let it go.

Even if you give it, what do you give? A penalty for a successful keeper challenge? An indirect free kick in the box?
That's why I can't agree with @Pink Moon.
 

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The Neuer punch is a difficult one. He's obviously going for and wins the ball, so I reckon it would've been just as contentious to give a foul for dangerous play than to let it go.

Even if you give it, what do you give? A penalty for a successful keeper challenge? An indirect free kick in the box?
The real joke was that the fault was given against Argentina, and yes i do believe it shouldve been called an indirect free kick in the box. It appears the refeeres have forgotten they can do that.
 

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Argentina deserved it based on this match.

Germany deserved it from the entire tournie.
 

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Neuer did what every goalkeeper does: He put up his knee in order to protect himself. And he got the ball. Higuain had no chance to get it once Neuer made his choice. In fact the Argentinian GK did exactly the same thing in the first half, only that Klose saw it coming and avoided him. And it's not violent behaviour by GK's. If wouldn't don't do it, they get into bodies with their arms up, and expose their whole gut. Kidney, liver, stomach. Normal player go only straight up, no much exposure, a GK is a completely different story.
Plus Neuer's momentum carried him forward. Must be like getting hit by a bus.
 

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The real joke was that the fault was given against Argentina, and yes i do believe it shouldve been called an indirect free kick in the box. It appears the refeeres have forgotten they can do that.
Really? I thought it was a clear foul on Neuer. If a defender cleared the ball and was clattered and overturned that late I don't think this would even be a discussion.
 

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Higuain saw it coming. He was hoping to get something from it. He got trounced instead.
 

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Argentina deserved it based on this match.

Germany deserved it from the entire tournie.
I've seen this said a few times. Did they? They had the better chances but were on the back foot the entire game. Germany were playing all the football.

It seemed the right result to me. And probably scoreline tbf.
 

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To liken it to Schumacher assault on Battiston is just wrong.
Neuer went for the ball and fairly won it, had he missed the ball as Scumacher did then fair enough.
Aguero and Mascherano both should have went.
"Fairly"? In what universe is leading with the knee (and clattering into the defenceless attackers face) fair, ffs :lol:
 

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Argentina deserved it based on this match.

Germany deserved it from the entire tournie.
Argentina had 3 great chances and failed to hit the target once, apart from that they defended well and were disappointing going forward as they have been the entire tournament.
To sum up they are a difficult team to beat but for me the Germans were better tonight and deserved to win.
 

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I've seen this said a few times. Did they? They had the better chances but were on the back foot the entire game. Germany were playing all the football.

It seemed the right result to me. And probably scoreline tbf.
I think they created the better chances. Germany had dominance in the 2nd half but can't remember any real German chances apart from a goal and a Schurrle half chance. Oh and the header that hit the bar. Even the goal was far from a certain thing.

Argentina had a goal disallowed, Palacio should've scored, Higuain should've scored, Messi should've scored...they were all clear cut chances.
 

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Side note


Media reports Messi himself changed team tactics during break
 

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"Fairly"? In what universe is leading with the knee (and clattering into the defenceless attackers face) fair, ffs :lol:
You have never seen any goalkeepers jumping like this before?
Higuain was never going to get anywhere near the ball, the fact he put himself in that position only he can explain. So yes it was excellent goalkeeping from Neuer.
 

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I think they created the better chances. Germany had dominance in the 2nd half but can't remember any real German chances apart from a goal and a Schurrle half chance. Oh and the header that hit the bar. Even the goal was far from a certain thing.

Argentina had a goal disallowed, Palacio should've scored, Higuain should've scored, Messi should've scored...they were all clear cut chances.
And that's all you judge a performance on?
 

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"Fairly"? In what universe is leading with the knee (and clattering into the defenceless attackers face) fair, ffs :lol:
Same one as smashing a player with a good, clean tackle is fair. He got the ball first, and he wasn't leading with the knee.
 

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I think they created the better chances. Germany had dominance in the 2nd half but can't remember any real German chances apart from a goal and a Schurrle half chance. Oh and the header that hit the bar. Even the goal was far from a certain thing.

Argentina had a goal disallowed, Palacio should've scored, Higuain should've scored, Messi should've scored...they were all clear cut chances.
I don't think argentina even had a shot on target.
 

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Germanys 4th WC, excellent achievement for Lahm, Lowe, DFB, etc and could kick on with this pool of players to further success.

Lovely strike from Goetze aswell, deserving of the situation.
 

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Weirdly, I'd say that's the best Argentina have been at this tournament...

And yet, Germany still deserved the win in my opinion.
 

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And that's all you judge a performance on?
I judge a performance on whoever looks the most threatening. That was Argentina. Germany dominated the 2nd half as I said, but created little.

This is all irrelevant..Germany won, who cares who deserved what? Like I said, they deserved it over the course of the tournie.
 

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I don't think argentina even had a shot on target.
That's an incredibly misleading stat then isn't it? Considering they scored but it was offside and Messi had a chance which 9/10 times he puts away. Not to mention the sitter Higuain missed and the excellent Palacio chance.

They could easily have had a few, they clearly created chances. They just fluffed it up in front of goal.
 

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Depends what you mean by threatening. I though Germany created much better "openings" (even though that's a weird, vague subjective term)..Argentina got a couple of good chances from mistakes, created one from good play, and one that was offside and otherwise looked a bit short on ideas.

Germany were probing far better IMO, but often missing the final ball. Or unfortunately having it fall to the big lump Howedes in great positions.
 

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Depends what you mean by threatening. I though Germany created much better "openings" (even though that's a weird, vague subjective term)..Argentina got a couple of good chances from mistakes, created one from good play, and one that was offside and otherwise looked a bit short on ideas.

Germany were probing far better IMO, but often missing the final ball. Or unfortunately having it fall to the big lump Howedes in great positions.
Maybe, just the way I perceived it I guess. Oh well, irrelevant as it gets now. It won't comfort Argentina fans and it won't bother German ones.
 

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They parked the bus and got lucky with some slip ups.
And this is an Argentina team with Messi, Aguero, Di Maria (though not tonight obvs) and some very tough defenders. It's not some plucky little outfit that did well beyond their means to soak up and counter.
 

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Argentina were trying a counter attacking game in the knockouts, but in the end they didn't score in open play in either the semis or the final. For a team with such attacking talent, it seems like something went wrong there.

The Germans were always more pointed and aggressive in searching for the win and it was well deserved when it came.