When the 2022 World Cup is confirmed to take place in Winter...

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@rcoobc , was there some news that prompted you to bump the thread? As things stand, we're still go for Summer 2022, right?


Also, I'd argue that the quality of football in international cups is comparable with club competitions. There's just more quality sides in club football.
As DOTA said, there were rumours about the taskforce last night and theyve said as much today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...fa-task-force-recommends-winter-schedule.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31600194
http://www.theguardian.com/football...2022-winter-qatar-fifa-task-force-temperature
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-tournament-to-take-place-in-winter-live.html
 

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England will probably knight the manager, the captain and any goal scorers if we ever win the European Championship.

That's not to say it's "the one" they all want to win, but most/many players would happily receive a broken leg if it meant winning the Euros
 

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England will probably knight the manager, the captain and any goal scorers if we ever win the European Championship.

That's not to say it's "the one" they all want to win, but most/many players would happily receive a broken leg if it meant winning the Euros
Unless something drastic happens in English football and in what concerns FA policy, i don´t think you have worry about that.
 

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I've not really read into this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but why can't the games be played in the summer, in stadiums with roofs and Air Conditioning throughout it?
 

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The ramifications for this are staggering.

1) Most major leagues around the world, including the English, Spanish, German, Italian, French, Scottish, Dutch, Portuguese, Russian, Mexican, etc will have to introduce artificial breaks, move their existing breaks around, or completely change how their season is structured.

2) Likewise, the UEFA Champions League and other continental tournaments will have to be moved about.

3) The Club World Cup will have to be moved... will that now be played in the summer? But the South American Copa Libertadores (and other continental competitions) only finishes in December.

4) Is the Confederations Cup going to go the way of the Dodo?

5) The 2024 European Championships will only have 18 months to do qualification before the tournament starts... Except it's actually worse than that. The final playoff round for International Tournaments tend to take place in November - 7 months before the tournament. For that to continue, UEFA would have to run an entire qualifying tournament from December 2022 to November 2023.... 11 months. Not going to happen!

You can add to that all the broadcasters who will be annoyed, all the players who will be tired, all the fans that won't want to spend December in Qatar.

That doesn't even mention Qatar's human rights record, it doesnt mention Qatar the logistics of building 15 stadiums only to take them down again.

They've fecked up the entire football world for pure greed.
Basically this.

The only rational thing is to tell Qatar to feck off and give it to a country more suited.
 

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Who has made the decision than it's can't be held in the summer?
Countless little marine organisms that died, sank to the bottom of the sea, decayed, and then got progressively more crushed by more and more stuff sinking down on top of them which then turned to rock under it's own weight and then the decayed stuff fermented a bit more, turned black and swilled around for a few million years until some guys poked it with a stick, made it come out, sold it and gave half the money to some guys in tea towels who then had enough dosh to do whatever the feck they wanted.
 

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Who has made the decision than it's can't be held in the summer?
Probably Blatter with the backing of prestigious FA's such as Antigua e Barbuda, Seychelles, Trinidad e Tobago, Fiji, Samoa, East Timor, Bahrein etc etc
 

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/02/24/uk-soccer-world-qatar-analysis-idUKKBN0LS17D20150224
(Reuters) - The FIFA Task Force set up to recommend the best time of year to stage the 2022 World Cup in Qatar were always in an impossible position, from the moment they sat down to consider the options.

But Tuesday's recommendation to stage it over November and December is probably the best option for all -- even though Europe's major clubs disagree.

The European giants will have seven years to get used to the idea that they must re-schedule five or six matches in the winter of 2022, for the first time in almost 100 years of World Cup soccer.

For once, they may have to put football's wider interests ahead of their own, as Sheikh Salman bin Ebrahim AlKhalifa, the head of the Task Force, implied.

"Some people have concerns, but whatever decision you're going to take will have some questions about it," he said on the sidelines of a meeting which settled on the proposals.

"But we need to look at the overall benefit for everybody."

There had been effectively four options facing the Task Force which was holding its third and final meeting in Doha on Tuesday.

Had they recommended a January and February tournament, the World Cup would clash with, among other things, the globally-televised Winter Olympics, the NFL Superbowl and the Australian Open tennis championships.

Had they gone for an April/May option, the dates would clash with Islam's observance of Ramadan and the climax of the European domestic and continental seasons.

The months of June and July were ruled out because of the summer temperatures in the Gulf when the mercury regularly rises to 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit), impractical for players and fans alike, even in Qatar's promised, eco-friendly and solar-powered air-conditioned stadiums.



COMFORTABLE TEMPERATURES

A winter World Cup later in the year would disrupt around 50 major leagues around the world for a few weeks, as well as holding up the Champions and Europa Leagues.

But the temperatures would be a more comfortable, 23-30 Celsius in the Middle East, and the only people seriously affected would be the top clubs in Europe, although the concept of a winter break is not entirely alien to them.

Germany's Bundesliga always has a break in January as do many other leagues in colder eastern Europe, and if, for the first time since the World Cup started in 1930, clubs in England and elsewhere have to accommodate the change, they have seven years to prepare for it.

Of course, the qualifying competition, which traditionally ends six months before the finals, would probably have to be tweaked, finishing with the playoffs in April or May 2022 rather than the usual November finish the year before the finals.

The Task Force is also considering staging the Confederations Cup in June or July 2021 outside Qatar while the FIFA Club World Cup could be held in Qatar in November and December 2021 as the World Cup test event.

"The proposed event dates have the full support of all six Confederations" -- including UEFA, whose president Michel Platini has continually backed a winter World Cup," FIFA said in a statement after the meeting.

Although the major clubs in Europe will be unhappy with the disruption to their usual schedule, the World Cup is, by its very nature, a global event, and not only a European one.

Naturally, given the soap opera that modern football has become, European clubs will not readily agree to this and the fall-out is likely to rumble on for years.

The next stage in the long-running saga will come when FIFA's executive committee meets in Zurich on March 19 and 20 to endorse the Task Force proposals. That will settle the issue once and for all.

Harold Mayne-Nicholls, the former head of the technical committee which analysed all the countries bidding to stage the 2022 finals, gave Qatar the lowest marks because of the summer heat but told Reuters in a recent interview that following further analysis he too now favoured a November/December tournament.

One compromise the Task Force has recommended is that the tournament should be curtailed for a few days to try to minimise disruption further.

So there will not be a Christmas World Cup. But at least the winning country will have something of a unique gift to enjoy that month.
Looking at that, at least November-December seems like the best of the worst options.

The Mirror tried to look at how it will affect the English football here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qatar-world-cup-what-winter-5220299
 

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Did Blatter write that Reuters piece? He might as well have...
 

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Oh how i wish that they all unite and boycott that piece of shit.
 

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It is illegal to drink alcohol in public or be seen drunk in a public place in Qatar also
Considering what FIFA made Brazil do with regards to Alcohol, I'm not sure if it would be funnier if they do or don't make Qatar change this
 

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I've not really read into this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but why can't the games be played in the summer, in stadiums with roofs and Air Conditioning throughout it?
The air conditioning concept was dismissed years ago, I believe. It turned out to be too expensive and impossible to sustain. I'm not sure if that was the end of it but I haven't heard anything of it since. Anyway, there may possibly be other ways to cool the stadiums but the bigger problem is outside. No fan would want to spend a few weeks in a fecking hotel, would he? The majority of the people going to the WC would not be familiar with or used to such extreme weather conditions, which could lead to serious and realistic risks for their health.
 

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Poor decision, not that I had any hope that they would remedy the situation. Still stand by the fact that it should not be held in Qatar. And probably not Russia either, for the next one while we are at it.
 

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My predictions of what will happen because of this

1) The League Cup will die. - the Premier League know they can make a lot more $$$ by showing Arsenal vs Everton on these nights rather than West Ham vs Bradford. Its an excuse to kill it, and later replace it with something more profitable in future.

2) The Confederations Cup will die. - there is no room for it in 2021, no one likes it, and its a chance for Fifa to replace it with something more profitable in future.

3) The World Club Cup will be moved and expanded. It would be audacious from FIFA to muck about UEFA competition's with club and country changes, but it needs to be moved now, and FIFA originally wanted a tournament more akin to the 2000 disaster.

4) Qualification for Euro 2024 will be drastically reduced. Probably 11/12 groups of 4 and 5, with no playoffs.

5) World Cup 2026 will be expanded. There will be fewer initial fixtures during the league season as a compromise with the clubs.

6) All future international tournaments, possibly including the ACN, will take place during the European summer.


Oh and Russia will be considered quite boring and sterile, Qatar will be quite exciting but sterile, and 2026 will be okay
 
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So, the entire world, every football association (except MLS), broadcasters, sponsors, players, every other tournament, every other competition, all have to change to accomodate Qatar's bid?
It's looking that way isn't it? Wouldn't surprise me to see clubs in open revolt about this loony decision by FIFA.
 

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There really isn't anything wrong with a winter World Cup, it's just the underhand nature of it all.
I agree with that. I don't have a problem with the result, I think it actually might be fun for once to have the WC final a couple of days before Christmas, but th way they've brought this change in is pretty disgusting. But not all that surprising, really.
 

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Nothing is sacred any more. And now corruption slaps us in the face and we will all complain yet still let things happen in a passive aggressive way.
 

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There really isn't anything wrong with a winter World Cup, it's just the underhand nature of it all.
What about people spending lots of money to travel right before Christmas? Not gonna happen. This will be an empty World Cup.
 

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Europe's hurt over winter World Cup disruption is nothing but grand hypocrisy

Tom Adams says it is inconsistent for European giants to take huge amounts of Middle Eastern sponsorship then complain about disruption when a World Cup is held there.


With the perfect timing of a Cesc Fabregas through-ball, it was revealed in a study on Monday evening that Middle East investment was “swelling the coffers of Europe's top football clubs whose income from shirt sponsorship has soared to over £503.73 million this season - 20 percent up on 2013-14.”

The most eye-catching figure from the report from analysts Repucom was that companies from the United Arab Emirates and Qatar had invested around €160m (£118m) in European shirt sponsorship this season alone, amounting to almost a quarter of the total contribution from across the globe, including Europe itself.

Meanwhile, tonight, arguably the most eagerly awaited of the Champions League last-16 matches sees Manchester City, sponsored by Etihad Airways, taking on Barcelona, sponsored by Qatar Airways, at the Etihad Stadium, just a short stroll from the Etihad Campus.

The Middle East is a huge player in European football, from owners at Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain, through influence at clubs like Barcelona and via coaches like Pep Guardiola, a long-term advocate of Qatar. It might not please traditionalists, but it is nevertheless a fact of the modern game, a duality perhaps best demonstrated in Florentino Perez’s accidental announcement recently that after Madrid signed an agreement with the International Petroleum Investment Company, the rebuilt Bernabeu would be renamed.

“We’ll call it Ipic Bernabeu or whatever they want,” said Perez in front of a hidden camera, laying bare the influence that money and sponsorship will buy you in football. According to AS, Madrid’s remodelled ground will be called the Abu Dhabi Bernabeu, a name that would at the very least wreak havoc when put into Google Maps.

Yet while European clubs so enthusiastically embrace the money flowing in from the Middle East, their attitude sours at the prospect of actual proper football being exported to the region at a time inconvenient to them. The most vociferous opponents to Tuesday's recommendation from FIFA’s taskforce that the 2022 World Cup must be switched from summer to winter were European.

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Bayern Munich chief executive and, more importantly, chairman of the European Club Association, had this to say: "European clubs and leagues cannot be expected to bear the costs for such rescheduling. We expect the clubs to be compensated."

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore, apparently blind to the irony of that organisation complaining about inconvenient fixture changes, added: "Yes, very disappointed that's the word, on behalf of the all the European leagues and particularly the European clubs who provide most of the players for this World Cup. The idea that we turned up today, it was a pretty short meeting, to be told that it is going to happen in November and December is very disappointing.

“We had a consistent position all along and for the integrity of the Football League to have to stop for six or seven weeks is less than ideal. FIFA keep their international dates, they keep their World Cup intact, even UEFA, who, I think, let us down a little bit, clearly pushed this... so their Champions League can start and carry on again, just like it always does."

The poor, downtrodden Premier League, being ordered around like that. Not getting their own way. Having to change their schedule for the first time ever. It's a scandal. What would soften the blow? A £5bn TV deal?

The reaction from the big clubs and leagues paints a picture of a Europe happy to take Middle Eastern money whern it suits them, but not take instruction in return. It is not a symbiotic relationship, but instead symptomatic of the power dynamic in football which heavily favours Europe already.

No one is pretending that a winter World Cup will not cause huge disruption for the big European leagues, but the whole of football already exists to enrich them. Giant TV revenues pour into their coffers from all corners of the globe, the Asian market props up their burgeoning commercial income and playing talent moves, as if by osmosis, from Africa and South America in a constant stream that fundamentally weakens the country which has actually produced the players.

Leagues across the world suffer from the fact that local fans are more interested in what happens in the England than their own doorstep. The Premier League and the European Club Association sit at the very apex of football’s pyramid, where money, unlike water, flows uphill. Very quickly. Eroding the landscape in its wake.

Even more ludicrous than these winges over compensation, it has been suggested that the Qatar World Cup could come too close to Christmas. If anything exemplifies football’s heavy Euro-centric bias, it is this. Not everyone in the world celebrates Christmas, you know, even if it’s important for the Premier League brand.

While Europe wrings its hands over scheduling problems for its leagues, few have actually cottoned on to the fact that the more clear and present danger from a November/December World Cup in 2022 is towards the African Cup of Nations which is currently due to be held the very next month in Guinea.

There are many reasons why playing a World Cup in Qatar is a horrid idea. They have been so well-rehearsed that they do not need repeating here. It is enough to restate the figure of a predicted 4,000 migrant worker deaths which could occur as infrastructure is built. But Christmas being disrupted, and subsequent impositions on the Premier League, are not among them.

It is perhaps worth noting at this point that none of Europe's biggest stakeholders are making the argument that a Qatar World Cup is unsupportable on moral or ethical grounds. That does not come into the equation. European football is capitalism writ large and profit is the only issue worth making a noise about.

So when the whole football eco-system is constructed to favour Europe's giants anyway, when every single World Cup so far has conformed to their calendar and when Middle Eastern money has been so greedily ingested in recent years, it makes it hard to take seriously the complaints coming from the most powerful corridors of Europe on Tuesday.
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog...er-winter-world-cup-disruption-153738929.html
 

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Stupid article, the World Cup needs Europe more than the other way round, I really hope the G14 is reformed and tell Blatter to go screw himself with this Qatar WC, and good luck with a WC without any of the world's top players.
Good luck telling the world's top players they can't represent their country at the world cup
 

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Wouldn't players become "free agents" if that happens, where 13 richest and most disgusting clubs in the world, along with Manchester United, decide to break from FIFA?