[TheSamulator]

I disagree, I think with that sub (Carrick for Herrera) we've cut off the main attack point for Arsenal. EVERYTHING they did came from that side, and with Carrick being more stout there they had nothing going. I'm very confident we would of grabbed a goal and seen out the game had that stupid play not happen. You can't account for that kind of mistake.

Fair enough. I do agree they did feck all in the second half really, which is one of the most annoying things for me. I still do feel we gave away a lot of our attacking momentum by slowing our midfield down so radically though. It's fine that we disagree though, it's be fecking shit if we all thought the same thing.

 

[darko]

thought ddg was a bit slow and to come for it and want great at their first - went in at his near post. But generally more dfenders fault

OMG! I can't believe that you are faulting DDG at for that terrible back pass.

 

[Tonjo]

LVG still do not realize where United is lacking, players who can control and turn and not losse the ball.
They lack players that are confident on the ball. Only a few of them are. Herrera is one of them. Mata is just too weak for the premier league. Whenever he faced teams who has bigger players, he tends to be pushed away. That's why Felliani is doing well as he is tough and cannot be pushed away easily.
Smalling, Jones and even Evans are poor with ball control and should be moved to other positions or sold. Shaw is really over priced as he only has speed and not much skill in beating his opponents.

 

[minoo-utd]

Inexperience from DM after he dived. He should be benched for his own good now. Valencia and Jones did enough stupidity in Welbeck goal. Carrick wasnt fit as Herrera and he added nothing. Jones is as always a no brainer footballer. Januzaj never progressing and he is not our game changer type of a player, maybe Mata would have been better. Poor sub by LVG. No time for panic really, we need to pick our selves up and beat Spurs next game still finishing at top four is our biggest teophy to chase this year. Finger crossed.

 

[Cassidy]

thought ddg was a bit slow and to come for it and want great at their first - went in at his near post. But generally more dfenders fault

Really?

 

[darko]

While I don't dislike Valencia, maybe Rafael will get a start at RB.

 

[Ananke]

I've no issue with the style LVG likes to play and his philosophy. But we just dont have the quality back 4/5 to make it tick. Its been an issue all season. Its slow build up, teams come up against us and they know exactly how we're going to play. They pressure the defence and we make errors.

If you've got a solid world class defence/midfield, works a treat. The players know how to deal with situations and have the quality to get past opposition. We havent had a solid defence since we started the season, they look nervy when passing it around back there, and anytime some pressure is applied it gets messy.

At the moment we can dominate games with his style, but you watch anytime the opposition applies a bit of pressure from the front, its anything but calm/thoughtful passing.

 

[FlapR]

What?? So why fall down? Why not come to a halt and turn around?

Clearly never played sport in your life have you? When you're leaning forward and running as fast as possible it's a much easier option to do that, all footballers do it.

If you don't understand what I'm saying, watch the footage again.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I agree it would have been different had Valencia not fecked up so badly, but i don't agree that the subs didn't change things. Carrick makes everything inherently slower. At least Herrera's first thought it always to go forward and try something. Sure, it can result in feck ups but if you don't take risks you don't make goals. I felt we gave away our momentum with the subs.

They couldn't have made any more cockups with Herrera on than they managed without him. The manager taking him off, if he isn't ill or injured has to take a lot of the blame for this. I wonder how Rooney is feeling. He must be sick to the stomach.

Can you imagine if we lost to Spurs after this as well.

 

[TheSamulator]

They couldn't have made any more cockups with Herrera on than they managed without him. The manager taking him off, if he isn't ill or injured has to take a lot of the blame for this. I wonder how Rooney is feeling. He must be sick to the stomach.

Yep, that's my thinking. I mean, we didn't make a good chance in the second half did we? Don't tell me that was just because Arsenal suddenly got better at defending.

 

[SirBobbysCombover]

The philosophy this evening seemed to be to play l like the Arse circa 06-14, without trying to sound like Alan Hansen, zero composure, no penetration, defensively shocking.

 

[LeChuck]

Clearly never played sport in your life have you? When you're leaning forward and running as fast as possible it's a much easier option to do that, all footballers do it.

If you don't understand what I'm saying, watch the footage again.

That's absolute bullshit and nonsense. It was a dive. He should have gone down outside the box, if at all.

 

[Tincanalley]

What an attention-seeking ... ref.

I didn't think he dived. funny thing, when Welbeck when down easy in the first half, the ref just let play go on. I guess that wasn't considered embellishment.

I was okay with the ref until he decided not to give Bellerin a second yellow and then decided to not show the same leniency the other way. I don't mind the ref being forgiven, but at least he should grant it to both sides.

I don't agree with every point you make @darko, but I think you have stumbled on a critical point. Honestly, the ref, in the second half, seemed to be out to prove a point. I don't so much know about the booking for Januzaj, but the sending off of Di Maria was gratuitous. He didn't dive, and he didn't assault or interfere with the ref in a way that deserved censure. Will be interesting to see what United/The FA make of this in the cold light of day.

 

[FlapR]

That's absolute bullshit and nonsense. It was a dive. He should have gone down outside the box, if at all.

Watch the footage, you clearly don't understand sport what so ever.

 

[LeChuck]

Watch the footage, you clearly don't understand sport what so ever.

I understand physics, and I understand nonsensical bullshit aswell. You're an idiot if you actually believe what you said.

 

[Stookie]

What a shitter. Ref has had a shocker. Fair enough you can't put your hands on the ref but if he'd reffed the game evenly then things like that don't happen. Arse player dives on edge of box, free kick to arse, dm dives gets booked. II'm all for getting rid of diving but surely both teams have to have the same punishment. And why didn't he book that arse player shortly before he was subbed?

 

[darko]

They've taken the piss out of our right hand side since their goal - and it's worked almost every time. If we had a proper defensively minded RB neither goals would have been scored.

We should have put rafa on or moved anyone else to the right back spot.

This loss us even more frustrating because we lost due to two stupid mistakes and everyone on tv is a united hater. All of em are loving it!

A pass back has done us over.

Great!

I don't know why you are blaming Valencia for the first goal. Smailling was caught out and Valencia rightly took up his place at CB. Smalling is at fault because he decided to go and join the crowd. He should have taken the open man (Monreal). After that, Di Maria saw what happened and decided it wasn't worth the effort to mark Monreal and he was gifted a glorious chance to score.

 

[Tincanalley]

I understand physics, and I understand nonsensical bullshit aswell. You're an idiot if you actually believe what you said.

Personal abuse is not cool. It's especially stupid when we lose. Get over yourself, @Uzz

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Pretty much deserved the loss after the HT changes (Shaw better be injured) Herrera for Carrick was kinda understandable but our rhythm just seemed all out after a delightfully refreshing first half showing that should be the model for our, now undisturbed, shot at 3rd place.

I can even (sort of) understand Welbeck's celebration on reflection (although he's still a traitorous cnut he's not worth my ire) but what I really found hard to stomach was Danny "biased as feck" Murphy's smarmy, "I told you so" BBC comm!

 

[darko]

What a shitter. Ref has had a shocker. Fair enough you can't put your hands on the ref but if he'd reffed the game evenly then things like that don't happen. Arse player dives on edge of box, free kick to arse, dm dives gets booked. II'm all for getting rid of diving but surely both teams have to have the same punishment. And why didn't he book that arse player shortly before he was subbed?

He could have easily sent Bellerin off with a second yellow. This ref had a crap game on Saturday between QPR and Spurs.

 

[Shark]

Self sabotage from us. Arsenal didn't even have to turn up.

 

[minoo-utd]

They couldn't have made any more cockups with Herrera on than they managed without him. The manager taking him off, if he isn't ill or injured has to take a lot of the blame for this. I wonder how Rooney is feeling. He must be sick to the stomach.

Can you imagine if we lost to Spurs after this as well.

Ahh no please no one wants to imagine that.

 

[FlapR]

I understand physics, and I understand nonsensical bullshit aswell. You're an idiot if you actually believe what you said.

Right so how can you say coming to a stop and turning around is easier in that situation? Players do it all the time, all over the pitch.

I'm an idiot because I understand sport and you don't? Watch the footage again, Januzaj doesn't appeal for anything and is getting back up ready to get back in position.

 

[LeChuck]

Right so how can you say coming to a stop and turning around is easier in that situation? Players do it all the time, all over the pitch.

I'm an idiot because I understand sport and you don't? Watch the footage again, Januzaj doesn't appeal for anything and is getting back up ready to get back in position.

I'll try and explain this as best as I can.

If you're running full pelt, throwing yourself to the ground at that velocity isn't the best way to stop. In fact, it's more likely to injure you. Also, it's stupid, and it expends more energy.

Slowing down and coming to a stop is the natural and easiest thing to do. How you can't understand this, I just don't know. But whatever you were saying earlier is just plain wrong.

 

[shabadu84]

Overly conservative subs at halftime, stupid continued reliance on a converted winger at RB, shit ref, and just a complete mental breakdown. Frustrating, annoying, and worrying

 

[Tincanalley]

They couldn't have made any more cockups with Herrera on than they managed without him. The manager taking him off, if he isn't ill or injured has to take a lot of the blame for this. I wonder how Rooney is feeling. He must be sick to the stomach. Can you imagine if we lost to Spurs after this as well.

Ahh no please no one wants to imagine that.

The whole point of being a supporter is to be an optimist, DT. We will smash Spurs.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

I'll try and explain this as best as I can.

If you're running full pelt, throwing yourself to the ground at that velocity isn't the best way to stop. In fact, it's more likely to injure you. Also, it's stupid, and it expends more energy.

Slowing down and coming to a stop is the natural and easiest thing to do. How you can't understand this, I just don't know. But whatever you were saying earlier is just plain wrong.

But are you factoring the "Belgian" into all of this?
EDIT: Hadn't really emphasised Belgian enough for my liking!

 

[The Hacker]

I don't know why you are blaming Valencia for the first goal. Smailling was caught out and Valencia rightly took up his place at CB. Smalling is at fault because he decided to go and join the crowd. He should have taken the open man (Monreal). After that, Di Maria saw what happened and decided it wasn't worth the effort to mark Monreal and he was gifted a glorious chance to score.

Ok, so Valencia wasn't totally at fault for the first, but don't you think they exploited our right side all evening? We are weak in that position, weaker than in the middle and that's saying something when jones is on the pitch!

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The whole point of being a supporter is to be an optimist, DT. We will smash Spurs.

I am still crying about this game, so no optimism yet.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The press are definitely after him now. Stupid press only asked about bloody Welbeck and not the substitutions.

 

[Tincanalley]

I am still crying about this game, so no optimism yet.

Come on, it's all to play for; I'll remind you of tonight one evening not too far in the future. Goodnight, sleep tight.

 

[darko]

The worse thing about this is the papers tomorrow. No doubt sticking it to us about Welbz - who wouldn't have scored had it not been for Valencia being an idiot. If I were in charge of payroll, both Valencia and DiMaria would be fined one month's wages.

You can't fine Valencia for that. hahaha

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

The press are definitely after him now. Stupid press only asked about bloody Welbeck and not the substitutions.

What happened in the post match interviews, didn't get to see them? Is there a post match thread?

 

[darko]

The first Arsenal goal. Just follow #12 Chris Smalling. Then watch DiMaria's lack of reaction.

 

[Eboue]

The press are definitely after him now. Stupid press only asked about bloody Welbeck and not the substitutions.

Sounds like they are giving him a break then.

 

[Tincanalley]

I am off to somewhere more fruitful, hopefully, but listen guys don't start getting on Valencia's case. He put in a good effort, and anyone can make a mistake. Love y'all.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Come on, it's all to play for; I'll remind you of tonight one evening not too far in the future. Goodnight, sleep tight.

I will try.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Sounds like they are giving him a break then.

They latched on to Danny scoring for you like a dog with a bone and forgot about the changes he made at HT.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

The first Arsenal goal. Just follow #12 Chris Smalling. Then watch DiMaria's lack of reaction.

That's decided then … feck Danny Murphy, I'm watching all games in Russian from now on!

 

[LeChuck]

But are you factoring the "Belgian" into all of this?
EDIT: Hadn't really emphasised Belgian enough for my liking!

Next time I'm on the treadmill or I'm going to give @FlapR 's theory a test run and launch myself to the floor.