First, there was a false no. 9.
Now LVG says that Mata played as a false winger.
What's next? False goalkeeper?
Now LVG says that Mata played as a false winger.
What's next? False goalkeeper?
'False' positions
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We already have a false goalkeeper. His name is Tim Howard.
Mata is apparently playing as a false right winger according to LvG.
Someone will have to explain that too me.
Someone will have to explain that too me.
It's not something he invented. The expression has been brandied around before. And makes sense. That's exactly what I used to call James Rodriguez at Porto.
I think he means wide playmaker, maybe it's just his english.
Not saying he invented it at all but I don't understand that term.
How about Angel di Maria as the false central midfielder at Real Madrid and with us at times?
Can't even make a joke about Young and Valencia being false wingers anymore
I think that's probably it tbh. Pretty similar to the role Iniesta has played for Spain and Barcelona except that he started from left?
I guess you could call Valencia a false RB; he hasn't been terrible there though...
It's used for players who are deployed on the wing but don't play as wingers (cross / cut inside and shoot). James used to wander around our right wing, but played mostly as a midfielder, moving around towards the centre and making small passes and openings.
That's not because they're "wrong-footed". Hulk was left-footed on the right but he played pretty much like a goal-scoring winger, he either hugged the line and tried to assist or would cut in and go for goal. We call these inverted wingers usually.
Don't forget David Silva playing like this on the right as well whenever Milner or Nasri played on the left.
I'm also inclined to saying full backs nowadays are more so wingers than full backs, so I'd brand them as "false" full backs, but that'd be me clutching at straws.
Probably just like false nine, the player who's playing as a false winger isn't occupying the position in the traditional sense, meaning he's moving out of position a lot or not taking up the position as much as normal winger would. It's just a fancy name and it's nonsense or unnecessary for me.
As I said in his thread, Fellaini is currently playing some false left winger, false 10, false box-to-box midfielder, position/hybrid...
Mata has been playing as a 'false winger' for about 80 percent of his career. Even at Chelsea he mostly played from the left or right.
The terminology has become a bit wanky these days. A false 9 was a fair description for Totti at Roma or Messi when Guardiola first moved him inside. But in some quarters - some of the tactical blogs are notorious for it - it has been extended to cover most lone front-men who do a bit more than the typical poacher. And the false winger is rarely any different than the inside-left/right, a term which has been in use for decades.
Mata playing as a false winger as Van Gaal called it is basically how Silva is always played at City . He's not a winger, but starts wide and then has license to roam inside. That's how many of us hoped he'd work out as well, just we never played in a proper system that enabled him to thrive there until now.
A false centre half.
How come Ibnu isn't a mod yet?
Moyes done it for years at Everton with Pienaar and Osman.
It was beautiful too, i must add
Jon Walters is a false footballer.
This. False winger, inside right, inverted-winger, wide playmaker, it's all the same.
It was at times I agree. We have badly missed them 2 this season, more than I thought we ever would.
Gerrard was yesterday a false midfielder.
Anderson and Cleverley were false players.
Anderson and Cleverley were false players.
That's quite harsh
Beckham was a false right wingerFirst, there was a false no. 9.
Now LVG says that Mata played as a false winger.
What's next? False goalkeeper?
You have my sympathy
Possibly true. He does value hardwork, individualism etc and is always looking to expand his enormous wealth, but he seems like a real nice guy so I bet he's actually a bit of a socialist at heart.
'False' just generally seems to imply a nominal position rather than the actual location a player will tend to operate on the field. False 9's drop into the midfield rather than leading the line like a traditional #9 would, and a 'false winger' will drift in off the line, rather than staying wide and stretching the play (see Silva, Iniesta, Nasri, Mata, Valbuena, James Rodriguez etc).
While no expert like the Caf it showed yesterday Mata was hugging the touchline but then kept moving inside which gave Moreno a problem as he didn't know whether to go with Mata or stay in position as Valencia was on the overlap. It also lets Mata get on thhe ball and create. Also tracked back well.
Good tactics from Van Gaal to allow Mata the freedom as him and Herrera's link up play is orgasmic.
Good tactics from Van Gaal to allow Mata the freedom as him and Herrera's link up play is orgasmic.
Don't forget Moyes and his false CB, when he was playing Carrcik as a CB, but switching with Fellaini for set pieces and such.
I don't think there's really any distinction between a 'wide playmaker' and a 'false winger' - I imagine both are used to designate a player who drifts in off the line and operates primarily in central positions. An 'inverted winger' is I think meant to describe a player who tends to operate as a traditional winger would (eg staying wide, direct running, stretching the play, looking to put plenty of crosses in), although they operate on the opposite wing to their strongest foot, so will have a tendency to cut inside at the last minute rather than always rounding the opposition fullback - eg Ashley Young. As I understand it an 'inside forward' starts wide and makes darting runs into the channels, and they are primarily goal scorers rather than creative players like playmakers or wingers (eg Pedro, Griezmann).
I agree in general these are fairly meaningless distinctions though, and all this terminology has the unfortunate effect of over-intellectualising the game, which is both needless and dull.
Christopher Hitchens was a false right winger, even though he supported the wars on terror.
Advanced playmaker or Inside forward out on the wing. #FMTalk
Claude Makelele....
"False" whatever was something I heard a lot when I lived in Spain. It basically implies tactical and positional fluidity. Mata nominally starts on the right wing, but has the freedom to cut inside, drift to the other side of the field, or stay out wide. Messi is the most famous "false" anything with his owning of the false 9 position. A center forward who isn't a traditional center forward. He might lead the line and make runs in behind, just as likely as he is to drop deep or wide and run at defenders. The Spanish and continentals in general use the shirt number system to define roles in the team. Messi's position in the team was as a 9, but he didn't play like one. Hence the "false" bit.