Players we've not pursued or said no to

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So I saw the below post and it got me thinking...

I was so looking forward to this window but its all gone a bit shit with all our 'targets' turning us down. I hope we have some super secret ones that no one knows about.
At least we already have Depay which i'm more than happy about.

Whilst I disagree that everyone is turning us down, I would like to see what everyone thought about the players we've turned down or not pursued...

Which players, that have been available, in the past decade would have made the biggest impact on our team today and potentially have solved a lot of key squad issues we face today.
Feel free to bring up players earlier than this if anyone springs to mind, Ronaldinho for example.

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Most recently, the players that spring to mind have to be Kroos & Fabregas. First of all, both are top class CM's which we have been, and still are, desperate for. Also, both players changed teams for lower prices than anticipated due to the fact no other teams were apparently interested in signing them.

Kroos £24M
Fabregas £26M

I believe if we would have pursued one of the two of them and really went hard to bring them to United, we'd be a MUCH stronger team for it.
 
LVG didn't want Fabregas and Kroos so they didn't turn us down.

Hazard and Moura turned us down, maybe Thiago, but God knows if we made a bid as the Moyes summer was really horrible, just remember Herrera, Benzema also went to Real (I am not talking about young players who were not close to be ready for the first team, as they have different reasons for choosing clubs - Bale, Walcott, Ramsey.....).

I am also not sure about Sanchez.

Before Robben and Essien.

I know it's not exactly the subject but I do think that's the only important thing, as Fabregas and Kroos were not wanted so I don't see how they really would improve us long term (look at di Maria - the player has to be the right player for a the manager).
 
LVG didn't want Fabregas and Kroos so they didn't turn us down.

Hazard and Moura turned us down, maybe Thiago, but God knows if we made a bid as the Moyes summer was really horrible, just remember Herrera, Benzema also went to Real (I am not talking about young players who were not close to be ready for the first team, as they have different reasons for choosing clubs - Bale, Walcott, Ramsey.....).

I am also not sure about Sanchez.

Before Robben and Essien.

I know it's not exactly the subject but I do think that's the only important thing, as Fabregas and Kroos were not wanted so I don't see how they really would improve us long term (look at di Maria - the player has to be the right player for a the manager).
No I know, the point i'm raising is both Kroos & Fabregas were available and if LvG would have given then go ahead, I think there's a strong possibility we'd have signed them.

IMO they would have made a big impact here. Fabregas at the start of the season was huge for Chelsea, they wouldn't have won the league so easily without him, that's a fact. Not saying we'd have won the league with him but we'd be a hell of a lot closer, especially how well he started the season and how poor we started the season. We got 13 points from 10 games, missing out on 17 points... I'm confident if we'd have signed Fabregas and started him in CM instead of Blind while Carrick was out, we'd have eaten up a a good chunk of those 17 points.
 
Marcos Senna :(

wikipedia said:
In the summer of 2006, Senna almost joined Manchester United: he had one year left on his contract, and Villarreal were prepared to sell him for a fee of around £4 million.[1][2] However, the deal was put on hold while United pursued Owen Hargreaves, but FC Bayern Munich refused to sell their player and, when United returned with a bid for Senna on transfer deadline day, Villarreal rejected their advances;[3] he had become frustrated with the delays to his proposed move and decided to stay at Villarreal, signing a three-year extension shortly after the transfer window closed.[4][5][6]

Senna was a terrific midfielder who virtually never got injured and at that price would have represented an incredible bargain. Instead we spent far more the following summer for a player with tendinities in both knees who didn't even make 50 appearances before we released him on a free.
 
LVG didn't want Fabregas and Kroos so they didn't turn us down.

Hazard and Moura turned us down, maybe Thiago, but God knows if we made a bid as the Moyes summer was really horrible, just remember Herrera, Benzema also went to Real (I am not talking about young players who were not close to be ready for the first team, as they have different reasons for choosing clubs - Bale, Walcott, Ramsey.....).

I am also not sure about Sanchez.

Before Robben and Essien.

I know it's not exactly the subject but I do think that's the only important thing, as Fabregas and Kroos were not wanted so I don't see how they really would improve us long term (look at di Maria - the player has to be the right player for a the manager).

I refuse to believe that.
 
Summer 2013
Fergie wanted Thiago, Moyes didn't
Moyes wanted Fabregas, he didn't want to leave/Barca didn't want to sell

Summer 2014
Moyes wanted Kroos, LVG didn't

That's my interpretation of what's happened, the changing of manager has essentially been the cause of missing out on several targets
 
Vidal moving from Leverkusen, definitely. Wasn't it only €8m or something?

Also there was loads of hype around Gundogan when he joined Dortmund from Nurnberg, and I seem to remember loads of articles linking us with him but nothing seems to have any sort of credibility.
 
Marcos Senna :(



Senna was a terrific midfielder who virtually never got injured and at that price would have represented an incredible bargain. Instead we spent far more the following summer for a player with tendinities in both knees who didn't even make 50 appearances before we released him on a free.
We wouldn't have won the Champions League in 08 if it wasn't for him... :smirk:
 
Mesut Ozil.
 
No I know, the point i'm raising is both Kroos & Fabregas were available and if LvG would have given then go ahead, I think there's a strong possibility we'd have signed them.

IMO they would have made a big impact here. Fabregas at the start of the season was huge for Chelsea, they wouldn't have won the league so easily without him, that's a fact. Not saying we'd have won the league with him but we'd be a hell of a lot closer, especially how well he started the season and how poor we started the season. We got 13 points from 10 games, missing out on 17 points... I'm confident if we'd have signed Fabregas and started him in CM instead of Blind while Carrick was out, we'd have eaten up a a good chunk of those 17 points.

You think Toni Kroos would have chosen United (after their worst season in recent memory and with no European football) ahead of European champions Real Madrid?
 
I was irritated that we seemingly allowed David Silva to go to City while we sold our best player. He was so very obviously brilliant.

Alas, value in the the market...
 
Totally agree with the Kroos and Cesc statements - still baffled why (if) we weren't going all-out for them - absolute top drawer midfielders, so obvious.
 
Summer 2013
Fergie wanted Thiago, Moyes didn't
Moyes wanted Fabregas, he didn't want to leave/Barca didn't want to sell

Summer 2014
Moyes wanted Kroos, LVG didn't

That's my interpretation of what's happened, the changing of manager has essentially been the cause of missing out on several targets

About Kroos
I still think it is both sided. LVG was not very keen on Kroos and vice versa. And - Real Madrid came in.

From the moment LVG was talked as new United coach I knew that Kroos was not going to United. I cannot even pin it down so much on words any of them spoke. More even on the words they did not - or the words they talked when others were concerned. And I even think that that was more from Kroos' direction than from van Gaal.
 
What makes you think Kroos would've chosen United over Real and Bayern?
 
I was irritated that we seemingly allowed David Silva to go to City while we sold our best player. He was so very obviously brilliant.

Alas, value in the the market...
We went for him either in 2008 or 2009 and had a £20m bid rejected. I was surprised we never went back in for him once he was open to a non-Madrid/Barca move. Particularly after we sold Ronaldo too, we needed game-changers.
 
There are two categories of players here really.

Players who went to a big club anyway for a good fee but we really should have pursued more aggressively.Hazard,Benzema,Modric,Fabregas,Sanchez,Kroos,Thiago etc. come into this category.All went to big clubs,however if we showed serious interest we could have got a few of them at least.All would improved us massively.

The other category are players that moved on the cheap,wern't wanted by their clubs etc.Robben,Sneijder,Vidal,Strootman,Garay etc. come into this category.

I have a feeling that we'll be adding quite a few more to the second list this summer.The likes of Xhaka,Schniederlin,Darmian,Vietto etc. would not cost a bomb and would really improve us but there doesn't seem to be any interest from us at the moment.
 
We let John Obi Mikel just slip right through our fingers :(:(:(
 
the Moyes summer was really horrible, just remember Herrera, Benzema also went to Real

Benzema went to Real in '09, the summer we lost Ronaldo. We should have gone for Benzema then, we needed that type of striker. That was when SAF was in full value mode, he said the price was too much but who knows if that was the real reason or if Benzema just preferred Real and SAF was saving face.

I guess you meant Bale though, but he clearly wanted the Madrid move and Levy wasn't keen on selling to another PL side.
 
We made a mess of the Robben move, but didn't he or his dad say something like they'd rejected us for Cheslea?

Were we in for Essien when he went to Cheslea? We had had him on trial at least before Roman turned-up, but did we make a move for him when he went there?
 
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Benzema went to Real in '09, the summer we lost Ronaldo. We should have gone for Benzema then, we needed that type of striker. That was when SAF was in full value mode, he said the price was too much but who knows if that was the real reason or if Benzema just preferred Real and SAF was saving face.

I guess you meant Bale though, but he clearly wanted the Madrid move and Levy wasn't keen on selling to another PL side.

We went for Benzema, Lyon even rejected a better offer because they had an agreement with Benzema.
 
Eden Hazard
Lucas Moura
Peter Cech (in 2001) 19 years then and Sir Alex decided he was too young.( This miscalculation lead to the bid of De Gea years later after Sir Alex decided that if you have the talent you can play).
 
I don't understand why we weren't in for Fabregas or Sanchez this season. Whether they wanted to come to us or not is a different matter but if Di Maria and Falcao came to us without CL footy, I'm not sure why they wouldn't either.
 
Summer 2013
Fergie wanted Thiago, Moyes didn't
Moyes wanted Fabregas, he didn't want to leave/Barca didn't want to sell

Summer 2014
Moyes wanted Kroos, LVG didn't

That's my interpretation of what's happened, the changing of manager has essentially been the cause of missing out on several targets

Exactly this
 
We went for Benzema, Lyon even rejected a better offer because they had an agreement with Benzema.

You could be right but Ferguson is quoted as suggesting we could have signed him if we had paid more but he thought it was too much. If that was the case then it was a missed opportunity I think, but there's usually conflicting statements with transfers so I don't know what to believe most of the time.

The SAF quotes btw:
Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...to-blow-Manchester-Uniteds-transfer-fund.html
Goal - http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/engla...guson-manchester-united-tried-to-sign-benzema
 
It's a surprise Benzema has lasted as long as long as he has at Real, given his goal return had he came here I'm pretty sure he'd of been upgraded upon a long time ago
 
You could be right but Ferguson is quoted as suggesting we could have signed him if we had paid more but he thought it was too much. If that was the case then it was a missed opportunity I think, but there's usually conflicting statements with transfers so I don't know what to believe most of the time.

The SAF quotes btw:
Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...to-blow-Manchester-Uniteds-transfer-fund.html
Goal - http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/engla...guson-manchester-united-tried-to-sign-benzema

Ferguson is wrong or lying because Benzema is a Real Madrid fan and he had an agreement with Lyon for a transfer to Madrid, more money would have changed nothing.
 
Benzema went to Real in '09, the summer we lost Ronaldo. We should have gone for Benzema then, we needed that type of striker. That was when SAF was in full value mode, he said the price was too much but who knows if that was the real reason or if Benzema just preferred Real and SAF was saving face.

I guess you meant Bale though, but he clearly wanted the Madrid move and Levy wasn't keen on selling to another PL side.

I know when Benzema left for Real :D, Benzema was only mention as a player we couldn't get, wasn't related to Moyes.

I didn't mean Bale :).
 
In the third of our four-part series to celebrate Sir Alex Ferguson's 21 years at the Old Trafford helm we look at the ones who got away.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...otball-news/ferguson-21-that-got-away-1010300

The Reds boss has signed some gems in his time, but here is a selection of the players he missed out on.

21: John Hartson - Not a Ferguson target, but might well have ended up at United had Brian Kidd and Martin Edwards got their way. After Arsenal's slick football had seen them move into the ascendancy in 1998, the direct style of Hartson was deemed United's best response. Ferguson baulked at the suggestion - quashing the move, signing Dwight Yorke and winning the treble.

20: Jon Obi Mikel - United made the best part of £8m on the Nigerian who never played a single game for the club. But the £16m Chelsea paid to resolve the controversial midfielder's contract dispute might still end up looking a bargain.

19: David Ginola - Despite winning the title at a canter in 2000 and 2001, Ferguson thought Ginola - then nearing the twilight of his career at Tottenham - could add some guile to United in Europe.

18: Terry Butcher - Though Ferguson didn't try to sign him at United, one of the first questions he asked when arriving at Old Trafford in 86 was why the England defender had been allowed to leave Ipswich for Rangers earlier that year.

17: Laurent Blanc - The languid French defender eventually signed in 2001 - but at 36 he was a shadow of the player he'd been throughout his career. Ferguson tried and failed a number of times to get him at his peak, which explains why he was so desperate to bring him to Old Trafford even when he was so clearly past his best.

16: David Hirst - In 92 Hirst was as sought-after as Alan Shearer and one of the two strikers Ferguson had identified as being capable of firing United to the title. But whereas Southampton welcomed offers for Shearer, Sheffield Wednesday simply wouldn't budge over Hirst. Given his subsequent injuries, it's probably just as well.

15: Paolo Di Canio - With United's bid for a fourth successive title in 2002 faltering - Ferguson moved to freshen up his attack. He signed Diego Forlan, but thought controversial Italian Di Canio would give his side an extra dimension. His failure to offload Yorke, ultimately meant he had to shelve plans for the West Ham man.

14: Brian Laudrup - When Eric Cantona hung up his boots in 97, Laudrup was seen as the perfect replacement following his outstanding performances for Rangers. With the move south of the border all but sealed, the Dane decided stay in Scotland for another year, prompting United to turn their attentions to Teddy Sheringham.

13: Matt Le Tissier - The move that never was. The Southampton talisman's maverick abilities meant he was long seen as the natural successor to Eric Cantona, but ended up spending his entire career at the Dell.

12: Patrick Kluivert - After seeing Arsenal overtake United in 98, Ferguson set his sights on adding firepower. He targeted Yorke and Kluivert. In the end he had to settle for Yorke, whose partnership with Andy Cole spearheaded the treble success the following season.

11: Arjen Robben - The flying Dutchman's move to United was all but sealed midway through the 2003-4 season as Ferguson began building his latest generation at Old Trafford. But disputes over his price allowed Chelsea to steal in for the electric winger, who would go on to star in their title-winning campaign the following season.

10: Marcello Salas - After extensive scouting by Martin Ferguson in 97, United looked all set to move for the then unknown Chilean striker, who would be eligible to play in the second half of that season's Champions' League campaign. But with Cole and Sheringham filling their boots at the time and United looking set to win a third successive title at a canter, Ferguson could not justify the move to the Old Trafford board. Soon after the goals dried up, United limped out of Europe and relinquished the title to Arsenal to prompt a frantic summer search for a new hit man.

9: Mick Harford - Most United fans would hardly consider the lanky striker, who spent the best part of his career at Luton, much of a loss. But Ferguson believes he would have been the difference between winning and losing the title to Leeds in 92.

8: Stan Collymore - Midway through the 94-95 season Ferguson wanted to freshen up a strike force that had led United to back-to-back titles and identified Collymore (below) as the man. But when he tried to negotiate a deal with Nottingham Forest, Frank Clark refused to take his calls. He ended up moving on to his second choice, Andy Cole, who went on to score 121 goals for the club - winning eight major trophies.

7: Alan Shearer - Ferguson first tried to sign Shearer when he was a precocious goal scorer at Southampton in 92. Fresh from allowing Leeds to pip United to the title, he was looking for a prolific striker to play off Mark Hughes and Brian McClair. But deterred by Shearer's apparent preoccupation with money, the forward went on to sign for Blackburn for a British transfer record £3.6m. It turned out not to be such a loss with Cantona signing a few months later.

6: Peter Beardsley - Ferguson wanted to sign the Newcastle forward, who had once been at United on loan, when beginning his rebuilding of United in 87, but baulked at the £3m asking price. So it was understandable that he was so infuriated when Beardsley went to Liverpool for £1.9m that same year.

5: John Barnes - Then at Watford, Barnes was generally accepted as one of the country's finest talents. Ferguson though had already committed Jesper Olsen to a long-term deal and opted against pursuing his interest in the winger, who went on to become a pivotal part of Liverpool's title-winning sides of 88 and 90. He later admitted that was one of his greatest regrets.

4: Zinedine Zidane - Ferguson thought long and hard about making a move for the Gallic genius when he was a little-known playmaker at Bordeaux. But doubts about how to incorporate him in a team that already included Cantona convinced him to pass up the opportunity.

3: Ronaldinho - Having sold David Beckham to Real Madrid in the summer of 2003, Ferguson was looking for a new icon for his team and was determined to land the brilliant Brazilian Ronaldinho. But despite being at the front of the queue for the Paris St Germain playmaker, United somehow conspired to blow the deal, allowing Barcelona to snap him up and promptly return to the summit of European football.

2: Paul Gascoigne - Ferguson went on holiday in 88 believing he'd secured the signing of the most exciting English talent in recent memory. Relaxing by the hotel pool, a message over the tannoy told him he had a phone call. It was Martin Edwards. Gascoigne had just signed for Tottenham.

1: Alan Shearer - After being burned once over the England hit man, Ferguson was certain he'd get his man when going back in for Shearer in 96. The striker had starred at Euro 96, while United were on the back of their second double in three years. It looked like the perfect match. Shearer, though, threw a spanner in the works when signing for Newcastle for a world record £15m. United still went on to win the title.
 
Ronaldinho will always be the one that irritates me because we lost out over a couple of million pounds. Should have signed him.

On the other hand, we did sign Ronaldo that year, who's to say we would have signed both? Imagine a team with the two of them in it, though -- ridiculous flair (young Ronaldo was like Ronaldinho-light).
 
Ronaldinho will always be the one that irritates me because we lost out over a couple of million pounds. Should have signed him.

Him and Shearer. Shearer would have been a fantastic addition to that side and he'd have ended his career with a bagful of medals.

Edit: And Gazza too.
 
We definitely should have picked up Messi before Barca did he was available for peanuts, big mistake from Fergie there.
 
It was reported we turned down James Rodriguez for 5m in 2010 - but the reports only came out when he joined Real Madrid.
 
We had him!

Does Pogba count then?
I was joking, he wasn't exactly a loss. But yeah, we signed him and he left to Chelsea straight away, didn't he?

We had Pogba much longer...