So say TV3's commentators... Are they fecking mental?
"That was a great last ditch tackle"
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Don't know, didn't really see the one replay. In real time on our little kitchen tv I thought he may have got the ball.
TV3? Enough said.
Shaw kicked the ball against him from what I've seen.
He came in full force with both feet off the ground it was a clear red card.
Saw a replay and it's an honest tackle but it's reckless. Moreno apparently broke his leg last year so I don't think he'd go in to do similar to another player.
It's a shit tackle, no need for it. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't have a fecking clue. Red card.
Our team lacks bite and a leader even more so under LVG.
They just stood there and accepted it and since then the injury has affected them.
They should have reacted to defend their teammate in referees and moreno's face. LVG should have been instigating a riot too on the sidelines.
They just stood there and accepted it and since then the injury has affected them.
They should have reacted to defend their teammate in referees and moreno's face. LVG should have been instigating a riot too on the sidelines.
Yeah, just seen again, and that's a red card in today's game. Excessive force. Not that he meant to break his leg or anything, mind.
wasn't malicious i don't think, just wreckless and clumsy as feck.
I hope he gets a great last ditch tackle to his face.
Don't think it was that bad to be honest, Shaw is just incredibly unlucky not to have gotten off the ground in time. If Shaw gets his studs up, everyone says what an essential, last-gasp tackle it was.
Defenders always hurl themselves at attackers are they're about to shoot, it's almost surprising that kind of thing doesn't happen more often.
Defenders always hurl themselves at attackers are they're about to shoot, it's almost surprising that kind of thing doesn't happen more often.
Now the cnuts scored. Shouldn't be on the pitch.
remember v Chelsea that year, when Cole absolutely launched himself into Chico after he'd shot, completely smashing him?
Looked a horrible challenge to me, but I've only seen it once. Can't bring myself to look at the replay.
I'm surprised too that Luke wasn't just swept off the ground - the trailing leg came in high and caught him mid-leg. Would a more experienced attacking player have seen the danger and jumped over?
Bad tackle but plenty of worse go by without any damage, Shaw was unlucky. Certainly wasn't deliberate by the defender.
I don't like what the tackler was doing with his left leg as he cleans Shaw out but huge element of very bad luck, obv. Highly reckless but these 'last ditch' usually are.
come on people, it was a good tackle idk what you guys are seeing. Very good tackle but awful outcome.
EDIT: OK looking at it again his left leg comes in at a strange angle, but he still gets the ball. The tackle could have been cleaner and maybe it was Luke wouldn't have been injured
EDIT: OK looking at it again his left leg comes in at a strange angle, but he still gets the ball. The tackle could have been cleaner and maybe it was Luke wouldn't have been injured
I don't think anyone would be asking for a red card/pen if Shaw hadn't been injured. Moreno got the ball and hit Shaw on the follow-through, happens thousands of times without any issue. It was just extremely unlucky.
I don't think it was malicious and you could see by his reaction that he was gutted about it, so all the hysteria over him in the match day forum is pretty shameful, but it should've been a red.
Come on people. Even if he gets the ball, it's the follow through.
It's a terrible tackle.
It's a terrible tackle.
He didn't get the ball, Shaw kicked it against him. Besides, that has nothing to do with the law of the game. Excessive force doesn't count if you get the ball, excessive force is what it says.come on people, it was a good tackle idk what you guys are seeing. Very good tackle but awful outcome.
EDIT: OK looking at it again his left leg comes in at a strange angle, but he still gets the ball. The tackle could have been cleaner and maybe it was Luke wouldn't have been injured
It's a shocking challenge whether he breaks his leg or not.
FIFA laws of misconduct
"Any player who lunges at an opponent when challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent, is guilty of serious foul play"
Nothing anywhere about "getting the ball" that's a myth of a rule.
"Any player who lunges at an opponent when challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent, is guilty of serious foul play"
Nothing anywhere about "getting the ball" that's a myth of a rule.
In real time I thought it was a penalty. On replay (the only one I have see ) I thought the tackle was okay and that he got the ball and his back leg went through the player from the side
At first it seems like a well timed, hard but fair tackle but after viewing it a good few times it just looks worse every time. Malicious it may not be but it's a very hard challenge and it looks as if it's the trailing leg from the slide that does the damage!come on people, it was a good tackle idk what you guys are seeing. Very good tackle but awful outcome.
EDIT: OK looking at it again his left leg comes in at a strange angle, but he still gets the ball. The tackle could have been cleaner and maybe it was Luke wouldn't have been injured
The follow through with the second leg was really clumsy, which made the impact with Shaw´s leg so high and unlucky.
You could see it on the player face when Shaw hit the ground, that there was never a bad intention about it, though. He looked completely shell shocked.
You could see it on the player face when Shaw hit the ground, that there was never a bad intention about it, though. He looked completely shell shocked.
He didn't. Shaw kicked it against him, and even if he won the ball, it's not in the rules. Excessive force is the only rule.
Yep, looked gutted later on when he scored. The guys a cnut.
If Keane, Robson or Neville were still playing, no way Moreno leaves the pitch walking.
Don't think he's gone in to hurt him but it's an awful challenge. Hes gone in on a player at full pace and chopped him down with almost a scissor action. Very unnecessary and reckless.
Indeed, but at some point you can have a fair tackle that causes injury.
I didn't say it was in the rules, just that is what I thought I saw.
Just seeing the replay again, definite redcard. He Pincer's Shaw's leg which is a pretty standard leg breaker, and a pretty standard red card.
Sorry, but it's a clear red every time in today's game. Getting the ball is neither here nor there if you leave the ground and go straight through the man with your trailing leg.come on people, it was a good tackle idk what you guys are seeing. Very good tackle but awful outcome.
EDIT: OK looking at it again his left leg comes in at a strange angle, but he still gets the ball. The tackle could have been cleaner and maybe it was Luke wouldn't have been injured
You cannot call it shameful Cina. When fans see a hugely talented youngster - playing as well as Shaw has been and looking like he would actually fulfill his potential - getting injured that way which could possibly be a career redefining injury, they will get hysterical. Anyone who can stay calm after that needs an applause because that is generally not how normal people react.
He's obviously going to anticipate the ball being further from that of when he started making the tackle. He get's the ball, he stopped the ball from going further and if it wasn't for that left leg coming in horribly you would say he got the ball cleanly.
Wasn't malicious and looked clean on the first viewing. Reminded me of the McNair tackle on Wilshere last season that broke Jack's ankle.
Don't think he went in with the intention of hurting Shaw, but it was a fcking reckless tackle to dive in like that.
I thought it was fine in real time and just unfortunate. After watching the replay it was a horrible technique. He still gets the ball but I hadn't realised that within the rules it should have still been a red. According to what they've just said on BT anyway.
I'm as devastated as anyone but it doesn't make me wish Moreno gets an injury, or someone kicks the shit out of him, or whatever else is being said.