The Double draft - R1: harms vs Cal

Who will win the match?


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.................................. TEAM HARMS ............................................................................... TEAM CAL ............................................


TEAM HARMS

A classic 4-3-3 which suites my players best. My team will have energetic, positive approach on the ball, we have a obvious star player and an impressive supporting cast in the likes of Suarez, Seeler and Cafu who are one of the greatest ever themselves but who are happy to allow Messi the absolute freedom he deserves.


Unlike some teams in this draft we have a keeper that belongs in the very best tier - and, what’s also important to me, Sepp Maier was an interesting character with the same calculated craziness as Neuer and Schmeichel had.

For this game Roberto Perfumo takes Koeman’s place to deal with Cal’s big man up front, be it Ibra or Drogba. One of the greatest defenders ever, Hector Chumpitaz will be the captain of that team, responsible for organizing and commanding the defensive unit. Patrice Evra at his peak was an amazing defender, a crucial part of the best backline in United history, who also contributed a lot to the attacking game and Cafu is an undisputed all-time great in his position, probably the most balanced fullback in the history of the game. His stamina levels were absolutely insane, he ran the whole flank for the AC Milan even as a 38-years old.


My midfield is perfectly balanced - N'Golo Kante, who is coming off one of the best individual seasons by a defensive player in Premier league history (he was, in my opinion, the most important player in that title-winning Leicester team), provides legs, covers an insane amount of ground (70% of the planet is covered by water, the rest is by N'Golo Kante) and his defensive stats are simply unbelievable (4,7 tackles and 4,2 interceptions per game). He is partnered by two Ballon D’Or winning midfielders.

Josef Masopust, the 1962 European Footballer of the Year, was one of the world's most complete all-round performers during his imperious prime with Dukla Prague and the former Czechoslovakia. A sublimely gifted creative midfielder – or wing-half, as the role was described at the time – he occupied an equivalent niche in his nation's sporting consciousness to Bobby Charlton in England, fêted as an idol while receiving praise with an engaging modesty which never faltered. Immensely skilful, beautifully balanced and incisively intelligent, the Dukla playmaker was prodigiously industrious in his box-to-box role, and although he was no bruiser, he was adept at breaking up opposition attacks with crisply-timed tackles and shrewd interceptions. His passing was a delight, invariably accurate and often penetrative, but it was his jinking forays, frequently beginning in his own half and ending deep inside enemy territory, that became his trademark. He had a characteristic knack of switching the ball from foot to foot as he danced past opponents as if they were training cones, his bewildering high-speed sidesteps being tagged as "Masopust's Slalom", prompting Pele to joke that his ball-work was so wonderful that he must have been born in Brazil.

Luis Suarez Miramontes won the Ballon D’Or in 1960 as an attacking midfielder for Barca and two times came second and once third as a more of a deep-lying playmaker for Inter Milan. His playing style actually reminds me of P.R.Falcao, both compiled their creative side with tactical awareness and off-the-ball workrate that you don’t usually expect from geniuses like them. I believe that he is well-known at this board, especially after Joga’s brilliant work introducing him earlier. He is very different from Masopust though, which is why I believe they will work together - the latter preferred to carry the ball forward, although very well capable of a defence-splitting pass, while Suarez was a genuine playmaker who preferred the ball to do the running for him - although he showed enough Masopust-esque runs ending with the goal or the assist in his lengthy career.



My front three consists of Eder, Seeler and Messi. Leo Messi needs no introduction and he plays where I prefer him, on the right as a free-roaming forward/playmaker (with Cafu, Suarez and Seeler being the perfect supporting cast for him).

On the left I have my legacy player who I am incredibly happy to have - everyone who saw that Brazil side of 1982 knows who it is. A versatile forward who played on the left for the national team had silky touch and, what separates him from most, his shooting technique was impecable. He has arguable the strongest shot in history of football and I’ve never seen anyone to curl the ball as precise as him. Unlike most of the legacy players, who need to be good enough to just not look out of place, Eder should be one of the most exiting players on the pitch today.

Leading the line I have the great Uwe Seeler. If not for G. Müller he would’ve been regarded as the best German forward of all time. Despite average hight his unbelievable leap allowed him to score a fair amount of his goals with his head (he was one of the few «short» players who absolutely dominated the aerial battles because of their leap and positioning, like Passarella and Chumpitaz), and his fantastic overall play makes him pretty much the perfect focal point for the likes of Messi and Eder to play off. Not to forget his incredible goalscoring output - he scored 575 official goals over the course of his career and is currently the 7th most prolific football player in the history of the game according to rsssf.

TEAL CAL


The Set Up

The modern 4-3-3, with the key being that the team will be completely solid defensively with Schmeichel behind 2 all time greats in Cannavaro & Desailly. On either side, D Alves and N Santos are both more than capable of defending whilst providing width.

Mascherano will be deployed as the DM who drops back when ever the fullbacks go forward, and also provide the strength and tenacity in midfield to hopefully starve Messi of the ball.

Kroos and M Scholl are both midfielders who can provide a pass as well as having the energy required in what will turn out to be a midfielder battle.

Further upfield, Giggs is capable of playing on the wing and at the same time drop into midfield to support the others. Cruyff will be given a relatively free role to work his magic and Drogba is one of the best strikers at holding up the ball and linking with his team mates in the last decade or so.

Why we'll win?

Frankly, there shouldn't be a great deal of difference up front, but my team has significantly the better defence. :D
 

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70% of the planet is covered by water, the rest is by N'Golo Kanté



The obvious choices for the youth spot were the young and proven goalkeepers, like De Gea or the shiny names who were considered their generation’s best since they were teens, like Pogba and Neymar - but I picked N’Golo Kanté. Leicester’s fairy tale will be forever remembered by football fans all over the world, and while Mahrez and Vardy received the individual award most experts agree that the true MVP of that season was the tireless Frenchman. He was also voted by his team-mates as Leicester’s Player of the Season.


The season had just ended and as it is still fresh in our memory it’s harder to compare his performance to his predecessors, but I genuinely think that only Keane, Vieira and Makelele had similar influence on the team’s performance from the defensive midfield. And we shouldn’t think that he is a one-season wonder - he earned his transfer becoming the player with the most successful tackles in the top-5 leagues in 2014/15 (5,3 tackles per game), which lead to Franck Sylvestre’s words that he should be called up to the national team and that he will become a better version of Makelele*. But still, his first season in the Premier league was a revelation - he never stopped running, he tackled (4,7 tackles per game), he intercepted (4,2 interceptions per game) and he helped in the transition with his driving runs and incisive passing (71% of his passes were forward).


I made a table comparing him to the best defensive midfielders of the last few years (note that in case of Mascherano and J. Martinez I chose the season and the tournament where they performed best in a given role). In terms of the style, Casemiro (whose introduction to the team saved Real’s season) is the closest to him - and of course, Busquets’ game isn’t limited to the tackles and interceptions, but still, the sheer productivity of Kante is absolutely immense. And too bad that squawka doesn’t have the ground covered stat.



Here’s a good analysis of his game by the BBC (take note of the heat map):


Here are some of his heat maps from the different games:


And to end this post with the quotes:

Sir Alex Ferguson said:
N’Golo Kante is by far the best player in the Premier League this season.
Ronald Koeman said:
Kante, what a player! He wins every second ball, he's always on the move and he's very clever in his position. He gives so much strength to the Leicester team. He is doing such difficult stuff. His running and moving gives Mahrez the freedom to show his qualities.
Claudio Ranieri said:
He is quiet but he can improve a lot because he can play like a central midfielder like when I had Makelele. Sometimes I put him in wide positions because I want him on the pitch. If you remember well, Makelele was a winger at the beginning of his career and then he came inside for Celta Vigo in Spain, then with Real Madrid and then with us at Chelsea. I think Kante can achieve this position. He is a very good midfielder.
Claudio Ranieri said:
This player (Kante), he was running so hard I thought he must have a pack full of batteries hidden in his shorts. He never stopped running in training. I had to tell him, “Hey, N’Golo, slow down. Slow down. Don’t run after the ball every time, okay?”

He says to me, “Yes, boss. Yes. Okay.”

Ten seconds later, I look over and he’s running again.

I tell him, “One day, I’m going to see you cross the ball, and then finish the cross with a header yourself."
Alan Smith said:
Has he had a bad game this season? I can't think of one.
Independent said:
N’Golo Kante is a genius. He is a new archetype, a player that embodies football’s inevitable movement towards universality in an age of billionaire companies sculpting kids from as young as five. Kante is Footballer 2.0, an impossible amalgamation of all previous footballing incarnations - the laboratory experiment of a cartoon super-villain. He commands defensive midfield and weaves forward in attack with alarming precision, often appearing to move, think, and compute at a speed several steps ahead of the mere mortals that surround him. His fusion of quick-footed passing and defensive anticipation are not unique in world football but he is perhaps unmatched in his ability to both destroy and build – often simultaneously.
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Franck Sylvestre said:
There are players who are not necessarily in the biggest teams, who deserve to be called up to the French team. For example, the Caen’s midfielder N'Golo Kanté. He will be better than Claude Makelele because he has the same defensive qualities, but he also goes forward

The season review if you have time:
 

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Éder Aleixo de Assis

I got very lucky with my legacy pick - I've got a pure genuis, and I'm not even exaggerating. He wasn't as talented as Garrincha, he wasn't as athletic as Cafu, but he had a wand of a left foot and he was incredibly exiting to watch. He is well-known as a part of the great Brazilian vintage of 1982, a team, whose destiny somehow resembles his own career - immensely talented, yet underachieving. His shooting and curling technique was absolutely unbelievable - and even pes stats (:rolleyes:) have his shot power at the maximum 99 points, along with Peter Lorimer.

 

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@harms the main criticism I have of Kante is his sheer numbers are due to playing in a team with the style of Leicester. In with the big boys he is limited to say the best and a big part of the reason a lot of people didn't want him here.

Also in this game with no attacking midfielders in cals team who is he going to be picking up??
 

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Team comparison:

Front three

I won't compare Cruyff and Messi - they both are amongst the greatest players ever and everyone already have an opinion on them and on how they compare to each other. Although Cruyff, the total footballer per excellence, can play literally everywhere, his best starting position was, imo, centrally or slightly on the left, while Messi in a free role on the right had the best spells of his career.

The biggest mismatch upfront is Uwe Seeler vs Didier Drogba. Both were brilliant playing as a focal point of attack, scoring, assisting and harassing opposition's defenders, but Seeler did it on another level. First of all, he is the 7th most prolific footballer in the history of the game with 575 goals in official matches - here's the link to the list. He is also been voted as 45th best player of all time by the International Federation of Football History and Statistics. Take a look at his magnificent all-round performance against the mighty Santos of Pele - a goal, two assists and a brilliant hold-up play.

Giggs vs Eder is a tough one. At the club level, very few can rival Giggs' achievements, and Eder can't match him, obviously, despite winning lots and lots in Brazil. Only at the end of his career he moved to Turkey and he never played in Europe, so there isn't much footage about him playing domestically. Internationally though, he easily outshines Giggs, although you can not blame Giggs for playing for the massively inferior side. Eder was capped for Brazil 52 times, including his inspiring performance at the 1982 World Cup - in a team that will forever associate with Joga Bonito. From what I've seen of him, I can't say that there is a big difference between them on their peak level - with Eder possessing a stronger and more accurate shot and unbelievable curving technique and Giggs possessing more of a traditionally winger's attributes, like crossing and dribbling at the high speed.

And then we're going to the area which will win me the game - the midfield

I have quite possibly the best midfield in the draft. Only three central midfielders won the Ballon D'Or in the history of this award - and two of them are present in my midfield. Masopust and Luisito Suarez, brilliant players with excellent work-rate can probably win the midfield battle without the help from Kante, but the addition of the energetic Frenchmen allow them the much needed freedom. Masopust will do his trademark "Masopust slaloms", breaking the lines and creating goalscoring opportunities, Luisito (I use the Inter/Spain 1964 version of him) will provide his excellent passing and a considerable goalthreat.

Now, to the elephant in the room - I already dedicated the whole post to N'Golo Kante and here I'll just explain his role in today's game a little further. Like @P-Nut0712 reasonably said, there is no pure AM in my opponent's side - but Kante is not your usual man-marking holding midfielder. His main traits is his stamina, pressing and reading of the game - plus, with the support of Masopust and Suarez he isn't required to stay in front of the back 4 as a pivot of sorts - he'll be harassing opposition players like he do so well for Leicester. Cal has one of the most brilliant passers of the ball today in Toni Kroos, but we all know that he has his weaknesses, which are stopping him from becoming the best midfielder in the world - most notably his lack of mobility and vulnerability to the high pressing. It just so happens, that Kante is the perfect player to limit him influence on the game, with his constant running and selflessness.

And, well, the difference between the midfields in quality is simply overwhelming. Masopust and Luisito Suarez are the best players on the pitch bar Messi and Cruyff, and together, with their synergy and different qualities that they bring to the table, they will win me this game with ease.


Defence.

Cal? said:
but my team has significantly the better defence. :D
That's how Cal describes it, like it's a fact, but I, frankly, can't see it. Desailly and Cannavarro are probably more familiar to the voters, but Chumpitaz is widely regarded as one of the best central defenders in history and as one of the SA greats - behind Figueroa but alongside Passarella and Nasazzi. Desailly and Cannavarro are in the tier below the very best (Baresi, Scirea, Figueroa) - and so is, probably, Chumpitaz.
Here's the list of his individual achievements:
* 1969 Best Defender CONMEBOL
* 1971 Best Defender CONMEBOL
* 1973 All Stars CONMEBOL: Captain
* 2000 World Soccer's: The 100 Greatest Footballers of All Time
* 2004 South American - Player of the Century: Ranking Nº 35
* 2007 Midfield Dynamo's 10 Heroes of the Copa América
* 2007 Copa America All-Star team, all-time
* 2008 All Stars CONMEBOL in the last 50 years
* 2008 Defender all-time goalscoring: Ranking Nº 32

Perfumo is probably the weakest defender on the pitch although he is in no way a liability - he usually partners Passarella in the heart of every Argentina XI and he didn't look out of place playing against the likes of Pele and Cruyff.

Evra vs Nilton Santos is pretty straightforward, it's clear that Evra is an inferior player - just like Alves is to Cafu on the right though.

TLDR:

  • My attack is simply better and, which is important, has more goals in it - you all know Messi's records, Seeler is the 7th most prolific footballer ever with 575 career goals and Eder is roughly equalling Giggs' goalscoring tally.
  • My midfield is vastly superior, with 2 Ballon D'Or winners and a young energizer who will prove to be Kroos' kryptonite
  • Our defences are very tough to separate in my opinion, he probably has a slightly better center back pairing although I have the best defender - and the full back situation is mirrored with generation greats being compared to the all-time greats in Evra/N.Santos and Alves/Cafu
 
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@harms the main criticism I have of Kante is his sheer numbers are due to playing in a team with the style of Leicester. In with the big boys he is limited to say the best and a big part of the reason a lot of people didn't want him here.

Also in this game with no attacking midfielders in cals team who is he going to be picking up??
Answered in the big post.

I included Casemiro who plays the same way for one of the biggest teams of today - and Kante also looked great for France until Deschamps decided to stick with the weird formation and to put Pogba deeper just to play Sissoko. Obviously the numbers won't be that high if he were to play for a more dominating team, but the difference is too big to say that he won't reach Mascherano's or Martinez' level when we cut the "underdog" percentage. Like any stats, they shouldn't tell you the story themselves - they should only support or contradict your feelings after watching the game. I won't say that Kante is better than Busquets, for example, because he has more interceptions and tackles, it's stupid, but it's interesting to put it into the perspective

Also, Cal has one of the most unique contemporary midfielders there - Kroos is very similar to Pirlo in my opinion because their amazing quality on the ball (Kroos is probably the best passer out there in the moment) outweighs their poor work ethic and the lack of mobility. Remember how Park nullified Pirlo (and the latter later said that Fergie committed crime against the true football in unleashing his guard dog on him)? Kante is of the same rare breed of three-lung footballers who will run the opponents to the ground - if you haven't seen enough of Leicester games last season, look at the heat maps.
 
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Some incredible Eder vids.
The shot that hit the bar in the game vs England reminds me of none other than Johan Cruyff

It's ridiculously simple - just two touches and everything else doesn't matter. But only the true genius can play that simple. Reminds me of Cruyff's quote:
Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is
 

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I don't like the Kante pick at all . All the statistics that Kante came out on top in last season, schneiderlin topped the season before , and look at him how .Too much potential for him to being a one season wonder and his passing is going to let you down. He was Leicester's best player , but in your team he is comfortably the worst . I don't really see him coming out against a peak giggs or cruyff very favourably ( although I can't really tell from either teams if those are even likely battles )

What wins you this though is the Cafu Messi combination IMO. I loved Messi starting from the right and the partnership he had with alves was untouchable at times . Cafu is 10x the player ( IMO) and that is way more devastating than any other linking up on the pitch. If you keep that and don't get injuries , I think with the potential reinforcements you can get then you win this draft comfortably .
 

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I'll offer a little in terms of the defenders, whilst harms makes the argument that he has Ballon D'or winners in midfield, he also left out the fact that Cannavaro was one of the only defenders ever to win the award.
 

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I find it very odd not starting Falcao in this one. He's one of my favorite all action midfielders and IMO well recognized as well.

IMO having him instead of Masch is a non brainer with Kroos in the DLP position.

Two solid teams with obviously Cruyff and Messi as talisman.

For harms team I probably have one concern - Chumpitaz and Perfumo in the air, with Drogba lurking around.
 

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but in your team he is comfortably the worst . I don't really see him coming out against a peak giggs or cruyff very favourably ( although I can't really tell from either teams if those are even likely battles )
1. Hate to break it to you but every youth player (and Kante is my youth one) will be the worst player in their teams, unless you're ridiculously unlucky with your legacy pick.
2. He isn't playing against Giggs or Cruyff, he'll mostly be running in midfield limiting Kroos (more often) and Scholl (to an extent), providing excellent work-rate, energy levels and selflessness to his more gifted partners (although, looking at Cal's midfield, Masopust and Suarez would've dominated it even as a duo)

Masopust is such a great fit here not only because he is one of the most talented midfielders that ever graced on the pitch, he also was a hardworking old-school half-back who covered for the left back quite often - and that is the area where Cruyff, the biggest threat, will be operating.

Centrally I'll be okay, especially from my point of view because I don't know what Drogba is doing in the all-time draft to be fair, someone like Erico would've been a much better pick (although Cal doesn't like old players iirc)
 

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I'll offer a little in terms of the defenders, whilst harms makes the argument that he has Ballon D'or winners in midfield, he also left out the fact that Cannavaro was one of the only defenders ever to win the award.
Some may don't know or remember about Ballon D'Or winners of the 60's - I don't think that there is a single voter here who doesn't remember Cannavarro heroics in 2006.
 

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Two solid teams with obviously Cruyff and Messi as talisman.
the only difference is that harms built around Messi and gave him a platform to shine while cal didnt do so for Cruyff. It looks like he was just trying to find any place for him to get him on the pitch.
 

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For harms team I probably have one concern - Chumpitaz and Perfumo in the air, with Drogba lurking around.
Chumpitaz, like Passarella, despite being short, are known for being absolutely brilliant in the air - their leap and positioning nullified the difference in height, I don't think that it's fair to say that Chumpitaz will struggle in the air. Perfumo wasn't Vidic or Ruggeri, but he wasn't a mug either, and he read the game brilliantly, so I trust two of them (plus Maier) to deal with Drogba
 

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The main reason here for me is always to look/read more about the past greats, and those match compilations are very helpful. Check out the other Luis Suarez video - be sure to watch it now if you're interested as FIFA will probably ban it soon :(
By the way, credit for both Suarez videos goes solely to @Joga Bonito

 

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the only difference is that harms built around Messi and gave him a platform to shine while cal didnt do so for Cruyff. It looks like he was just trying to find any place for him to get him on the pitch.
I'm not entirely convinced that Messi's best position is on the right, he had his best seasons when he played upfront for Barca. Cruyff, on the other hand, could play anywhere and spent a lot of his career in the wing-forward position that I'm playing him at.
 

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I'm not entirely convinced that Messi's best position is on the right, he had his best seasons when he played upfront for Barca. Cruyff, on the other hand, could play anywhere and spent a lot of his career in the wing-forward position that I'm playing him at.
There isnt much between right wing Messi and false nine Messi, different players but both of them dominated in their own way. But thats not important, harms gave him everything to shine. Technical players that can combine with him, support from Cafu and a strike partner that fits him perfectly.
On the other hand, its not just about his positioning on the right wing, as you said, you can put him anywhere if you surround him with right type of players. He is the best when is performing "one man orchestra" and here he has Kroos who likes to control the game, Scholl that likes the ball, Giggs who doesnt really fit and Drogba who is okay but i would always go with a different type of player.
 

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Chumpitaz, like Passarella, despite being short, are known for being absolutely brilliant in the air - their leap and positioning nullified the difference in height, I don't think that it's fair to say that Chumpitaz will struggle in the air. Perfumo wasn't Vidic or Ruggeri, but he wasn't a mug either, and he read the game brilliantly, so I trust two of them (plus Maier) to deal with Drogba
I think Chumpitaz weak point was his aerial ability? He was pretty fast, strong and reader of the game. Sure he had an excellent jump but I don't agree with him being absolutely brilliant in the air. Certainly not the same level as Passarella.
 

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the only difference is that harms built around Messi and gave him a platform to shine while cal didnt do so for Cruyff. It looks like he was just trying to find any place for him to get him on the pitch.
I don't think there's anything that separates their roles in this game(according to formation). The players around them of course is another matter.

I don't have any issues with either of them - versatile and absolute brilliant players up front and in a free/roaming role. The thing about Cruyff and Messi(and advantage as well) is that you can use them both on the wing and centrally with close to the same effect.
 
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I don't think there's anything that separates their roles in this game(according to formation). The players around them of course is another matter.

I don't have any issues with either of them - versatile and absolute brilliant players up front and in a free/roaming role. The thing about Cruyff and Messi(and advantage as well) is that you can use them both on the wing and centrally with close to the same effect.
As i said it in previous post to cal, i dont have an issue about their position or even the role they will have, its about players around them.
 

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I think Chumpitaz weak point was his aerial ability? He was pretty fast, strong and reader of the game. Sure he had an excellent jump but I don't agree with him being absolutely brilliant in the air. Certainly not the same level as Passarella.
I know it's shit, but here are his PES stats, for example, which depicts exactly the player I saw:
Header: 85
Jump: 90

Never saw the criticism of his aerial game despite him being only 1,71
 

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I know it's shit, but here are his PES stats, for example, which depicts exactly the player I saw:
Header: 85
Jump: 90

Never saw the criticism of his aerial game despite him being only 1,71
I know it's kinda shit source as well but:
http://xtraimmortal.blogspot.bg/2013/07/Defender.html


Skills: Str B-,Rapid B-,Aerial C-,Pos A-,Tack A-,Read A-,Mark B+,Atk C-
Performance : Domestic Club B+,International Club B,National Team B+

“The America’s Captain” Hector Chumpitaz is one of Peru’s most recognized footballer player, was known for his great technique, his leadership, his organization ability on the field, A strong reader of the game with excellent ball skills and distribution but the weak point is his aerial ability. He marshaled a capable defense to support Peru’s attack led by Teofilo Cubillas. Chumpitaz was selected captain of the American continent's team in 1973.

There were some books on WC history that had noted similar points(not saying he's crap mind) that he was not that great in the air. There are loads of WC highlights, but I'm not sure it can be a great source either as the other defenders around him in that Peru line up wasn't all that good so he needed to cover a lot of space in the back.

He's a great defender - had him in mind to partner Figueroa as he's pretty fast, strong and also great at the back, but IMO this was his one weakness.


Muller's hattrick against Peru in 1970 and in his 3rd goal it was Chumpitaz around him leaving him unmarked. As I've said it's not a very good barometer as they we're playing zonal and the other defenders in the set up were far from his level but still..
 
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As i said it in previous post to cal, i dont have an issue about their position or even the role they will have, its about players around them.
Yeah, it's important how they pan up with the rest. As I've said, I'd probably liked Falcao better in Cal's side.
 

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I know it's kinda shit source as well but:
http://xtraimmortal.blogspot.bg/2013/07/Defender.html


Skills: Str B-,Rapid B-,Aerial C-,Pos A-,Tack A-,Read A-,Mark B+,Atk C-
Performance : Domestic Club B+,International Club B,National Team B+

“The America’s Captain” Hector Chumpitaz is one of Peru’s most recognized footballer player, was known for his great technique, his leadership, his organization ability on the field, A strong reader of the game with excellent ball skills and distribution but the weak point is his aerial ability. He marshaled a capable defense to support Peru’s attack led by Teofilo Cubillas. Chumpitaz was selected captain of the American continent's team in 1973.

There were some books on WC history that had noted similar points(not saying he's crap mind) that he was not that great in the air. There are loads of WC highlights, but I'm not sure it can be a great source either as the other defenders around him in that Peru line up wasn't all that good so he needed to cover a lot of space in the back.

He's a great defender - had him in mind to partner Figueroa as he's pretty fast, strong and also great at the back, but IMO this was his one weakness.
They rate Cannavaro as a B- though, it's probably have more to do with their height. Will try to dig something up later

And Kohler B :eek:
 

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They rate Cannavaro as a B- though, it's probably have more to do with their height. Will try to dig something up later

And Kohler B :eek:
Yeah me too. I'll try to find the books I remember reading somewhere online. The ranking is a bit off as well, so it's not an absolute true source or something.
 

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Yeah me too. I'll try to find the books I remember reading somewhere online. The ranking is a bit off as well, so it's not an absolute true source or something.
Ever the perfectionist, there was still much about his team’s performances that frustrated Didi. While losing 4-2 to a vibrant Brazil was, on paper, no disgrace; the Brazilian was angry that his players had been guilty of too many defensive lapses and the sort of tactical naivety he had worked so hard to eradicate. Héctor Chumpitaz’s performances encapsulated everything that was good and bad about this Peruvian side. This was a player who was quick and powerful and although not tall for a central defender, he could often leap and win crosses against much taller opponents
https://beyondthelastman.com/2013/06/18/didis-revolution-in-peru-part-two/
 

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I find it very odd not starting Falcao in this one. He's one of my favorite all action midfielders and IMO well recognized as well.

IMO having him instead of Masch is a non brainer with Kroos in the DLP position.

Two solid teams with obviously Cruyff and Messi as talisman.

For harms team I probably have one concern - Chumpitaz and Perfumo in the air, with Drogba lurking around.
Resting Falcao for tougher tests ahead. Bold as feck.
 

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Those Peruvians are all alike, similar build, similar haircut and this fecking strip makes it impossible to read the number on a low-quality footage :mad:

And the Brazilians won't cross the ball, joga bonito and everything :(
 
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Those Peruvians are all alike, similar build, similar haircut and this fecking strip makes it impossible to read the number on a low-quality footage :mad:

And the Brazilians won't cross the ball, joga bonito and everything :(
Zee Germans crossed quite a bit and Muller had a lot of free headers in that game, but it's hard to pin down who was at fault for 3 reasons in that Peru team:


1. They played zonal and I'm not sure apart from Chumpitaz either of them had the ability to do so.
2. Generally, apart from Chumpitaz they are a bit gung ho ones - good on the ball, not so when it comes to positioning
3. The crap quality and strips you can't tell them apart.
 

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Brazilians made literally two crosses into the box and both were intercepted by Chumpitaz partners :(

He has a great strategy to deal with the taller forwards - he allows them the first touch if they are standing with the back to the goal and then appears from behind and snatches the ball. His positioning was always close to perfect.




 

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Zee Germans crossed quite a bit and Muller had a lot of free headers in that game, but it's hard to pin down who was at fault for 3 reasons in that Peru team:


1. They played zonal and I'm not sure apart from Chumpitaz either of them had the ability to do so.
2. Generally, apart from Chumpitaz they are a bit gung ho ones - good on the ball, not so when it comes to positioning
3. The crap quality and strips you can't tell them apart.
Horrific performance! Although Seeler :drool:

But to be fair to Chumpitaz, it is not his peak - that would be 1975. And his partners were below par (and to play 4-2-4 against Germany with Beckenbauer and Overath supporting Müller and Seeler...). And, luckily for me, Drogba is nowhere near Müller's level.
 

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Cafu, Evra and Luis Suarez are already celebrating

Too bad that you hadn't participated in the discussion, @Cal?, I hope that everything is alright with you and your grandma.
The decision to leave Falcao, your second best player, on the bench is a strange one.
 

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Starting Scholl ahead of Falcao was very odd. The teams are basically inseparable otherwise.
 

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Starting Scholl ahead of Falcao was very odd. The teams are basically inseparable otherwise.
He had to play as he was the legacy player. However, Kroos, the youth player, being in the midfield too, made it look a bit off colour against harms ballon d'Or winning midfield duo of Masopust and Suarez. Think harms midfield won the game for him. Cal could have perhaps dropped Giggs and played Cruyff on the left and Scholl as the RAM, with two fantastic wing-backs providing the width. Falcao could have been invaluable for Cal.