Enigma_87
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I'd be up for no mate's or South American as well.
Each game is 24 hours right? Just make it so when 12 hours are done there's HT. That could give people the illusion of less time being left.
Personally I think that the substitutions should way little. It's highly overrated irl how much positive impact a sub can have. Just have a look at games and see for yourself. Unless it's a game where players are rested and you sub in 3 starters for bit-part players then the impact is probable to be minimal or worse to the team. HT substitutions are better because you can send out your team into the 2nd half with a collective goal in mind but it's way harder when a player comes in and says "I go here, you there and you there".
For my money you might as well scrap the in-game subs. By all means keep the squad bigger but scrap the subs.
As for the draft itself. So many people here have drafted so often that they know who is going to play which way because they know what the player pool is left. It's always the same players. To keep it fresh imo you need to take it down a notch and let players in that haven't taken part in the draft. Maybe do a European draft and limit the number of players that have played for a team that's been top X in the past Y years in Z leagues.
I'd suggest two concrete changes (one of them have been discussed before, and as I recall the mood was positive about this one - it just wasn't implemented properly) IF people still want subs to play a part in the games:
1. Subs only allowed at HT, i.e. after 12hrs.
2. Original formation pic/tactical write-up remains in OP. New formation pic/tactical changes can be threadmarked but does not feature in OP.
I'd be keen to do something more focused in an upcoming draft - e.g. a Serie A 90s or all-time, La Liga 90s or all time, Eastern Europe or South America all time - whatever but something themed where around half the players haven't seen any draft action before.
Match clock seems like a no brainer - could probably be running with that now to be honest. Subs or tactical changes in second half only seems fair as well.
Look at all drafts so far and ban every single player ever picked for a draft. Hehe.
In the reserve reserve draft, the quality of the remaining players was still extremely high.
Re: Loser draft.
Could certainly work. There's a question of making sure the featured players are actually interesting, though. As said before, having pools of non-obvious players shouldn't be a goal in itself. It's easy to fill a pool with no-marks, but the novelty would wear off pretty quickly, I think.
If you define “major trophy” as WC, CL (EC)/Libertadores and Euro/CA – it should be possible to fill a pool with mostly interesting (in one way or another) players. If you define a winner's medal from one of the big leagues as a major trophy too – I think you're in trouble.
You'll need close to 200 players, after all.
I think the player pool for Reserve Draft v2 and Loser Draft may have lot if overlaps, so would make sense to combine the two. Have a Reserve Reserve Draft with at least 4 players to have not won any major trophy.
Blocked (The GOATs and whatnots):
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/all-time-reserves-draft-quarters.416155/#post-19013215
In addition to that, you block all the players below:
1. Stobzilla & KM - 1. Enzo Francescoli 2. Fritz Walter 3. Juan Joya 4. Roger Marche 5. Nestor Goncalves 6. Larbi Ben M'barek 7. Branko Stankovic 8. Leonel Alvarez 9 Wladyslaw Zmuda 10. Jerzy Gorgon 11. Silvio Piola
2. Downcast - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Rensenbrink 3. Osvaldo Ardiles 4. Gerrard 5. Vieri 6. Rep 7. Hulshoff 8. Frank De Boer 9. Buzánszky 10. Neuer 11. Abidal 12. Pluskal
3. RedTiger - 1. Gianni Rivera 2. Stielike 3. Bossis 4. J.Greaves 5. Donadoni 6. Lucio 7. Boban 8. Reuter 9. Sanchis 10. van der Sar 11. Heynckes 12. Wimmer
4. Sjor Bepo & Invictus - 1. Gérson 2. Förster 3. Riva 4. Kaltz 5. Wright 6. Orsi 7. Häßler 8. Marinho 9. Néstor Rossi 10. Julinho 11. Scarone 12. Hellström
5. Tuppet - 1. Florian Albert 2. Thomas Muller 3. Blanchflower 4. Josef Bican 5. Roberto Perfumo 6. Bonhof 7. Morten Olsen 8. Leandro Ferreira 9. Valentino Mazzola 10. Renzo De Vecchi 11. Amadeo Carrizo 12. Felix Loustau
6. Aldo Staine - 1. Teófilo Cubillas 2. Mario Kempes 3. Pietro Vierchowod 4. Armando Picchi 5. Preben Elkjær Larsen 6. Amancio Amaro 7. Joan Segarra 8. Dunga 9. Fritz Szepan 10. Willy Sagnol 11. Gilmar 12. Gattuso
7. Chesterlestreet - 1. Matthias Sindelar 2. Kazimierz Deyna 3. Grzegorz Lato 4. Wilhelmus "Wim" Jansen 5. Roberto Rosato 6. Zito 7. J. Armfield 8. B. Lennox, 9. Cesare Maldini 10. D. Zoff 11. Ricardo Pavoni 12. Giacomo Bulgarelli
8. Isotope - 1. Sandro Mazzola 2. Tostao 3. Ciro Ferrara 4. Gianluca Zambrotta 5. Ince 6. Just Fontaine 7. H.J. Dörner 8. Cambiasso 9. Sol Campbell 10. G. Buffon 11. Branco 12. J. Angloma
9. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. Uwe Seeler 2. B. Conti 3. Ruggeri 4. Lerby 5. Labruna 6. Hanappi 7. Khurtsilava 8. Gemmell 9. Pedernera 10. J. Carey 11. Croy 12. Barnes
10. harms & Annah - 1. Zizinho 2. Keizer 3. Netto 4. D. Alves 5. Leonidas Da Silva 6. Streltsov 7. Clodoaldo 8. Byrne 9. Buchwald 10. Jonquet 11. Ghiggia 12. Planicka
11. green_smiley - 1. Dixie Dean 2. Dobrin 3. Luis Pereira 4. Israël 5. Romeo Benetti 6. Di Bartolomei 7. Jorginho 8. Magico Gonzalez 9. Antonio Benarrivo 10. Mario Corso 11. Ferenc Bene 12. Beara
12. BBRBB - 1- Nils Liedholm 2. Júnior 3. Alain Giresse 4. Diego Godín 5. Thiago Silva 6. Nándor Hidegkuti 7. Héctor Rial 8. Maicon 9. Mascherano 10. Juninho Pernambucano 11. Joël Bats 12. Vavá
13. Physiocrat - 1. Kaka 2. Zagallo 3. Modric 4. Cerezo 5. Evra 6. Taylor 7. W. Samuel 8. Mats Hummels 9. G Neville 10. A. Kanchelskis 11. G. Mendieta 12. Toldo
14. mazhar13 & Marty1968 - 1. W. Overath 2. H.G.Schwarzenbeck 3. H. Szymaniak 4. H. Crespo 5. F. Causio 6. M. Tassotti 7. K. Augenthaler 8. H. Haller 9. A. Carboni 10. L. Skoglund 11. Zenga 12. H. Schäfer
15. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. L Brady 2. N Stiles 3. K Dalglish 4. I Rush 5. VR Andrade 6. Danny Blind 7. J Ceulemans 8. Michel 9. M A Nadal 10. E Hughes 11. G Grosics 12. P Neal
16. Enigma_87 - 1. Allan Simonsen 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stojkovic 4. David Villa 5. Bratseth 6. Willi Schulz 7. Volodymyr Bezsonov 8. Bernard Dietz 9. Papin 10. Čajkovski 11. Schumacher 12. Conte
...and go from there.
Striker: Ronaldo, Kocsis, Luis Suarez...
You mean the reserve draft, I take it. A reserve reserve draft hasn't been done - yet. As I take it, Mustard's idea is to block
a) All the GOATs and whatnots who were blocked in Aldo's reserve draft (i.e. a list based on a previous all-time draft)
and
b) all the players who actually featured in Aldo's reserve draft.
That hasn't been done - and it may be a good way to achieve what many seem to want here, namely a draft featuring players on something like a third tier in terms of (historical) recognition/status in the game.
For my money, the above makes more sense than a draft with specific restrictions: Many of those third tier boys will have won major trophies - but that doesn't mean they're particularly shiny names, or fancied options: In fact, they may be precisely the sort of players we're talking about here - unfancied, in the grand scheme of things, but nevertheless very good and interesting players.
Aye, that's it summarised to a tee. The downsides:
- It will be a bit of a ball ache searching a list of 400 players to make sure a pick is valid
- Voter turnout might be low as there might be a fair few unknown players and it could be difficult to seperate the teams
It would, however, completely remove the GOATs and the usual bunch of supporting acts from discussion for a change. We'd actually cast our nets a bit deeper and I'd be somewhat surprised if anyone has heard of all the players who end up getting drafted. For the managers that favour modern players, I imagine alot of currently active or recently retired players could be pitched in at this level without looking out of place. The match threads themselves mightn't be great (although are they ever consistently that good?) but I think the drafting could be pretty rewarding.
In this case, a classification is required: Striker/Fwd/AM/Box-to-Box/DM/LW/RW/LB/RB/Sweeper/Stopper/GK
You would have around 25 players per category to be checked.
More importantly, who's running the next one?
I take it you want to wait with the Monopoly one? So, the next one will be No Mates, S-America or Reserves II.
yeah, I prefer to play the next one. Something serious...with Monopoly break after sounds nice.
Seems South America has no mod-takers, it falls to between you and physiocrat.
Some discussion is needed on that one, though - to iron it out some. Completely open pool, for instance? How do we regard players who have caps for European national teams? Probably some other issues as well.
Since it's the first of a kind, I'd keep it simple. Born in South America. Or you could expand it all Americas to get representation from Mexico et al. US/Canada don't have much value anyway. So yeah, anyone born in North/Central/South America would be eligible.
Someone should assess the pool too see if there aren't too much of Ronaldo's and Rivaldo's available - or it will be the same set of familiar faces in the later rounds.
Yep, I don't think it's worth it if all the new names would be replaced after the QFs.There will be - without any doubt. So, if this is a concern (and it should be, in fairness) we need to think about blocking some players.
4. Chinese Super League Draft:
Invictus
How about player who only played in South American leagues or using those leagues as peak of players. This was what I thought the SA draft is anyway.