It was Chris Brunt, and you're right. Smaller teams, like those managed by Pulis try being physical all the time. Yellow was the right decision in both cases.
Zlatan shoulder tackle
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Really amazing. If it was a bang average English cb doing it against our foreign import it would be the cb "letting him know he's there", "stamping his mark on the match", "setting a presedence in the duels" and every other tired cliche.much ado about nothing - can't believe how over the top the commentators were...
'we've seen the best and worst of Ibrahimovic'
Especially the tired old "letting him know he's there" comment must have been wheeled out about 400 times when we had FB and CB's soiling themselves over C.Ronaldo.
You usually hear those lines when someone gets taken out in a hard but fair challenge that wins the ball. Ibra was nowhere near winning the ball though.
They've obviously not watched too much football, never mind too much Ibra.much ado about nothing - can't believe how over the top the commentators were...
'we've seen the best and worst of Ibrahimovic'
Don't misunderstand, it was as clear a yellow as I've ever seen, but the meal some are making out of it is way ott.
Olsson on Rashford was just as bad, but spinning that one won't generate clicks and retweets.
I fully agree, he played the man. An obvious foul, and the amount of force dictates free kick, yellow or red?
Personally I think there's a bigger meal being made of pundits indulging in punditry.
Exactly. And it did look nasty in real time. For a moment I thought he'd sparked him out. Probably the correct decision but you could see some referees using it as an opportunity to make a name for themself. He'll need to keep his (magnificent) nose clean for the next few games.
Did you hear his short interview on Newstalk during the week? It was brilliant. I'll find it if you didn't.
Nope. Is it online?
I'll find it and post it. Twas funny.
Was a yellow. Nothing more. A bit dirty but I'm glad we've got a couple of players willing to mix it up now & again this season.
I loved it 
Can't believe this thread is still going, was a naughty challenge but a yellow card and probably a final warning as well.
Kept his arms down otherwise it would of been red, but surely that is all common sense?
Kept his arms down otherwise it would of been red, but surely that is all common sense?
So you believe the other incident merited a red card too?
Edit: Here is the video of the tackle for help: (thanks for @U99ted for correcting me that it was Brunt)
I still think it was red, a little less after reading the comments here but still think its a red. Excessive force and deliberate. Could easily have concussed him.
I don't understand the praise he gets for it, whilst Rojo got slaughtered for his stupid challenge vs Everton! Both could have cost us points of we went down to 10 men early
I don't understand the praise he gets for it, whilst Rojo got slaughtered for his stupid challenge vs Everton! Both could have cost us points of we went down to 10 men early
I have said three times that Zlatan's wasn't a red, so I don't know what you're issue is. My point is that the rules can be applied incident by incident regardless of what Rojo did last week ofr Brunt did 20 minutes later.
Rules shouldn't be applied differently for similar incidents. Therefore there is a link between the Rashford incident to the one we are discussing. Plus we see "Brunt type of tackles" fairly frequently and such are very rarely given a red card. Hence it is a useful barometer to judge the Ibra incident too.
I think it was just nice to see tony pulls in a complete state of confusion. He didn't know whether to cry or fist bump the challenge.
I think the problem was all of zlatans momentum made it look worse, if he was ready to brace himself he wouldn't have done like a sack of spuds. Yes it was a bit over the top and could have been a red but realistically it wasn't.
If Ibra should have been sent off for this, by the same standards, West Brom would have been down to 9 or 8 players.
Probably not a red, I think it should be though. I really dislike seeing players going for other players when the ball is gone. Injuries are so frequent and rob so many top players of so many games that anyone willing to risk a injury in that fashion should be sent off (Lesser players deserve the same protection but I don't care as much). The opposition player's attention is on the ball, and when the situation is over he won't anticipate a challenge anymore and thus be a lot more likely to suffer an injury.
Imagine Costa did that to Jones and broke his collarbone in the process...
Imagine Costa did that to Jones and broke his collarbone in the process...
Weird how when Andy Carroll and co were throwing themselves at 'fragile' 19 year old De Gea it's just "leaving one on him" or "introducing him to the premier league" but when somebody from United gives back it's the worst of that person.
THEY HATE US AGAIN
THEY HATE US AGAIN
Zlatan got superpowers, he should'a stopped fecking mid air. Adrians studs against Zlatan got less media-fuzz. That look like a potential career-ending tackle. Yellow was OK for Zlatan. You can't say he didn't even try to get the ball. Unlike WBAs hockey-tackle on Rashford later in the game.
I think you can add the fact that it was one of the last defenders to fault the attacker which is different. Rashford could've created a 1vs1 situation with the keeper If Brunt hadn't tackled him, thus giving more ground to show a red than the Ibra episode.
Not really. When DDG was absolutely battered in his first year with us you heard that a lot. And those challenges were far from fair.
Way too much is being made of that tackle anyway. Every elbow challenge you see is more dangerous.
It so funny, the next day I was in the local M&S as I walked in I noticed the newespaper display stand and it was full of pictures of the "incident" and the best angle they could find looks innocuous his left tricep slightly touching the west brom players chest.
Bring on the hate it is glorious. It is our Fuel
Bring on the hate it is glorious. It is our Fuel
Zlatan incident = Deserved yellow, on first viewing it looked worse than it was, but he didn't lead with his elbow it was just a strong shoulder barge
Chris Brunt = Deserved yellow. As above
Both strong challenges, definite fouls, no need to get carried away with red card talk.
Penalty claim on Lingard also very soft and deserved not to be given.
Move along
Chris Brunt = Deserved yellow. As above
Both strong challenges, definite fouls, no need to get carried away with red card talk.
Penalty claim on Lingard also very soft and deserved not to be given.
Move along
No. he said it was reckless but not malicious so a yellow card was enough.
He did say that Rondon should have walked for his slap on Rojo though.
My only point with the penalty is that they were saying the first goal could have been disallowed for the pull on Dawson. If that was a foul then so was the pull on Lingard.
The amount of times in the last 2 years we got bullied and out muscled by sides like WBA, I just wish we had a Zlatan type player to give it back.
I'm more than happy for him to go around bullying defences, never forget that 3-2 game at Upton Park last year. We got absolutely bullied all game long, would never happen this season with Zlatan/Pogba and Bailly brought into the team.
I'm more than happy for him to go around bullying defences, never forget that 3-2 game at Upton Park last year. We got absolutely bullied all game long, would never happen this season with Zlatan/Pogba and Bailly brought into the team.
I was going to post this in match day thread (maybe even did), as thought peno was more hands involved. Likewise Herrera gave away a freekick in first few minutes for far less contact.
The daily mail are reporting rondon wont face any action as panel of refs couldnt decide if it was worthy of ban. They then go on to say how Zlatan wont face any further action either as the ref saw it and dealt with it. Why even bring up Zlatan incident then as it wasn't referred to the panel.
Imagine noble trying to carry a united player of the pitch with any of those players, especially Zlatan, or even jones on the pitch. That would be fun to see. Do it noble, make it happen in next game v west ham so we can see how much you shit yourself.
Yup, remember the game at Upton park in 2012/2013 where Carroll basically American football tackled De Gea very early on and got away with it. That was ok because hes 'a proper English centre forward' which was one of the excuses at the time.
The problem is that there are far more ABU's out there than there are Man Utd fans. The media caters to the majority. Making us look bad sells papers.
Talking about Upton Park. The trouble outside the ground last year was our fault for not getting there earlier.
Just see them blame us again if there is trouble there when we play them this year.
You do know Upton Park has been partially demolished and West Ham don't play there.
Didn't we rock up to Crystal Palace 15 mins before kick off? No idea how we can't plan our trips to London better..
I have no idea why you keep quoting me to argue, I don't think either were reds. Bored saying it now.
Until right now I thought the idea of generation snowflake was nonsense. Hate towards us is nothing compared to 10 or15 years ago. Youse sensitive little souls should pray we don't win a few leagues on the trot.
Never a red card,it shouldnt even be a discussion.
He went in hard but had his arms down and there was no elbows so a yellow was fair.
He went in hard but had his arms down and there was no elbows so a yellow was fair.
I've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about