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He just called the media the enemy of the American people...

Deleted an initial tweet that missed a few of them off and called them "sick"!

Hope those founders knew what they were doing when they dictator-proofed the system, because he dearly wants to be one.
 

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Bolded the important parts. He received fewer votes than the person he beat. He got significant help with his help that calls into question the actual election results. And he's well beyond reason. Also a hallmark of a real democracy is to be able to challenge decisions without fear. Each and everyone if we so desire.

p.s. the biggest whinger is 45! Has he had a whinge-free day?
But that is the system in the US - he didn't design it. A similar thing can happen in the U.K., and many other countries.
 

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Breitbart went at Jake Tapper....


His response....


It is getting toxic...Tapper isn't a hack, but here he is openly warring...
 

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Where the feck do you do you live? Just because you win an election doesn't mean that's the end of it. If the president had a D next to his name he would have been impeached on any one of the dozens of horrible shit this guy had done in a month. This country has checks and balances that seem to be working and along with the media doing there job it seems to be making trump more unhinged. He lost the popular by over 3 million yet won the election on an 80,000 margin in the EC, not a great example of a democracy. By the way, fear and uncertainty on my families future is not whingeing, the cheek.
I'm just saying, if you live in a democracy you have to live with the will of the people, on whatever basis of election the country has decided on. You won't always get the person you personally voted for. I wish he hadn't won as well but he did.

I just think that if people use this to undermine democracy then the next President could be a lot more dangerous than this guy.
 

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Breitbart went at Jake Tapper....


His response....


It is getting toxic...Tapper isn't a hack, but here he is openly warring...
I think Tapper's comment this week, "Stop whining and get to work", was the most apt of the presidency so far.
 

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Who decides what's in reason? And how long do we have to wait until our leaders step out of line enough that we can start talking again?

Btw, telling people it's un-democratic to disagree with those elected is very...well, misguided.
It's a dangerous path - I'm not saying you or anyone in particular but some people seem to be implying, or straight out saying, that he shouldn't be President even though he was elected as such.
 

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I'm just saying, if you live in a democracy you have to live with the will of the people, on whatever basis of election the country has decided on. You won't always get the person you personally voted for. I wish he hadn't won as well but he did.

I just think that if people use this to undermine democracy then the next President could be a lot more dangerous than this guy.
Big problem there. There was far more significant undermining during the election by foreign powers and the FBI director than any group of people protesting.
 

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The thing is that the people who didn't vote for Trump have a right to disagree with his policies, they have a right to disagree with every single things he tries to propose, the people who voted for him have the right to not agree with every single thing he does and they even have the right to change their minds.

Democracy isn't based on a "shut up I won" type of mentality, the winner is supposed to represent everyone and he is supposed to compromise and make things better for everyone.
No, you're right and maybe I shouldn't have said about "whingeing" - I didn't mean it like it seems to have been taken. Of course he must be held to account.

I am talking more about the people who see, to be saying or implying that he shouldn't be POTUS despite winning the election.
 

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You're going to have illegal immigration in lots of if not all developed countries, regardless of the system that's in place.

The US is peculiar because to my knowledge the system that is in place is particularly difficult.
So of course you'll get people cheating the system, especially when the land is so big and it shares borders with other countries which are easily accessible.

If the illegals aren't breaking the law, are contributing to the economy why can't they stay? America is the land of the free and built on the backs of millions of immigrants.
Because most of them don't pay taxes but some are on welfare for example. They need to go after the people who hires them and pay cash - landscaping and construction companies are guilty.
 

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No, you're right and maybe I shouldn't have said about "whingeing" - I didn't mean it like it seems to have been taken. Of course he must be held to account.

I am talking more about the people who see, to be saying or implying that he shouldn't be POTUS despite winning the election.
You don't think they have a point considering the influence that was brought to bear on the election and the fact that more of them voted for his rival than for him?
 

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Because most of them don't pay taxes but some are on welfare for example. They need to go after the people who hires them and pay cash - landscaping and construction companies are guilty.
Wait, illegals are supposed to not be in the system, they can't legally access to welfare. At least not if the system respects its own rules.
 

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:lol: He's decided to take on the one group no politician can afford to take on.

This bodes well for the eventual destruction of the GOP. :drool:
He's managed to piss off the media, the judiciary, and the intelligence community - all in the space of 4 weeks. I somehow doubt that's a good strategy.
 

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He's managed to piss off the media, the judiciary, and the intelligence community - all in the space of 4 weeks. I somehow doubt that's a good strategy.
He seems to think the electoral college elected him as the dictator.
 

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Because most of them don't pay taxes but some are on welfare for example. They need to go after the people who hires them and pay cash - landscaping and construction companies are guilty.
illegal Mexicans are less likely to engage in violent crime, less likely to be on welfare and far less likely to be unemployed compared to their US counter-parts.
 

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Should be but is not like that.
What is not like that? To access welfare you need to be at the very least a resident, if the administration does its work the illegals either become legals or they don't access to welfare.

I'm not telling you that it doesn't happen because I know that states don't respect their own rules and then blame everyone but themselves, I'm just saying that legally it can't happen.
 

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He just called the media the enemy of the American people...

:lol: He's literally going to run out of characters on Twitter soon if he carries on. If he adds a few more agencies to the list he's fecked.

Wait, illegals are supposed to not be in the system, they can't legally access to welfare. At least not if the system respects its own rules.
Seriously don't fall for Barros's scaremongering and propaganda. Yeah there is a small percentage of illegal immigrants who slip through the net and claim some form of benefits, but 1. They are often in desperate need, 2. It's a tiny percentage about 2 or 3% at most 3. It's hard enough for anyone in the US to get benefits let alone illegal immigrants.
 

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I'm just saying, if you live in a democracy you have to live with the will of the people, on whatever basis of election the country has decided on. You won't always get the person you personally voted for. I wish he hadn't won as well but he did.

I just think that if people use this to undermine democracy then the next President could be a lot more dangerous than this guy.
The problem is actually the contrary in my opinion, that successive administrations and their concurrent congresses have made the President too powerful. Obama is also to blame in this.

"The will of the people" does not mean the implementation of a temporary dictator until the next election roles around. There are 3 equal branches, of which the legislative is arguably supposed to be the preeminent one. The President can do whatever the office is allowed to do, within the limits of the law and no further. Recently that included that he could not infringe upon the rights of green card holders and others. Congress though, by a large enough majority can possibly change the immigration laws.
 

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The problem is actually the contrary in my opinion, that successive administrations and their concurrent congresses have made the President too powerful. Obama is also to blame in this.

"The will of the people" does not mean the implementation of a temporary dictator until the next election roles around. There are 3 equal branches, of which the legislative is arguably supposed to be the preeminent one. The President can do whatever the office is allowed to do, within the limits of the law and no further. Recently that included that he could not infringe upon the rights of green card holders and others. Congress though, by a large enough majority can possibly change the immigration laws.
Agree. The checks and balances are in place, which is good.
 

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Even Fox News been doing their own digging on this story :eek:

John Roberts says during questioning by white house counsel, Flynn had a "full recollection" of the calls with the ambassador. This was after telling FBI agents he was unsure if sanctions were talked about.

Fox aren't known for their investigative reporting of the Republican Party. So why this? Impeach Trump to get President Pence?
 

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In four weeks, he has already thrown the office of the POTUS into the gutter. I've never seen anything like this. If this was a movie, people would have called it unrealistic.
 

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Fox aren't known for their investigative reporting of the Republican Party. So why this? Impeach Trump to get President Pence?
Because (as many here have predicted) it's now gone too far and he's fast becoming indefensible and toxic even to Fox News. Freelance wankers like Hannity will still be able to ignore it all and promote their hate driven agenda bullshite, but the actual news side of Fox will have to start attacking him and picking him apart because only the seriously uneducated and very stupid or deluded won't be able to see the truth. Everyone else can see it, and they will be questioning why Fox isn't reporting on it. Yes a lot of their viewers are stupid, but many aren't, and if they want to be taken even the tiniest bit seriously they have to report properly. Also, they will be taking offence to all the constant fake news attacks, it will upset any true journalist which is why Shep Smith and Chris Wallace are hitting back hard.
 

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You have to separate the news part of FoxNews with the pundit/entertainment part (Hannity, Carlson, O'Reilly, Fox & Friends etc). The news part is more aligned with journalism, albeit with Murdoch's preferred editorial slant. They are however pretty good and have a lot of journos from other networks working for them. John Roberts, Bill Hemmer, and Chris Wallace for example, all used to work for CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS. Its mainly O'Reilly and Hannity that are the main pro-Trump agitators.
 

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BTW - Its pretty clear what Trump's strategy is with the presser and recent tweets. It's likely a Bannon inspired preemptive policy of delegitimizing the media so that when the eventual bad news on Russia hits the streets, his core supporters will either not believe it or be neutral about it.
 

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I sometimes post on reddit and today someone finally replied to one of my crappy posts! The problem is I have no idea if what this guy said is legit or not, what would you say?

My post was:
The administration (the GOP) is so short sighted, they want to reduce H1B visas but they also want to do away with the DoE So the quality of education goes down and more H1B visas will be required
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There is no evidence that DoE improves education, if anything our education has gotten worse with it.

Look, federal funds are less than 10 percent of elementary and secondary education spending. Cities and states pay the rest. But while federal funding is modest, The governments influence is not. Title 20, the corpus of federal education laws, runs more than 1,000 pages. The Department of Education spends $70 billion each year and issues books of regulations and policy guidance, spelling out in exacting detail what states, cities and schools must do to keep the federal funds coming. And with that leverage, federal education policy has metastasized. I'm just not a believer that the federal government has improved education when the states and cities are way more responsible anyways.
 

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Ugh, I was listening to a podcast a few weeks about a guy who has worked for 20 years to get that bill past after his community was destroyed by coal mining. Obama passed it as one of his last acts but this guy was gutted, he knew all about the Congressional Repeals Act that lets any new president rip up recent regulations, whats worse is that it makes it almost impossible for this or any similar regulation to be passed in the future.
The right dont give a feck about the future or how it affects everyone. The US is poisoning its waters just like it did with its food chain.
 
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