Roy Keane KO'D Heinze

[royboy16]

Surprised this wasnt mentioned and if this was actually true?

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/12/forme...y-keane-once-knocked-him-unconscious-6703388/

Roy Keane is famous for his short temper and a former Manchester United team-mate has revealed precisely why he commands such a notorious reputation.
Former Old Trafford favourite Gabriel Heinze has told how he was once knocked out by the Manchester United captain after daring to cross him.

After a defeat the Argentinean told Keane to ‘f*** off’. It was a terrible mistake.
‘We lost a game and I went in the dressing room first and Roy Keane was second. I liked to go first after the game; I didn’t want to speak to anyone as we lost,’ said the former defender.
‘I didn’t understand English, just the bad words. I heard my name and “f*** off” by Roy Keane, the best player.
‘I knew that was bad so I stood up to him, this idol of Manchester, this great guy who everyone loved, and replied: “F*** off, you”. I don’t remember what happened next.’


During the interview with Argentinian television he was asked if that was because he was knocked out, to which he replied: ‘Yes. Yes.’

Heinze spent three years at Manchester United during which he won the Premier League title. However he grew frustrated at a lack of playing time and after flirting with a move to Liverpool eventually left for Real Madrid.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

He boxed amateur as a kid. Always thought he should have been a boxer. Very suited to that sport.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Good. Heinze the scouse wannabe.

 

[red4ever 79]

Legendary was Keane. Absolutely ruled the dressing room with an iron fist

 

[Keeps It tidy]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...trates-the-mindset-of-a-warrior-35711426.html

Beswick, who worked with England, Derby, Middlesbrough and Sunderland, was at United between 1999 and 2001 saw firsthand what a competitor Keane was.

"The first day I went to Manchester United, I was watching eight versus eight possession," he said

"Roy Keane - who's a warrior, not just an athlete, not just a competitor but a warrior, the mindset of a warrior - his team have got possession.

"Denis Irwin has got the ball. He's looking up, he's trapped, he's going to lose the ball. Roy Keane makes a beautiful run and signals 'Denis!' where he wants the ball. Denis doesn't see him, doesn't hear him, doesn't respond and loses the ball.

"Roy Keane ran 40 yards to challenge his teammate: 'Get your head up.' I was shocked.

"I was stood next to Alex Ferguson, the manager of Manchester United. He said son, 'Now you know why we win on a Saturday. We win on a Saturday because we have the mindset to train every day."

 

[Sterling Archer]

Probably knew Heinze would push for a Liverpool before the rest of us.

 

[devilish]

I wonder if Keano was such a bully among the likes of Cantona, Brucey, Ince and Hughes

 

[Rado_N]

Just makes Keane sound like a prick to be honest.

 

[El Zoido]

I wonder if Keano was such a bully among the likes of Cantona, Brucey, Ince and Hughes

Probably gave it a go. He was the one scrapping with Schmeichel that one time at a hotel wasn't he? When Fergie came and gave them a bollocking for waking Sir Bobby up.

 

[arthurka]

Good Heinze was a wa....

 

[Red Dreams]

Legendary was Keane. Absolutely ruled the dressing room with an iron fist

almost singlehandedly won us matches at times.

We will never see a better midfield player.

 

[Ole90+3]

Just makes Keane sound like a prick to be honest.

He was/is a prick. But some of the qualities that made/makes him that also made him one of the best captains and midfielders of United's history.

 

[Red Dreams]

I wonder if Keano was such a bully among the likes of Cantona, Brucey, Ince and Hughes

Cantona was captain at the time. He made a poor pass. Keane gave him a earful.

 

[devilish]

Probably gave it a go. He was the one scrapping with Schmeichel that one time at a hotel wasn't he? When Fergie came and gave them a bollocking for waking Sir Bobby up.

Schmeichel was a coward according to Parker.

 

[devilish]

Cantona was captain at the time. He made a poor pass. Keane gave him a earful.

But would he actually lift his hands on him?

Seriously guys, this attitude looks nice on some Marvel movie (Logan?) but it really is a poor way of managing adults. There were many captains around who did a great job without the need to hammer people like some 12 year old bully.

 

[RC89]

Schmeichel was a coward according to Parker.

Even Keano didn't like him

 

[Red Dreams]

But would he actually lift his hands on him?

Seriously guys, this attitude looks nice on some Marvel movie (Logan?) but it really is a poor way of managing adults. There were many captains around who did a great job without the need to hammer people like some 12 year old bully.

why would he need to?

Heinze was a prick and deserved what he got.
Keane was all United as was Cantona.
They respected each other.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/keane-wrath-revisited-by-blomqvist-1-1411669

"For Keane, though, his tournament ended with that game. I hit a pass to him that was intercepted by one of the Juventus players, and Roy felt he had to make a tackle on Zinedine Zidane to stop him starting a counter-attack. He was yellow-carded, and knew there and then that he would miss the final. I remember his eyes when he looked at me after that tackle.

" 'It's your f***ing fault that I'm going to miss the final,' he said. It was tough to hear, of course, but I didn't care too much. That was the way he worked. Things were never his fault."

Blomqvist insisted that he was not the only one to blame for the moment that cast a shadow over Keane's United career: after inspiring his team against Juventus, Keane had to sit out the final against Bayern Munich in Barcelona. After late goals from Teddy Sheringham and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer won the game for United, it was Peter Schmeichel, and not Keane, who went up to lift the famous trophy.

"I have seen the incident which led to the booking on TV since then," Blomqvist continues. "It was a bad pass by me, I admit that, but it was also a bad first touch by Keane. Also, it was in the middle of the pitch, and there were still a lot of players who could have covered that Juventus attack.

"Keane kept talking about it for a few weeks afterwards. Then it turned into a running joke, and he always referred to it during my time at Old Trafford. I can understand it in a way. The game we had just qualified for was the biggest game of our careers."

 

[SirAF]

Scenes if it had happened today

 

[GBBQ]

But would he actually lift his hands on him?

Seriously guys, this attitude looks nice on some Marvel movie (Logan?) but it really is a poor way of managing adults. There were many captains around who did a great job without the need to hammer people like some 12 year old bully.

I think the trophy cabinet during Keane's reign say a lot about his effectiveness. Don't doubt he is hugely flawed but he drove the team on to bigger and better things. The player who lasted only speak in the highest of regard about Keane, those that left might have a dig but never did better for doing so.

 

[devilish]

He was/is a prick. But some of the qualities that made/makes him that also made him one of the best captains and midfielders of United's history.

There's no doubt that he was a magnificent midfielder and that goes without saying irrespective of attitude. But knocking team mates around is not what good captains would do. You would never see the likes of Zanetti, Maldini or Baresi doing that. Also note that he never goes for the tough people (ie the Vinnie Joneses, the Paul Inces or the RVNs). He either scare the shit out of the Cleverley/the Nevilles or go toe to toe against Schmiechel (Parker called him a coward). So seriously, I don't buy this 'tough guy' mentality.

 

[SirAF]

There's no doubt that he was a magnificent midfielder and that goes without saying irrespective of attitude. But knocking team mates around is not what good captains would do. You would never see the likes of Zanetti, Maldini or Baresi doing that. Also note that he never goes for the tough people (ie the Vinnie Joneses, the Paul Inces or the RVNs). He either scare the shit out of the Cleverley/the Nevilles or go toe to toe against Schmiechel (Parker called him a coward). So seriously, I don't buy this 'tough guy' mentality.

Tbf, he did go after Vieira.

 

[FujiVice]

I wonder if Keano was such a bully among the likes of Cantona, Brucey, Ince and Hughes

Pallister and Keane never spoke to each other again after a falling out. Pallister took a swing at him and broke his watch in a chinese takeaway when Keane was being a drunk nob, and from then on Pallister wanted nothing to do with him. Make no mistake, he was a serial winner, but he was a dickhead off the pitch as well as on it during those days. I'm all for Keane being a warrior on the pitch, but there is no need to be a cnut to a senior player off the field for no reason.

 

[devilish]

why would he need to?

Heinze was a prick and deserved what he got.
Keane was all United as was Cantona.
They respected each other.

RVN was a prick too but he never really lift 1 finger against him. Same with Ince.

 

[devilish]

Tbf, he did go after Vieira.

Vieira is a tough player not a tough man

 

[devilish]

Pallister and Keane never spoke to each other again after a falling out. Pallister took a swing at him and broke his watch in a chinese takeaway when Keane was being a drunk nob, and from then on Pallister wanted nothing to do with him. Make no mistake, he was a serial winner, but he was a dickhead off the pitch as well as on it during those days. I'm all for Keane being a warrior on the pitch, but there is no need to be a cnut to a senior player off the field for no reason.

what a captain

 

[SirAF]

Vieira is a tough player not a tough man

 

[devilish]

I think the trophy cabinet during Keane's reign say a lot about his effectiveness. Don't doubt he is hugely flawed but he drove the team on to bigger and better things. The player who lasted only speak in the highest of regard about Keane, those that left might have a dig but never did better for doing so.

I disagree. We won the lot because we had top quality players who were eager to win. You only have to hear an interview of the class of 92 or any player who played around that era to notice that. They seem to be snapping for an other chance of going out on the pitch and win. I guess Keane's bullying had it uses else SAF wouldn't have closed an eye on it. However that small fire would later on turn into a blaze and risk burning the whole thing down. Bullies tend to be bad leaders.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

There's no doubt that he was a magnificent midfielder and that goes without saying irrespective of attitude. But knocking team mates around is not what good captains would do. You would never see the likes of Zanetti, Maldini or Baresi doing that. Also note that he never goes for the tough people (ie the Vinnie Joneses, the Paul Inces or the RVNs). He either scare the shit out of the Cleverley/the Nevilles or go toe to toe against Schmiechel (Parker called him a coward). So seriously, I don't buy this 'tough guy' mentality.

Are you really saying that Heinze and Schmikes were not tough players whereas RVN was!?

 

[TonyMarshall]

This devilish is a right fanny.

 

[devilish]

Some can be one and not the other. Take the likes of Phil or Butt. On the pitch they will fight for every inch of pitch but out of it they are big softies. Scholes is also like that. He's timid out of the pitch but on his pitch his 'inability to tackle' tend to put him into trouble.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Just makes Keane sound like a prick to be honest.

Agreed. Keane was a great player but seems an absolute bellend as a human being.

All the keyboard warriors saying it's great that a bloke punches a colleague who stands up to him need to have a word with himself.

 

[Bwuk]

Tbf, he did go after Vieira.

I reckon if push had come to shove Vieira would of battered Keane.

Keane was a bully.

 

[Ish]

Legendary was Keane. Absolutely ruled the dressing room with an iron fist

This - no pun intended

Good. Heinze the scouse wannabe.

This

 

[Bwuk]

Agreed. Keane was a great player but seems an absolute bellend as a human being.

All the keyboard warriors saying it's great that a bloke punches a colleague who stands up to him need to have a word with himself.

Exactly. I'd imagine half of them would be straight down to their HR department if that happened to them at their work.

 

[devilish]

Are you really saying that Heinze and Schmikes were not tough players whereas RVN was!?

Schmeichel is labelled by Parker as a coward. Heinze on the other hand is mercenary (SAF words not mine). Players who are in football only for the money would never risk it by pissing off a psycho

Ruud was a 6ft3 taekwando black belt

 

[GBBQ]

I disagree. We won the lot because we had top quality players who were eager to win. You only have to hear an interview of the class of 92 or any player who played around that era to notice that. They seem to be snapping for an other chance of going out on the pitch and win. I guess Keane's bullying had it uses else SAF wouldn't have closed an eye on it. However that small fire would later on turn into a blaze and risk burning the whole thing down. Bullies tend to be bad leaders.

What about SAF's hairdryer treament or kicking a boot that hit beckham in the eye.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Schmeichel is labelled by Parker as a coward. Heinze on the other hand is mercenary (SAF words not mine). Players who are in football only for the money would never risk it by pissing off a psycho

Parker talks pure crap all the time.

 

[SirAF]

I reckon if push had come to shove Vieira would of battered Keane.

Keane was a bully.

I'm not saying Keane was not a bully, but I doubt Vieira would have had him. Keane was a former boxer and raised in Cork.. also a crazy bastard!

 

[devilish]

What about SAF's hairdryer treament or kicking a boot that hit beckham in the eye.

SAF is a manager. Its only fair to shout at his own people. The latter was a geniune mistake which SAF apologised afterwards. SAF kicked a boot and it ended up on Beckham's eye.

I've read SAF autobiography a couple of times and I can't help feeling that the man feel he mismanaged Keane. An older SAF would certainly not allowed Keane to act the way he did.