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07/08 for me. Only thing missing from that side was an world class right back.
In all other positions we had players that could have played for any team in the world.
 

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I would go with 2007/08 as the best team I have seen.

Then it's a toss up between 1999 and 1994...both exceptional in different ways.

The 1976 team was brilliant to watch but lacked 2-3 players to be a great team.

The 1968 team was past it's best although it won the European Cup...as illustrated with such a quick decline. Law was at his peak in about 1965-1967 as was Herd, Charlton, Crerand, Stiles and others
A lot of the swift decline came from Busby's failure to adapt to the 4-2-4 era. That game still remains one of (if not the) greatest games that United have played in my lifetime. Wonderful stuff.
 

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Does anyone know what the most common line-ups were for the teams in these seasons? In particular the 07/08 side seemed to change every week. Also IIRC in 1999 Giggs, Becks, Scholes and Keane midfield played rather rarely.
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Butt featured a lot, as well as Blomqvist. But overall over the 3 year period between 1999 and 2001, the lineup was definitely Giggs Scholes Keane Beckham.

I'd give my left bollock to have that lineup feature for us this coming season.
 

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Butt featured a lot, as well as Blomqvist. But overall over the 3 year period between 1999 and 2001, the lineup was definitely Giggs Scholes Keane Beckham.

I'd give my left bollock to have that lineup feature for us this coming season.
3 out of the 4 as academy products makes it all the more sweeter aswell. Especially for a country that doesn't produce as much talent compared to Germany, Italy and Spain.
 

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The GBSK midfield started about a quarter of the games that season. Beckham and Keane each started 53/63 but Giggs and Scholes were pretty sporadic.
Wasn't it most often-

Giggs-Butt-Keane-Beckham
Or Beckham-Keane-Scholes-Blomqvist. Essentially, Scholes and Butt just about split the starts as did Giggs and Blomqvist.
 

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Not at all, that side didn't have the ability to dominate other European heavyweights in the manner that those two teams did. The contrast can be seen in the semi finals of each CL win; Bayern made a complete mockery of Barcelona, whilst we were holding out for a 1-0 win against one of their weakest sides in recent history.
Good point. I don't think however Real Madrid could dominate like that either. Apart from that 4/0 win at Bayern few years back, I can't ever remembering annihilating a top team even of the level of Dortmund or City, let alone the big heavyweights. Sure they had some impressive scorelines like the Juve final but that was hardly a dominant display the way Barcelona and as you rightly point out Bayern 2013 could produce. About Bayern, I agree that at their best (latter part of the 2013 season) they were the closest thing we have seen to Barcelona but we were more consistent than them in our dominance period which is why I think overall it evens itself out.
 

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Butt featured a lot, as well as Blomqvist. But overall over the 3 year period between 1999 and 2001, the lineup was definitely Giggs Scholes Keane Beckham.

I'd give my left bollock to have that lineup feature for us this coming season.
In 99-00 it was mostly BKSG. In 00-01, Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Giggs and Butt pretty much shared the starts (with Beckham and Keane being used a little more heavily).
 

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2007/08 with 1998/1999 being close second. I think I watched all the games in 07/08 so that's cause it's first on my list. :)
 

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Not at all, that side didn't have the ability to dominate other European heavyweights in the manner that those two teams did. The contrast can be seen in the semi finals of each CL win; Bayern made a complete mockery of Barcelona, whilst we were holding out for a 1-0 win against one of their weakest sides in recent history.
We didn't have to. On the other hand, few sides had the defensive solidity that our 2008 team had. I don't think the ability to put 5 or 1 past your opponent matters much.
 

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A lot of the swift decline came from Busby's failure to adapt to the 4-2-4 era. That game still remains one of (if not the) greatest games that United have played in my lifetime. Wonderful stuff.
It was a lot to do with players too.

Brennan was already past his best and only used because Burns was injured in the final few games of the season. Foulkes was certainly past his best and retired not long afterwards. The older players were all heading in the wrong direction and I would never call Stepney a world class keeper.

We played 4-2-4 in the late 1950's and 1960's so I think Busby was OK with that set up...but he normally played 4-3-3 with the players at his disposal in the mid-late 1960's. He left in 1969 anyway so the fact we fell away was a result of a range of factors not just tactics.

The 1968 Cup Final was a great game and no argument from me there. Funnily enough having watched the game recently...our defenders hardly saw any of the ball with Brennan almost non-existent.
 

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The greatest? 1999. My favourite? 1994.
 

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It was a lot to do with players too.

Brennan was already past his best and only used because Burns was injured in the final few games of the season. Foulkes was certainly past his best and retired not long afterwards. The older players were all heading in the wrong direction and I would never call Stepney a world class keeper.

We played 4-2-4 in the late 1950's and 1960's so I think Busby was OK with that set up...but he normally played 4-3-3 with the players at his disposal in the mid-late 1960's. He left in 1969 anyway so the fact we fell away was a result of a range of factors not just tactics.

The 1968 Cup Final was a great game and no argument from me there. Funnily enough having watched the game recently...our defenders hardly saw any of the ball with Brennan almost non-existent.
I would disagree with this. My memory is strongly of a traditional W formation most of the time - particularly in the late 50's but also through the 60's. One of the funnier aspects of the overall transition from W to 4-2-4 in football in general was the United team sheet that ITV put up at the start of the 68 Final. They carefully arranged the players in a 4-2-4 formation that bore no relation to what we actually did on the pitch (Wikipedia show it as a 4-3-3 which is even more bizarre). Sadler was listed at centreback alongside Foulkes when, as we all know, he actually played at inside right (an attacking midfielder in modern parlance).
 

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In terms of balance, team play, athleticism and overall football, the 99 team is something else entirely.

It is one of the greatest teams of all time.
 

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Think the team we had the three seasons 2006/2007- 2008-2009 was great sides. Won 3 league titles in years in which Premier league clubs dominated in Europe. 1 CL title, 1 final and one semifinal. 1 League cup title.

Could have even won more those years. We totally dominated Portsmouth in the Fa cup quarter final, but still managed to not score and got knocked out. All the other big teams was already out then and so we would have had great chance to win it. Then you have a tough Fa cup final defeat on top of that and being knocked out on penalties against Everton.

Ronaldo of course being a key to these years. Rooney being great as well. Carrick fantastic in midfield. Van der sar, Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra making up a fantastic defensive unit and great experience in legends like Giggs and Scholes.
Players like Fletcher, Anderson, Nani, Park adding needed qualities to the midfield. Berbatov and Tevez giving extra attacking edge as well.


Which season was the peak might be harder to say. 2007/2008 I guess, but we were very strong the season after as well.
 

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Will be 1956, 1968, 1994, 1999, 2008 as the top 5.

2008 is the best team. As much as I sometimes don't want to admit Ronaldo as a United 'legend' it's probably the best season from any United player ever. Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic were the best players in their position at the time. Rooney and Tevez were just absolutely world class. Loved Tevez was such a shame how it ended with him...such a quality player. We should have won the treble that year and the 'clean sweep' was on for the year after but obviously Barcelona and that crazy Fergie team selection v Everton stopped that.

1999 was a perfect team but 2006-2009 was the period where you really felt United were the envy of any team in the world, and had the best player in the world. So yeah, I would say 2008.
 

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I don't really see how anyone could say the 99 side was better than the 08 side without bringing the romanticism of the treble into it and the fact that it's a more "legendary" and defining season for the club as a whole. The 08 side was simply better in almost every aspect, except maybe the midfield.
I'm inclined to go with the '08 side too. They were just so strong all over. However, what the '99 side has over the '08 side is the relentless will to win that dragged us across the line on so many occasions. On paper, I'd say the '08 side would win, but you wouldn't be able to rule out the '99 side. They just refused to accept defeat. They were the embodiment of Fergie.
 

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I would disagree with this. My memory is strongly of a traditional W formation most of the time - particularly in the late 50's but also through the 60's. One of the funnier aspects of the overall transition from W to 4-2-4 in football in general was the United team sheet that ITV put up at the start of the 68 Final. They carefully arranged the players in a 4-2-4 formation that bore no relation to what we actually did on the pitch (Wikipedia show it as a 4-3-3 which is even more bizarre). Sadler was listed at centreback alongside Foulkes when, as we all know, he actually played at inside right (an attacking midfielder in modern parlance).
Totally agree with the 1968 tactical formation. Wikipedia have got it totally wrong.

Many years ago I interviewed Dennis Viollet and also Ernie Ackerley who said that Busby was very influenced by Brazils 4-2-4 formation in the World Cup and they used to practice it in training. In 1958/59 and 1959/60 Busby often played a 334 as a variation of Brazils formation. Dennis told me that he, Albert Quixall and Bobby Charlton used to almost take turns at dropping deeper to make it a front four rather than a front five. They would then play with either Stiles/Setters/Nicholson or whoever the other midfielders were in a midfield two or three depending upon if they were attacking or defending.

Dennis said Matt was very tactically astute but never got any credit because everyone just thought he played off the cuff. In Charlie Mitten's book, he also commented on Busby's tactical strength particularly with the attacking playersin the team from the late 1940's.

I think the big question that I have never found the answer to is when did we start playing four at the back...seems to be around 1962/1963/1964.

In a report by Wilf McGuinness for the FA in 1967 (which was printed in the March 1967 FA Newsletter), Wilf mentioned that United had been playing a flat back four with Stepney, Dunne, Noble, Foulkes and Stiles with a midfield three of Crerand, Charlton and Best and a forward line of Herd, Law and Aston. David Herd was almost used as a right winger.

As George matured as a player he eventually took over from Herd on the right wing and his goals ratio improved dramatically once he was pushed up front.

The report went on to say that for many games in the 1966/67 season we actually played 4123 formation with Crerand slightly behind Charlton and Best in midfield but predominantly it was just a variation of 433.
 

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07-11 was one of the great European sides and the only reason there isn't more fanfare about that team is because unfortunately for us it coincided with arguably the best club side of all time, Barcelona then.

What was it? 3 CL finals in 4 years or something? could have been the first team to get the CL back to back as well, but Barcelona got in the way :mad:

feck me, what a team. Def the best United side
 

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The 93/94 team would have probably won a Champions League if not for the 3 foreigner rule which meant we could only pick 3 from Schmeichel, Irwin, Kanchelskis, Keane, Giggs, Cantona, Hughes and McClair.

Squad wise it's hard to argue with The Treble and 06-09 teams as we were genuinely packed out with quality throughout but I can't not go with the team from the early to mid 90's as my own personal favourite.
 

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It's unfortunate we were up against the best Barca side of all time or we would have a few more CLs to reflect the teams true quality.
 

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Greatest: 2007/8 Squad - complete, strong first team, strong squad players, can beat any teams except I guess Barca.

Most fav: 2006/7 Squad - fun, thrilling, entertaining, finally everything clicks start to end.

Season 1990s, too young, can't remember.
 

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I'd say 07/08 team was the best. Even the weaker positions like rb and cm had players like Brown and Fletcher performing above their level. Incredible attack and defence. Earlier teams in the 50s and 60s played so differently. Despite some incredible individual talent in those teams I much prefer the more modern approach, so I would have those teams lower just for that really. 93/94 was our 2nd best imo. As others mentioned, we were restricted in Europe by the regulations. Without those regulations we could definitely have won a treble that season. 98/99 squad had weaknesses tbh, like Johnsen at cb. There was also a bit too much rotation imo. Difficult to pinpoint a definitive first xi for that season. While a similar point could probably be made for 07/08, I do feel like the rotation was down to having a stronger squad all round to give each player more chance to rest rather than rotating due to uncertainty over the strongest team.
 

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07/08... curious how that squad would do against current Bayern/real/Barca
 

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Totally agree with the 1968 tactical formation. Wikipedia have got it totally wrong.

Many years ago I interviewed Dennis Viollet and also Ernie Ackerley who said that Busby was very influenced by Brazils 4-2-4 formation in the World Cup and they used to practice it in training. In 1958/59 and 1959/60 Busby often played a 334 as a variation of Brazils formation. Dennis told me that he, Albert Quixall and Bobby Charlton used to almost take turns at dropping deeper to make it a front four rather than a front five. They would then play with either Stiles/Setters/Nicholson or whoever the other midfielders were in a midfield two or three depending upon if they were attacking or defending.

Dennis said Matt was very tactically astute but never got any credit because everyone just thought he played off the cuff. In Charlie Mitten's book, he also commented on Busby's tactical strength particularly with the attacking playersin the team from the late 1940's.

I think the big question that I have never found the answer to is when did we start playing four at the back...seems to be around 1962/1963/1964.

In a report by Wilf McGuinness for the FA in 1967 (which was printed in the March 1967 FA Newsletter), Wilf mentioned that United had been playing a flat back four with Stepney, Dunne, Noble, Foulkes and Stiles with a midfield three of Crerand, Charlton and Best and a forward line of Herd, Law and Aston. David Herd was almost used as a right winger.

As George matured as a player he eventually took over from Herd on the right wing and his goals ratio improved dramatically once he was pushed up front.

The report went on to say that for many games in the 1966/67 season we actually played 4123 formation with Crerand slightly behind Charlton and Best in midfield but predominantly it was just a variation of 433.
Great stuff.

A query, if you don't mind. How often did Law play as the center forward and did he play the centre forward role more often or the inside left/right role?
 

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What year was the one with Hughes and Cantona up front? That was my favourite. I am too young to remember the Busby Babes although my Dad thinks they were the best. Don't think it will be the 68 team.

Edit - think it was 93/94 I'm thinking of.

Schmeichel
Parker Pallister Bruce Irwin
Kanchelskis Keane Ince Giggs
Hughes Cantona

Bench options included Robson, G.Nev, Beckham, Scholes, McClair, Sharpe, Butt, Phelan, Blackmore, Sealey.
Beckham and Scholes had zero appearances that season and were still a ways off first team status. Butt and Gary had one league appearance each. Dublin featured more than all four combined. Little known appearances: Ferguson (1+2), Martin (1), McKee (1), Thornley (1)
 

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There was just an aura about the 1999 team. Even when we were 2-0 down to Juve I never believed we would lose. Same in the final. They didn't know they were beaten at any time :D
 

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07/08... curious how that squad would do against current Bayern/real/Barca
I'd say it was definitely better than the current Barca team anyway. Outside of their front 3 that team isn't that great anymore. Bayern and Real would definitely be interesting battles
 

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I don't really see how anyone could say the 99 side was better than the 08 side without bringing the romanticism of the treble into it and the fact that it's a more "legendary" and defining season for the club as a whole. The 08 side was simply better in almost every aspect, except maybe the midfield.
The 99 side is one of our most balanced sides ever, each position had a player perfect for that role. The midfield is as good as it gets and in front of them the strikers were one of the greatest strike partnerships ever. The only thing you'd really change is make Schmeichel a few years younger. Given the 08 side couldn't put Chelsea away in the CL final and blew it against Portsmouth in the FA Cup while the 99 side went 33 games unbeaten against all-comers suggests to me the mentality of the 99 side was stronger.
 

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1999 side was the best ever. That fa cup run against arsenal, liverpool, chelsea and newcastle in the final was something else and they overcame it. The champions league run was extremely difficult as well and had to overcome a great arsenal side in the league. That team was magical with a small squad and their never say die attitude will never be seen again