Giggs' final meeting as Manchester United's caretaker manager

[TsuWave]

I apologise if there has already been a thread about this, I searched but couldn't find. I just saw this video and I'm shocked at how flat/dead it all was. Was this supposed to rally the troops?

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I hope he's come leaps and bounds from that because I don't see that boding well for the Wales national football team.

 

[Desert Eagle]

It was after a year of Moyes tbf. I'm sure a lot of them were still shattered plus a meaningless game coming up and lots of players futures up in the air.

 

[Green_Red]

I apologise if there has already been a thread about this, I searched but couldn't find. I just saw this video and I'm shocked at how flat/dead it all was. Was this supposed to rally the troops?

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I hope he's come leaps and bounds from that because I don't see that boding well for the Wales national football team.

What did you expect? He's not leading the team up Normandy beach mate.

 

[AndyJ1985]

He just doesn't have any charisma at all

 

[kps88]

I suspect the more traditional motivational speech is delivered in the dressing room before a game away from cameras.

 

[Moby]

He's as passive as every other Welsh man ever.

 

[Joeace2020]

Give me a break! Are you saying he learned nothing from Fergie for over 25+ years? It was a pretty underwhelming season and he was doing the best he could to rally an already deflated team for the final push.

 

[TsuWave]

I suspect the more traditional motivational speech is delivered in the dressing room before a game away from cameras.

yeah, this makes the most sense.

 

[Maradona10]

I guess this is what happens when you always use "Do it for the fans" in football manager.

 

[KM]

I suspect the more traditional motivational speech is delivered in the dressing room before a game away from cameras.

Let's not talk sense here.

 

[Needham]

Boring, too much about tactics.

 

[Oscie]

Why are they all overdressed?

 

[Pexbo]

Jesus that’s hard to watch

 

[haram]

Only good part was where he says fecking city or liverpool are gonna win it

 

[ThomasEmil]

Is there a link to the video, for those of us who got twitter blocked by the work?

 

[sglowrider]

I apologise if there has already been a thread about this, I searched but couldn't find. I just saw this video and I'm shocked at how flat/dead it all was. Was this supposed to rally the troops?

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I hope he's come leaps and bounds from that because I don't see that boding well for the Wales national football team.

Another alternatively, Giggsy could learn from Bob Knight, a legendary College basketball coach's and his halftime rant:

 

[clarkydaz]

Couldnt believe that when i saw the documentry, just added to the farce of the moyes season

 

[Random Task]

The players reaction as they left the meeting said it all, one of utter despondency. Welbeck looked ready to top himself.

 

[red4ever 79]

Completely useless.

 

[red4ever 79]

That Bobby Knight speech was superb. We need more of that I think. Football is too soft these days, players too friendly with the opposition.

 

[Werd.]

'Give our fans something to shout about..erm..ok?'

Jaysus.

 

[SirAF]

«Give our fans something to shout about, fecking city or liverpool are going to win the league. Ehrm, give our fans something to shout about»

 

[ZupZup]

It’s a meaningless team meeting... hardly going to be motivating the troops to storm the beaches. They’re all dressed in suits. If he had any sense, he’d save the more motivational words for the pre-match team talk.

I suspect you’d find similar footage like this of almost every manager.

 

[SER19]

This stuff infuriates me. Really shows how little many average fans have been involved in football at even an amateur adult level.

Firstly, he's hardly going to give them a rollicking in the hotel many many hours before kick off. This is a simple debrief- squad together and getting heads on game. Secondly, even if it was this was an utter dead rubber away at Southampton at the end of the worst season in living memory. Finally, the frequency of any given Sunday, inspirational, spine tingling pre match speeches is almost nil. Not only does it become transparent and ineffective if acted out every week, but many managers also save the high vocal stuff for half times.

Amazes me how many fans are either so ignorant, or unwilling to accept, how mundane so much of the off field stuff is.

 

[SER19]

Another alternatively, Giggsy could learn from Bob Knight, a legendary College basketball coach's and his halftime rant:

Or both of these talks are in completely different contexts. Not remotely comparable beyond a superficial level

 

[crossy1686]

I was listening to a podcast the other day and the host on there regularly mixes with journalists and others in the industry. Anyway, he said that he had it on very good authority that Giggs’ interview at Swansea was an absolute disaster, like seriously bad. Tim Sherewood proportions of bad. We’ll soon see if there’s any truth in that.

 

[Acole9]

Give em something to shout about... err... yeah... just give em something to shout about.

 

[red4ever 79]

This stuff infuriates me. Really shows how little many average fans have been involved in football at even an amateur adult level.

Firstly, he's hardly going to give them a rollicking in the hotel many many hours before kick off. This is a simple debrief- squad together and getting heads on game. Secondly, even if it was this was an utter dead rubber away at Southampton at the end of the worst season in living memory. Finally, the frequency of any given Sunday, inspirational, spine tingling pre match speeches is almost nil. Not only does it become transparent and ineffective if acted out every week, but many managers also save the high vocal stuff for half times.

Amazes me how many fans are either so ignorant, or unwilling to accept, how mundane so much of the off field stuff is.

Wow completely belittling to almost everyone on this forum

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The delivery is largely irrelevant IMO. It is if the players believe in the manager. Bobby Robson was a gentle soul with a warm charisma which players bought into whereas as Fergie could be extremely aggressive and players bought into that.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

It could obviously be more succinct and less monotone but I don't see what coming in crying 'for Bobby, Woody and Sir Alex!' with four meaningless games of a dire season left would have done.

That said I can't shake the feeling that whatever 'it' is you need to be successful as a manager, Giggs doesn't have it.

 

[Pexbo]

This stuff infuriates me. Really shows how little many average fans have been involved in football at even an amateur adult level.

Firstly, he's hardly going to give them a rollicking in the hotel many many hours before kick off. This is a simple debrief- squad together and getting heads on game. Secondly, even if it was this was an utter dead rubber away at Southampton at the end of the worst season in living memory. Finally, the frequency of any given Sunday, inspirational, spine tingling pre match speeches is almost nil. Not only does it become transparent and ineffective if acted out every week, but many managers also save the high vocal stuff for half times.

Amazes me how many fans are either so ignorant, or unwilling to accept, how mundane so much of the off field stuff is.

You’re completely missing the point. It’s not the fact it wasn’t an incredible speech, it’s the fact it only needed to be a brief word and yet he still managed to make a meal out of it, struggled to string three sentences together and sucked the life out of it.

If you can’t see just how poor that very very basic delivery was, it’s you that likely has little experience of these things even at amateur level. Despite being a bit of a simple debriefing, it was a real struggle.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Has anyone seen the video of Jim Telfer delivering a speech to the Lions forwards before they went on the tour of South Africa in 1997? My word that man made me want to run through brick walls for him just watching it.

 

[clarkydaz]

subs be ready, you might have to win the game. He's right you know

 

[ZupZup]

I was listening to a podcast the other day and the host on there regularly mixes with journalists and others in the industry. Anyway, he said that he had it on very good authority that Giggs’ interview at Swansea was an absolute disaster, like seriously bad. Tim Sherewood proportions of bad. We’ll soon see if there’s any truth in that.

It was pretty clear that the media were briefed after the Bob Bradley appointment by the Swansea owners. It's important to consider their motivations at the time... Swansea fans were very sceptical about the appointment. The American owners appointing an American manager had a whiff of nepotism about it and the fans were not too keen (that's not to say they wanted Giggs either, they didn't). Suddenly the papers are running with a story that Giggs didn't interview as well and Bob Bradley wowed them with his in-depth tactical knowledge and insights. To me, it's fairly obvious the owners briefed the media to try and justify their appointment of Bradley.

It's also completely unprofessional of the Swansea owners to discuss anything regarding Giggs' interview with the media.

 

[Unmutual]

Reminds me of the start of this tbh

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Wow completely belittling to almost everyone on this forum

Although makes very good points.

 

[youngrell]

This stuff infuriates me. Really shows how little many average fans have been involved in football at even an amateur adult level.

Firstly, he's hardly going to give them a rollicking in the hotel many many hours before kick off. This is a simple debrief- squad together and getting heads on game. Secondly, even if it was this was an utter dead rubber away at Southampton at the end of the worst season in living memory. Finally, the frequency of any given Sunday, inspirational, spine tingling pre match speeches is almost nil. Not only does it become transparent and ineffective if acted out every week, but many managers also save the high vocal stuff for half times.

Amazes me how many fans are either so ignorant, or unwilling to accept, how mundane so much of the off field stuff is.

But we want Churchill-esque speeches at every turn goddammit!

Good post, I completely agree with you, and would only add that it's also difficult to go from being a team mate to the manager and changing how you address the players (have been in the position myself). Speaking in front of people comes with experience and in comparison to this, Giggs did much better when addressing the Old Trafford crowd in the last home game of the season, something which is even harder to do.

Judging someones complete ability on a 1 minute snippet at the end of a team meeting is nitpicking of the highest order.

 

[Rood]

This stuff infuriates me. Really shows how little many average fans have been involved in football at even an amateur adult level.

Firstly, he's hardly going to give them a rollicking in the hotel many many hours before kick off. This is a simple debrief- squad together and getting heads on game. Secondly, even if it was this was an utter dead rubber away at Southampton at the end of the worst season in living memory. Finally, the frequency of any given Sunday, inspirational, spine tingling pre match speeches is almost nil. Not only does it become transparent and ineffective if acted out every week, but many managers also save the high vocal stuff for half times.

Amazes me how many fans are either so ignorant, or unwilling to accept, how mundane so much of the off field stuff is.

thats the vital point - meaningless game that no one even wanted to play, hardly worth rolling out your Churchill impression

Plus Im assuming Giggs knew this was being filmed for ITV so hes probably got that on his mind as well

Stupid how much is made of meaningless stuff like this.

 

[HankHill]

He sounds like a man that has never swore before in his life that is using the meeting as a chance to try some expletives on for size.

 

[Tiber]

I apologise if there has already been a thread about this, I searched but couldn't find. I just saw this video and I'm shocked at how flat/dead it all was. Was this supposed to rally the troops?

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I hope he's come leaps and bounds from that because I don't see that boding well for the Wales national football team.

Rally the troops? What do you expect in a briefing in a hotel hours before the game?

This?


The Lowry might be annoyed!