This reminds me of the teamtalk options in FM....."go out there and do it for the fans".
Can't believe how realistic that game is!
Can't believe how realistic that game is!
Giggs' final meeting as Manchester United's caretaker manager
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Managers don't rant before a match in the team briefing in a hotel. The only geeing up comes just before you get out or at half time. A lot of times, it is a one to one very small brief too.
This thread is just like the body language analysis thread.
Watched the Giggs clip having read all the comments.
Expected It to be a lot worse than a mere 45sec clip, in a calm team meeting, where he sounded much better than a lot said!
That said, he's very much a lead by experience/influence type than a shouting motivator.
Expected It to be a lot worse than a mere 45sec clip, in a calm team meeting, where he sounded much better than a lot said!
That said, he's very much a lead by experience/influence type than a shouting motivator.
I could imagine Giggs thinking, there's a camera here, I best not come across like some yabbering clown, meaning if anything he slowed it down, and was very careful with his words.
I want to see one of those from LVG, especially one in which he was drunk. Could be a good laugh.
This guy just doesn't have any charisma or charm. I wouldn't give it all if his boring ass "old man at the bus stop content with life" voice was leading me into a match.
Hope he never comes near the Utd job, terrible human being, unproven manager, great player when he was young.
Hope he never comes near the Utd job, terrible human being, unproven manager, great player when he was young.
Jesus you are a drama queen.
Id expect him to be a little more animated than that.
Jesus it was awful
Nope, take off your united tinted glasses, theres 0 class or anything special about him (apart from being a great player). Shagging your brothers wife is also a cnuty thing to do
He just got his first job as a manager. He is not angling for the Man Utd job anytime soon. What if he is brilliant at Wales? Let him do his thing. Yeah, he was a dick in his personal life, but you seem to take it too personally. Hopefully, you weren't affected personally by his sex drive
I don't think a manager has to be angry or expressive or anything else all the time. He can be calm and calculated and get results too, it's just down to how he plays to his strengths. That said we've got no reason to believe he has any tactical abilities.
I'd love to see Giggs do well with Wales personally, just no idea if he will.
I'd love to see Giggs do well with Wales personally, just no idea if he will.
I dont think im allowed to say on this forum but my family and his brothers side are connected so i think i believe family rumours over watching football interviews
There is no reason to doubt your post. Please accept my apologies and I understand your apathy towards Giggs than the many other doubters in this thread.
It didn't sound great and Giggs didn't exactly set the room on fire, but it's hard to judge or comment when we have very little with which to compare this against. What did his other talks look like, what do other manager's talks look like, what do they look like at halftime when their backs are up against a wall, what does it look like when the cameras aren't around? Very few, if any of us, have seen enough of these to make an educated analysis.
I don’t see too much worthy of slating Giggs in the team meeting clip but a lot of times in TV interviews he doesn’t come across all that well and I can quite see how he hasn’t, as we are led to believe, interviewed well for one or two managerial jobs.
He seems to speak a bit off the cuff and seemingly without clarity and a clear vision. I don’t sense a prescence with Giggs, you don’t get the impression a room will suddenly fall silent the moment he walks in.
I have my doubts about him managerially.
He seems to speak a bit off the cuff and seemingly without clarity and a clear vision. I don’t sense a prescence with Giggs, you don’t get the impression a room will suddenly fall silent the moment he walks in.
I have my doubts about him managerially.
Think about the circumstances here. We're at the end of a complete shit storm of a season, there's nothing left to play for. Are people expecting Giggsy to be whipping them up into a frenzy or something. Ridiculous, virtually baseless criticism.
Wow, this is the first time I've seen this and it was breathtakingly epic! Even if it is scripted, the way Mourinho expressed and relayed the emotions through the words and body language, it shows he is a true master orator.
I’d hope so for his and the Wales players sakes. That’s fecking brutal, if my manager made that speech I’d feel like going home.
some people caught serious emotions off this 
man i was just surprised at how flat it was, regardless of it being a dead rubber at the end of a bad season, that's not how i imagined a manager at premier league level would speak to their players. not even the messaging, the delivery was just poor, it was kind of a hard watch really, maybe he's just not a great speaker or perhaps my expectations and assumptions regarding this stuff set me up for disappointment, but considering some of the responses here and on twitter, i'm not alone.
it's all right though.
man i was just surprised at how flat it was, regardless of it being a dead rubber at the end of a bad season, that's not how i imagined a manager at premier league level would speak to their players. not even the messaging, the delivery was just poor, it was kind of a hard watch really, maybe he's just not a great speaker or perhaps my expectations and assumptions regarding this stuff set me up for disappointment, but considering some of the responses here and on twitter, i'm not alone.
it's all right though.
Completely agree, whatever is said, surely it’s better to inspire the players than bore them to death and drain the life out of them, he sounded like he does when hes doing punditry, just saying key phrases like “We have players that are good on the ball” etc
I at least expect him to talk clearly without err and ums....
Especially when he knows he's on camera, especially when he knows he has 4 match to impress, it's just a simple generic line and he still don't get it right. But somehow he's supposed to be a football genius....
Let's compare him to gary, to the very least gary is quick and precise with whatever he's saying, clarity in his English, and it looks like he knows what he's going to say and structure it well. Giggs is really like a rabbut in the limelight.
More will be shed when he manages wales and there'll be interviews etc. Let's just wait and see, but he really has little gravity as a leader of man
He was never be a leader when he was playing. It was Robbo, Cantona, Keane, Gary, Rio, Vidic, Evra that rightly outshine him as captain in his time here. You could argue at his latter year he was captain out of seniority but he never struck me as one. Take a look at Rio's vlog when he recorded prematch team talk in Carrick's testimonial. Even it was just a testimony but SAF killing it with simple " Don't lose it,, don't bloody lose it". You could wonder how Giggs out of all players under Fergie cannot pick one or two things from the great man how to handle a team talk. For the glimpse of it its not bode well for Giggs. That was just bland if not bad.
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I agree, but wtf
(bolded bit)Seems none of Sir Alex's players are destined to be great coaches/managers. There seems to always be something missing. Some lack the charisma, others lack the tactical nous, others lack the acceptance of the direction the game is moving in.
Agreed. Can’t stand the boring prick. To think it was his devine right to be handed the job when LVG was sacked too.
Bellamy should have been offered the Wales job, most Wales supporters hate Giggs too.
He won’t be in management long anyway. No club will touch him with a barge pole when the inevitable happens.
His first Wales press conference was a joke too.
It looked as if any old fan was dragged up and was forced to speak in front of the media. Like a dear in headlights.
Can you imagine what Scholes would be like? Blimey.
It looked as if any old fan was dragged up and was forced to speak in front of the media. Like a dear in headlights.
Can you imagine what Scholes would be like? Blimey.
Feel the same way about Giggs and it pains me to say it being Welsh and just a couple of years younger. Growing up he was my idol, posters on the wall, going to watch the games at OT and then talking non stop about him on the bus home. However as he and I got older I found out like everyone else that he is a horrible human being and a p*ick. He destroyed his legacy as far as I am concerned.
I remember when Giggs used to be interviewed as a player, he had a strange glass-eyed look, not quite looking at the interviewer, not the camera but sort of staring off into the middle distance. When you see videos of him talking to his friends of course, he is very different.
Jesse Lingard is a little bit similar when he is in front of a camera - his head is more jerking around as he again fails to make eye contact with the interviewer - all the time repeating the Rooney-esque 'very much so' mantra whenever asked a question. Again, Jesse is very different when you see him with his mates.
Giggs, in that video, is very stilted and unnatural.
I can't help but wonder if they are all a result of media training gone wrong.
Jesse Lingard is a little bit similar when he is in front of a camera - his head is more jerking around as he again fails to make eye contact with the interviewer - all the time repeating the Rooney-esque 'very much so' mantra whenever asked a question. Again, Jesse is very different when you see him with his mates.
Giggs, in that video, is very stilted and unnatural.
I can't help but wonder if they are all a result of media training gone wrong.
It's one of the reasons why I cannot stand when the television companies after a match decide to interview the players before the manager. Almost without exception it's just a series of memorised and robotically delivered cliches.
Giggs should be more like this
Dear rabbut, stay out of the headlights ('till the end of the season).
Agreed. To instil passion, determination, hunger, confidence, unity is a skill that I believe is a vital ingredient to not only being a great manager in football, but in all walks of leadership. As you say, the thing Giggs has going for him is his legacy which puts him a few rungs up the ladder in terms of gaining a genuine respect and making people listen. However, that only goes so far, because in moments when a team needs a rousing, energising comment that hits the mark (Ferguson half time comment in 99 CL cup final) you need a depth of sincerity, heart and belief in your voice that is unequivocal. It can be learnt, in time, and one would hope that this is something he will seek help with.
No one charactaristic (or lack of) is the difference between being a great manager and a poor manager. On paper Keane should have succeeded, he was a leader on the pitch. Doesn't work like that. This being said, even as captain Giggs never came across as particularly inspiring, or particularly much like a leader on the pitch. He got the armband by default of seniority at a time when, post-Keane, the manager was probably careful about the power-balance in the dressing room.
Of course it's not an exact science and I'm sure there's lots of examples of players who came across as quiet and reserved on the pitch going onto have great success in management, but if you were to identify players from 1989 - 2013 who'd played for us who you'd think had a decent chance of doing well as a coach then Giggs would be near bottom of my list.
Of course it's not an exact science and I'm sure there's lots of examples of players who came across as quiet and reserved on the pitch going onto have great success in management, but if you were to identify players from 1989 - 2013 who'd played for us who you'd think had a decent chance of doing well as a coach then Giggs would be near bottom of my list.
How can anyone defend that lol?
I’ve listened to Giggs talk hundreds of times, never once have I heard him say anything insightful, witty or has he demonstrated any kind of charisma at all
It’s not the fact it wasn’t full of great tactical insight. It’s not the fact he didn’t scream or crack jokes. It’s the fact it sounded like a Sunday League manager who had run out of ideas and felt mildly embarrassed about the whole thing!
I’ve listened to Giggs talk hundreds of times, never once have I heard him say anything insightful, witty or has he demonstrated any kind of charisma at all
It’s not the fact it wasn’t full of great tactical insight. It’s not the fact he didn’t scream or crack jokes. It’s the fact it sounded like a Sunday League manager who had run out of ideas and felt mildly embarrassed about the whole thing!
I can distinctly remember Anders lindegaard telling the press that “The players were awe struck by Giggsey’s first team meeting”,and he even said that Giggs could be the next Guardiola!But anyways,I think it’s a bit unfair to judge him on that 1 speech,lets see how well he performs for Wales....
No need to be mean and laugh at the fella. It's very clear he meant to say Giggs is 'like a tarbut with lime leafs'.I agree, but wtf
Whipping them up into a frenzy and showing passion is exactly what I expect from him under these circumstances.
It would have been meetings like this that would have been his audition for the full time job.
I really couldn’t care less about the lack of passion. They’re all sat there in suits; it’s obviously some time before the match. Getting them pumped up can be left till later.
It’s the lack of content and the tired cliches that’s alarming. He seems to come alive at the bit about fecking Liverpool and City, something that he’s obviously really bothered about!
Anyway, good luck to him with Wales.
It’s the lack of content and the tired cliches that’s alarming. He seems to come alive at the bit about fecking Liverpool and City, something that he’s obviously really bothered about!
Anyway, good luck to him with Wales.