Jose Mourinho's press conference - Brighton (FA Cup) - 14:00 GMT
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Or it implied that because of our recent past not being pretty good, and the quality of the squad over last 2 managerial reigns being average, it will be a longer process to reach top.
Depends on how you want to see it.
Many people want to interpret his comment that "I could have gone to an easier league, but I wanted to be challenged and hence came here" as "You guys are lucky that someone as big as me came to your club when you were in a shitty position"
So whatever floats the boat I guess
He started his history lesson from 2011, pointing out each and every individual failure. After the game he also brought up 2004.
Two big ' ifs ' but after the past four seasons, I'd see finishing second as progress.
And until we can find some Arab / Chinese / Russian billionaire to bankroll us like Abu Dhabi Athletic, I think we'll all have to be satisfied with second place or be happy to finish 5th or 6th because we lost too many matches 3-4 or 4-6 which were fantastic games for the neutrals watching on TV but would have The Caf going into meltdown every week.
I know which I prefer....
Watched two minutes of that "rant", and it was literally like listening to van Gaal. Urgh.
Most of it on Pogba and Lukaku and now Sanchez. Sanchez is too early to judge. Lukaku is doing fine. Pogba was never expected to struggle so much and it is not like everything is over for him. (I dont know if you always expected him to flop)
Redcafe goes into meltdown.
Why are people finding it so hard to grasp my point. I'm not saying that our performance was acceptable and I'm not saying that Sanchez's performance was anything but abysmal.
My point is that whilst our team has a lack of depth in world class players, and average players in certain positions, then performances like the Sevilla debacle will continue to happen.
PS: That's my post limit for the day done, so any further discussion will have to wait until tomorrow
Watching the presser it's obvious he's feeling the pressure.
All he did was confirm that we aren’t as good as we thought we were.It was a rant because it lasted 12 mins. And he even didn't allow a question in middle and put more "fachts" into it. His point was Utd were in a much deeper s**t than fans think, when he arrived. He is rebuilding and it will take more time than what fans expect. Didn't have to write stuff on paper and read out one by one
16 points behind City, I don’t see much wrong with that assessment?
Outside of Roma & Liverpool (maybe) could we have beaten anybody in the remaining 8 of the CL?
We’re not among the current European elite, we need to be brought back down to earth.
Totally different things. One point was that, shit happens. 2nd was on magnitude of task needed for taking back to European elite.
Ooh, this is the perfect Mourinho-loving RedCafe post. It has everything!
1) We are poor, we don't have the money to keep up (only spending 300m over two seasons is poverty, basically)
2) Playing good, positive football is a sure way to lose 4-3 and finish 5th or 6th because only ultra-defensive teams that bypass the midfield with long balls to a target man can succeed.
3) We are second!
Aha.. so you tell me the the weaker version of Seville (the stronger version got knocked out by Leicester city) is better than our team?
Or saying an United in stronger position, both in comparison to opposition and to the club standing in different times, can get shock result.
Atleast with Van Gaal it felt like your drunk uncle at christmas dinner so you could laugh at his expense. This on the other hand is a serious bout of narcissism and self love. He's losing it.
Journalist: "why were you outclassed by Sevilla"?
Mourinho: "Man City have better players".
Mourinho: "Man City have better players".
The point he was making in the presser was investment prior to Mou and Pep stepping a foot in their respective club, with the exception of Martial and to some extent Mata all have been a massive waste of time and resources. Mourinho has done very well with the signings he has made over the course of 2 years, is he able to extract the maximum out of them? No, are the profile of the players fit for Manchester United? 100% yes. Which is why I trust him to do a good job continuing this rebuild and when it's time he can move on and the new manager will have an excellent base to build his own team.
Aguero played 29 league games in 2015/16. That's much more than 2013/14 when they became champions. KDB was out for 2, not 3 months. And they were on course to 72 pts before the Guardiola anouncement and with KDBnot injured yet. It didn't make much difference.
It's enough to take a look at their squad then: Hart, Sagna, Zabaleta, Kolarov, Mangala, Demichelis, Clichy, Navas, Iheanacho, Bony, Caballero....They were uninspiring and beat the serial bottlers PSG to reach the CL semis.
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2 big if's, but they shouldn't be as far as I'm concerned. It's March and the FA cup is the only thing we have left to play for. And the foreign money is a non-argument to accept a poxy second place, we very much are keeping pace in this arms race and it'll ultimately come down to who recruits, builds and coaches the better team...
I think we're all aware of that. Nobody who actually watches Manchester United will believe we are among the European elite. I'm not sure who had to be brought back down to Earth.
He's lowering expectations in the exact same way that Moyes and Van Gaal did. Except he doesn't need to because his predecessors were incredibly successful at that, if nothing else. We aspire to be like City and try to make it hard for Newcastle, indeed.
I wasn't trying to make it personal, it's just what it is with Liverpool and Spurs. Sorry if it came off like that.
Did he say that? Can't be bothered to watch the video.Journalist: "why were you outclassed by Sevilla"?
Mourinho: "Man City have better players".
What about Fellaini? I mean I do think he was a massive waste of resources but Mourinho evidently doesn't; he said he would be a key player against Sevilla and previously he had also stressed that he would leave before he sells Fellaini. He wants him badly so he cannot be unhappy about inheriting him.
Heritage! Stop pissing players off then and start playing the players who deserve to play or we will never build this heritage.
Not exactly.
I'm just illustrating how both sides are arguing about different things. Mourinho has not once discussed how we approached the game.
It's all about "you weren't very good before I came so why complain"?
Rafa was basically frothing at the mouth, I don’t see the comparison at all? His facts were laughable too. Theresa no denying our poor form in the CL since we last won, is there?
Journalist: "why were you outclassed by Sevilla"?
Mourinho: "Man City have better players".
No he didn't but nothing like lying to look like a smart arse with made-up comments.
His point about City had nothing to do about Sevilla match in particular. He went on a 12 min speech/rant on the task at hand at United and gave example of how City were better placed 2 years ago, it was more an answer to fans' expectations and reactions. Journalist hardly got time to ask him particularly about Sevilla or anything.
There is no denying that but if he can't improve on it then why exactly is he the world's best paid manager? 'I know we're shit but you had been shit even before I arrived' - not much of an argument really when the goal would be to make us not shit.
His presser was superb today. It's all about the BIG picture but half of the spoilt lunatics on here won't see that.
Club is finally in good hands. Jose is demanding quality and investment from the owners and the owners are demanding CL football every season. They are all on the same page.
Happy.
Club is finally in good hands. Jose is demanding quality and investment from the owners and the owners are demanding CL football every season. They are all on the same page.
Happy.
ExcellentFor what it’s worth, the way we set up against Sevilla wasn’t good enough and the players performance was pathetic, but I didn’t expect Mourinho to come in the press conference saying that - but it sounds like others were?
What were you expecting him to do? It was either this, or answer questions about injuries and criticisms that people have been writing about us, himself and the players.
It is the most embarrassing press conference I have seen from a United manager, if a Liverpool manager had done this we would be laughing him off
is there a video of this?
After re reading the presser I actually think Mou's spot on. We all have mates who think that, no matter what, Man Utd should be winning the league, scoring goals galore and just being generally awesome without ever taking in to account what's going on at the club. SAF created the winning monster that we were but without him we really fell hard - as Mou said look at our CL record since, look at our PL record since. Our team was a shambles and I think we're actually pretty good again now, which is impressive if you look at how historically other 'big' clubs have fallen and not been able to regain their top status (Liverpool being a prime example).
We are not playing amazing football and losing to Sevilla is a blemish on Mou/the players (who really didn't turn up) but we're scoring a good number of goals, have a good defensive record, we're not really in the scrap for top 4 (hopefully it stays that way) and would say we've as good a shot at FA cup glory as any other team. At the end of the season if we finish second, it'll be our most successful season domestically since SAF.
We are not playing amazing football and losing to Sevilla is a blemish on Mou/the players (who really didn't turn up) but we're scoring a good number of goals, have a good defensive record, we're not really in the scrap for top 4 (hopefully it stays that way) and would say we've as good a shot at FA cup glory as any other team. At the end of the season if we finish second, it'll be our most successful season domestically since SAF.
Don’t know if this has already been said in the thread but Stewart Garndner on MUTV said the embargoed part is even better and to not miss it - it’s on tonight at 10.30pm
You fecking fan boi, you.
I think Jose's reached the canal turn with United now with fans hunting and galloping behind him, scenting blood, telling him that a red thoroughbred can only go in one direction.
But he will continue to go another. He cannot change. So it begs the question: are we going to go with him? I think we're all caught in a dour straitjacket that simply won't come off and may suffocate and strangle us totally in the end.
And it might last for years.
But he will continue to go another. He cannot change. So it begs the question: are we going to go with him? I think we're all caught in a dour straitjacket that simply won't come off and may suffocate and strangle us totally in the end.
And it might last for years.
Well, you just made his point. The only world class player on that list is the goalkeeper, Carrick is on the sunset of his career, and the rest are decent players, but hardly a core around which you can build a team.
I also see a lot of people saying that none of this justifies the Sevilla result, but Mourihno didn't make that argument at all. His point was that he is in the process of rebuilding the team and that this season is already a success in terms of results when compared with previous 6 seasons; and he is undeniably correct.
I definitely didn't want him to go on about our failures. It wasn't good that he went there immediately after the Sevilla game but that could be forgiven in the heat of the moment - but now he showed it wasn't a heat of the moment thing, he really just considers Manchester United a bit of a shitty club that pays good money but shouldn't expect anything really.
Whats the point if you gonna get dumped on by Sevilla
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