Jose Mourinho's press conference - Brighton (FA Cup) - 14:00 GMT

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One bad result and it's amazing how many Jose haters come out of the woodwork. They were absent when we beat Liverpool and Chelsea. Some people have been waiting for him to fail since day one.

Yes he got it wrong against Sevilla, but people are actually upset as if this team had a real chance of winning the CL if we'd beaten them :lol:

If you can't see the progress we've made since scraping a solitary FA Cup under van Gaal, drawing against the likes of Cambridge then there is no hope.

This is a team in development still playing with Valencia and Young as our first choice full backs. People keep referring to City but the sad truth is that they have a better team and the only manager better than Jose. It's unfortunate.

We will have bad results but it is all about context. I expect us to finish the season strongly.
 

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Jose has had his rant, as people say taking some heat off the players. If we win tomorrow and it is good football then it has worked. If it is dire again he will look foolish. He is right that we probably are behind City in the rebuilding, but that is because we have bought badly to be honest. Two of our biggest signings are his, Sanchez and Pogba and he isn't getting the best out of him. That is where he can get fans onside, if he can get them working properly. Darmian will likely go, Blind will likely go, Shaw goodness knows, he was supposed to be our LB for years, might still be. BFS, Scheiderlin, Falco, Di Maria, Depay, Ibra (short sighted signing), fighting for the Fellaini. Hanging onto Rooney well past his sell buy date, two over 30 fullbacks. We have seriously pissed some money up the wall. There is still a lot needs sorting and it is if we trust Jose and Ed to do it, I like the fact he wanted Willian. That is the direction I would like us to go.
Have lots of thoughts on this but can’t write lengthy messages at the mo as I’m traveling. Pity as it happened right when I had lots to say. Like most of your points but I am coming from a different “angle” on some of them.

At the end of the day we were never going to win the CL (this won’t be new news to anyone who’s seen other games this round) but I totally blame Jose for us going out against statistically inferior opposition and not being in the next round.
 

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In a weird way I am reassured by these comments. I thought Jose was possibly grandstanding to make a point about underinvestment with his team selection/ approach.

If he has got glazers and woodward to agree to an ongoing investment in the team rather than a big splurge then good.

He makes a great point. We should be ever present like Barca, real and Bayern with our turnover and financial dominance.

I'm glad he is thinking long term and I'll give him the time to build his own team.
So he can fill it with a bunch of Fellaini's and past it players like Sanchez? How does that benefit the club? The next manager will have a job weeding those types out. We need players with great technique, you can't get to the elite level with Jose's prototype of players. It is a big mistake giving him any more money or complete control of who he wants to come in.
 

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I don't understand you people. After the Liverpool game you were all shouting "Jose masterclass", "Perfect game", "Liverpool never even threatened us", then all of a sudden when we lost to Sevilla you all lost your minds. The approach was not really different, just the reactions after the games were different. I too blame Mourinho for the lose, but you're all too fickle - one moment you're praising him to the sun and the next he's the worst manager ever. It's ridiculous.
This.
 

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We lost against Sevilla, because City have better squad. This is a new one. We were knocked out of CL by City? Montella taught him a lesson. Pogba, Matic, Sanchez, Lindelof, Ibra are the main core brought in by Mou. Can he fecking take resposibility for at least the players that he brought in? If no, then he needs to go and kiss SAF' arse, because it was the great man himself who bought DDG. Honestly, Mou's arrogance and total lack of humility make my blood boil. It is everyone's fault by his. I hope Woody has a plan B, if Jose melts down as he usually does.
 
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I don't really get all the Mourinho bashing on here....

We got beaten by Seville because we played shit - no doubt about it.

But I'll bet my house that Seville would also beat Huddersfield and Newcastle and yet we didn't have this much hatred on those nights for Mourinho - the team, individual players, but not Mourinho.

Too many people over-reacting on here, egged on by the media who just love to see him and us fail.

There's no overreacting going on in regards to the Sevilla result. The negative reaction is commensurate with the result. We were dire, and he was a big part of it. As for the Newcastle and the Huddersfield comment, i think there was some criticism for the manger, but obviously the criticism is going to be far more vociferous for the Sevilla game when you consider the stakes. They're just not comparable.

Of course, when it comes to Jose he doesn't help himself either.
 

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See the same culprits with their strange fawning over any of Joses press conferences even when he's had a total mare or is lying through his teeth to deflect blame from his own shortcomings.

He looked like he'd cracked IMO.. cool calm and collected he was not, and whilst passion is good.. it's only good if you're talking about your team passionately and saying look I fecked up but I believe in this team etc instead it looked like a man desperate to defend his performances with what he now deems an unworthy squad which he's done miracles with. It's complete and utter horseshit.

Have City benefitted from better purchases and start from a more advantageous position? Yeah but let's not forget Kompany so injury prone, Aguero looked past it and and ill fit, Toure is finished, Otamendi and Sterling looked like total flops and Pep made a pigs ear of buying a keeper as well. KDB wasn't as good as he is now and only Silva was imo a seriously fortunate gift for the manager who still in his prime. He's done an excellent job of turning that all around. But that's besides the point, no one expected a title run we just expected you to create a team which looks set to win big trophies.. some cohesion, easily dispatching smaller sides, look like a side which with some minor tweaks look competitive in Europe. Referring to City is neither here nor there. Your own management just hasn't been up to the mark - own up to it.

He's a coward IMO and it kills me to say that.. from a guy who I always respected and I brought into the mantra that his press conferences are about protecting players.. but he constantly throws them under the bus even when it's clear as day he's cocked it up. Also don't like how he keeps shitting on the club to try and make it out like we're so grateful he's cleaning it all up. With the funds he's been given, that is the bare minimum we expect from a competent manager.

My worry is, we could lose players under his management that could actually be useful players under a new manager with a different approach. He's increasingly looking like he's a dog that's had his day and with the ever more defensive self pitying conferences like these where he genuinely seems to believe he's absolved of any blame, I can't see him turning a new leaf and changing some of his flaws .. being more proactive because he doesn't acknowledge that he is making bad decisions. His answer seems to be just let me get in new players and my tactics will be the same and it will lead to titles.
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I don't understand you people. After the Liverpool game you were all shouting "Jose masterclass", "Perfect game", "Liverpool never even threatened us", then all of a sudden when we lost to Sevilla you all lost your minds. The approach was not really different, just the reactions after the games were different. I too blame Mourinho for the lose, but you're all too fickle - one moment you're praising him to the sun and the next he's the worst manager ever. It's ridiculous.
Not all did. We rode our luck against Chelsea, and the 2nd half-tactics against Liverpool is something you'd expect to see from league-one teams, because their players are clearly inferior. Not from United at OT.
 

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We lost against Sevilla, because City have better squad. This is a new one. We were knocked out of CL by City. Montella taught him a lesson. Pogba, Matic, Sanchez, Lindelof, Ibra are the main core brought in by Mou. Can he fecking take resposibility for at least the players that he brought in? If no, then he needs to go and kiss SAF' arse, because it was the great man himself who bought DDG. Honestly, Mou's arrogance and total lack of humility make my blood boil. It is everyone's fault by his. I hope Woody has a plan B, if Jose melts down as he usually does.
We'll do nothing unless shit hits the fan. The amount of time we gave both Moyes and Van Gaal was fecking infuriating, when it was clear they were both done.
 

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These rants are fecking bizzare, its like he's having a dig at the club.

'Heritage' like he's gonna be leaving behind a world class team when he leaves, he's spent hundreds of millions and there's a question mark against almost every one of his signings.
 

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Have lots of thoughts on this but can’t write lengthy messages at the mo as I’m traveling. Pity as it happened right when I had lots to say. Like most of your points but I am coming from a different “angle” on some of them.

At the end of the day we were never going to win the CL (this won’t be new news to anyone who’s seen other games this round) but I totally blame Jose for us going out against statistically inferior opposition and not being in the next round.
I get why you say we wouldn't win the CL and I fear if Jose doesn't think he will win a trophy he doesn't really care for it. That is not the way to do it. He is an employee of Manchester United and we are the customers and you should always keep your customers happy. We might have got a lucky break in the next round and all of a sudden you are in the semi's.
 

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Just watched the 12 mint monologue. Wow. Quite uncalled for and came from nowhere.
I don’t need the reminder of how shit we’ve been in the last 7 years as he put it. Neither did my 7 year old boy who adores United, isn’t football football for the kids and where fans are born, He just sat there with his mouth open in shock, so did I to be honest. Nice way of absolutely shitting on the club mou!

Also with the little snippets of where he did this and he did that, while we’ve been shit of course, dragging fergies record into it aswel for some reason.

Just amazed really, just seemed so uncalled for, all the Man City talk, feck them, there wasn’t even a question about any of it.

Nice message for the fans José.
 

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So in a nutshell, he's saying that he didn't inherit a great team and that we're playing catch up.

Now, he's somewhat correct. The team he inherited wasn't great, however, he's had two transfer windows now, and he hasn't rectified, what he feels, is our problem.

Our attack is still disjointed, our midfield still has creativity issues, and our back line is still inconsistent.

He's bought Lindelof, Bailly, Matic, Pogba, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan and Sanchez since being here. That's 7 players!

You'd expect all of the above to be starting under Mourinho. I mean, he did buy them. Apart from Lukaku, Matic and Bailly, when fit, the others have all been underwhelming this season.

Lindelof - Doesn't play him much. Probably won't be here for much longer.

Mkhitaryan - Sold him.

Sanchez - Not been here long, but haven't been impressed as of yet.

Pogba - Seems to have regressed from last season. Still not getting the best out of him.

Now, as I said, those are the players Jose bought, so he's got no excuse there. I understand every player he buys is not going to be a success, but apart from Matic and possibly Lukaku, I wouldn't say I've seen the best from any of these players. On a consistent basis anyway. Again, that's all down to the manager, in my opinion.

Hate to say it, but since Pep has joined City, yes, he's signed some players who have proved to be unsuccessful, and has gone on to sell them, but he went to City with a plan. Identified what players he needed, the style in which he wanted to play and implemented it. They're reaping the benefits now.

I mean, I wouldn't exactly say he inherited a great team either, to be honest. Prior to Pep taking over, City won the league once in five seasons, which was the same as us.

There were a lot of dead wood in that team, and players like Silva, Toure, Kompany, etc, were all said to be coming to the end of their City careers. Since Pep joined, he got rid of quite a few players and obviously brought a lot of players in too.

I think the main difference between Pep and Mourinho is the ability to get the best out of the players they have.

Pep's regular starting lineup this season consists of Aguero, Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva and Fernandinho - all of which were at the club before Pep. The aforementioned players are all top players, however, I personally feel Pep has taken them to another level since joining.

Mourinho, on the other hand, 'inherited' Martial, Rashford, Herrera, Mata, Shaw, Smalling and Valencia, who all regularly started under Van Gaal in the season he got sacked. Apart from Valencia, who is normally consistent, I wouldn't say Jose has improved of these players.

Going forward, I honestly don't know if I trust Mourinho spending more money.

I don't know if he know's how he wants to play. 4231, 433, etc. Two years and we've still not got a settled team. Going into the Brighton game tomorrow, I haven't a clue what team he'll put out. 9/10 I know what City, Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are going to play, though. You can't expect consistency if you're not going to consistently play someone. For example, dropping Mata and McTominay to the bench against Sevilla, despite arguably being our best players in the last few games. Also, shoving Rashford to the right - a position he's not comfortable in, just to accommodate Sanchez, who has been poor since joining. Putting Fellaini in arguably our biggest game of the season, having been our for a number of months. It's decisions like these that are slowing making me lose faith in him. This, and the fact that he's coming up with nonsensical points.

For example, there was no need for him to talk about the team we inherited and where we've been in the competition in recent years. Who cares? He was employed because we felt he was the guy to change this for us. Otherwise, what was the point of joining?

Klopp has got Liverpool to a quarter final of the champions league. Want to know their recent history, Jose? Well, the last time they made the quarters was in 08/09. Some facts for you!

Fact is, we have a better 'heritage' than Sevilla and we lost to them at home. No excuses! We should have beaten them and progressed to the quarter finals. We didn't, and that lies with the manager and his tactics, not the fact that we didn't spent another 200M.

I'm sick of the excuses!
 

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If Mourinho is going to blame the team for failures of the past after spending so much money in the present, why the feck are we paying him millions. We can just as easily replace him with anyone and let them spend the money and put the blame on the past. Feck, I can have a go without taking a penny in salary. It's nearly 2 years since he took over, and apart from a game here and there, our football has been shite of the highest order. Our early season goal glut at the end of games glossed over fairly poor games even then. No one expected us to win the league after October, or the champions league, but everyone expected us to play some decent attacking football with the squad we have. Give this squad to any quality attack minded manager and he will get good attacking football from the players we have within weeks.
 

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It was the manner of the defeat , it was how we were set up against an out of form Sevilla team - at home. It was also that Fellaini started. It wasnt just about a defeat to Sevilla, defeats happen and thats understandable.

I still support Jose and hope eventually he gets it right.

I honestly thought the team selection was not too bad....And the choice between Fellaini and McTominay was based on more chance of Fellaini scoring than McTominay. Having said that, I would have gone for Mata instead of Lingard.

The performance, however, was unforgivably awful, I agree.

Seville showed the benefit of having a ' team ' compared to our ' better individual players ' although that's something more to do with coaching than the tactics which everyone on here tonight seems to be crying about.
 

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So in a nutshell, he's saying that he didn't inherit a great team and that we're playing catch up.

Now, he's somewhat correct. The team he inherited wasn't great, however, he's had two transfer windows now, and he hasn't rectified, what he feels, is our problem.

Our attack is still disjointed, our midfield still has creativity issues, and our back line is still inconsistent.

He's bought Lindelof, Bailly, Matic, Pogba, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan and Sanchez since being here. That's 7 players!

You'd expect all of the above to be starting under Mourinho. I mean, he did buy them. Apart from Lukaku, Matic and Bailly, when fit, the others have all been underwhelming this season.

Lindelof - Doesn't play him much. Probably won't be here for much longer.

Mkhitaryan - Sold him.

Sanchez - Not been here long, but haven't been impressed as of yet.

Pogba - Seems to have regressed from last season. Still not getting the best out of him.

Now, as I said, those are the players Jose bought, so he's got no excuse there. I understand every player he buys is not going to be a success, but apart from Matic and possibly Lukaku, I wouldn't say I've seen the best from any of these players. On a consistent basis anyway. Again, that's all down to the manager, in my opinion.

Hate to say it, but since Pep has joined City, yes, he's signed some players who have proved to be unsuccessful, and has gone on to sell them, but he went to City with a plan. Identified what players he needed, the style in which he wanted to play and implemented it. They're reaping the benefits now.

I mean, I wouldn't exactly say he inherited a great team either, to be honest. Prior to Pep taking over, City won the league once in five seasons, which was the same as us.

There were a lot of dead wood in that team, and players like Silva, Toure, Kompany, etc, were all said to be coming to the end of their City careers. Since Pep joined, he got rid of quite a few players and obviously brought a lot of players in too.

I think the main difference between Pep and Mourinho is the ability to get the best out of the players they have.

Pep's regular starting lineup this season consists of Aguero, Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva and Fernandinho - all of which were at the club before Pep. The aforementioned players are all top players, however, I personally feel Pep has taken them to another level since joining.

Mourinho, on the other hand, 'inherited' Martial, Rashford, Herrera, Mata, Shaw, Smalling and Valencia, who all regularly started under Van Gaal in the season he got sacked. Apart from Valencia, who is normally consistent, I wouldn't say Jose has improved of these players.

Going forward, I honestly don't know if I trust Mourinho spending more money.

I don't know if he know's how he wants to play. 4231, 433, etc. Two years and we've still not got a settled team. Going into the Brighton game tomorrow, I haven't a clue what team he'll put out. 9/10 I know what City, Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are going to play, though. You can't expect consistency if you're not going to consistently play someone. For example, dropping Mata and McTominay to the bench against Sevilla, despite arguably being our best players in the last few games. Also, shoving Rashford to the right - a position he's not comfortable in, just to accommodate Sanchez, who has been poor since joining. Putting Fellaini in arguably our biggest game of the season, having been our for a number of months. It's decisions like these that are slowing making me lose faith in him. This, and the fact that he's coming up with nonsensical points.

For example, there was no need for him to talk about the team we inherited and where we've been in the competition in recent years. Who cares? He was employed because we felt he was the guy to change this for us. Otherwise, what was the point of joining?

Klopp has got Liverpool to a quarter final of the champions league. Want to know their recent history, Jose? Well, the last time they made the quarters was in 08/09. Some facts for you!

Fact is, we have a better 'heritage' than Sevilla and we lost to them at home. No excuses! We should have beaten them and progressed to the quarter finals. We didn't, and that lies with the manager and his tactics, not the fact that we didn't spent another 200M.

I'm sick of the excuses!
4 transfer windows mate.
 

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Only mentioned Matic, De Gea and Lukaku as example of solid players who would remain after he leaves. It says a lot about the ones he didn't mention.
 

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What's the point in what?

Losing a match means we should change managers? What about when we were woeful in Europe under Fergie?
The leap deserves a record. The post said Cl qualification every year. My questions is why do we not say "BIG DEAL" and concentrate on it when the league is gone? Instead we hear it's not the end of the world. We were already in the CL and didn't give it the proper go.
 

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I honestly thought the team selection was not too bad....And the choice between Fellaini and McTominay was based on more chance of Fellaini scoring than McTominay. Having said that, I would have gone for Mata instead of Lingard.

The performance, however, was unforgivably awful, I agree.

Seville showed the benefit of having a ' team ' compared to our ' better individual players ' although that's something more to do with coaching than the tactics which everyone on here tonight seems to be crying about.
The choice of Fellaini was more than just so. It was between an in-form player that had been integrated into the team and a player that had been out of the first XI for a long time. It was an awful decision, and even if Fellaini is mediocre to average at best, the team chemistry was blatantly hurt. Add to that changing Rashford’s position and tinkering with where to play Sanchez and Lingard. It was just poor, very poor, game management.
 

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So should he just talk about our results since 1999?Or 1993??How is that relevant to the team and the club that he inherited?He spoke about the 5 year period preceding him and he was absolutely spot on about everything he said....We have reached 1 CL quarterfinal in 7 years and yet going out at the last 16 this season is unacceptable....We have finished outside the top 3 for the last 4 seasons,and yet being 2nd this season is failure....
Ok let's see the points here before people start lapping it up again.

2013 - reached CL QFs. Get knocked out by Bayern. Bad performance. Something which further confirmed that Moyes isn't the man for us even though it was Bayern.
2014 - no European competition. Get top 4 with a squad which is aging and needs repair.
2015 - miss top 4 by a point. Win the FA cup. LVG called a dinosaur and sacked by the club unceremoniously.
2016 - win the League cup and Europa. Finish 6th in the table.
2017 - get one of the easiest groups and qualify as group winners. Get bummed by a shite Sevilla side in the round of 16. Currently in 2nd place. Only possible trophy is the FA cup which frankly I cannot see us winning against City.

So basically LVG was rightly sacked, according to everyone here, for getting 5th with a FA cup. But Mourinho should be lauded for winning Europa playing shite on a stick football, coming 6th, getting our arses handed to us by fkng Sevilla?

How does this show a balance in the thoughts. LVG was universally hated for his style while Mourinho is given a pass because it's not his team yet despite spending 300 mil. Why was LVG then not afforded more time in that case?

It's not like Jose has us playing scintillating football. Everyone is also just pointing at the table and saying we have progressed even though our standard of play has been wildly inconsistent and downright atrocious at times. If he is going to be judged only by results then CL qualification is his only major achievement so far because as the Board has shown they don't care about the FA cup type trophies.

In short, under LVG we looked toothless while we look like cowards under Mourinho. One is sacked and called all sorts of names, while the other is hailed as the second coming.
 

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Fair enough...Get used to him though,he's going absolutely nowhere....He will be in charge next season...
I'm not rooting for him to get fired as I think he has done enough to be at the club for at least one more year, but I'm also going to call out ridiculous statements like that as such, instead of trying to justify every word that comes out of his mouth.
 

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Pogba, Matic, Sanchez, Lindelof, Ibra are the main core brought in by Mou.
You leave our Bailly and Lukaku? Do you think the likes of Matic, Pogba and Ibra have not played a part in our progression? Sanchez has been poor but he has just joined. Lindelof is not really first choice. Why do you name him as a 'core' signing but not Bailly?

Of coure you can have your opinion on the team and Mourinho, but you are trying to distort things.
 

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I love you Jose but I really don't get the point of throwing everyone under the bus just to retain your 'special one' identity. Nobody is perfect and no manager in the world has all the answers but there are some things you do/say that wouldn't go down well with even your biggest fans.
 

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So basically Yedder play and it's tennis score because we're shite. Try again
Did you even follow the whole discussion or just wade in blindly for the sake of it? People were pointing out to the Pogba sub as the cause for our goals. That also coincided with the Sevilla sub who actually scored the goals. So this concept that Fellaini being taken off was the catalyst to us collapsing is hilarious when they were cutting us open at will all night and would have scored much earlier but for some shite finishing from them. Do you follow now or wanna bring up some more meaningless points. The game being over at half time may have been an exaggeration but the fact is they had poor finishing not just at OT but in the first leg as well while we struggled to create chances. So my hypothesis is still founded while yours that we would somehow be blowing them away if they scored earlier is castles in the air stuff.
 

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I think people forget how bad we were. It’s much better now - 1 bad result doesn’t change that. Jose actually put things in context quite nicely, we are still developing as a team. Let’s see where we are in a season or two.
 

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In short, under LVG we looked toothless while we look like cowards under Mourinho. One is sacked and called all sorts of names, while the other is hailed as the second coming.
We won 2 cups under Jose less than 12 months ago
We are playing better football than LvG and are not losing that often
We are 2nd in the league

Hence Jose is getting a longer rope from the board as well as some sections of fans. But yeah, he is running out if time. The third season is make or break for him. Else he will lose the fans and then the board and his job.
 

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I don't understand you people. After the Liverpool game you were all shouting "Jose masterclass", "Perfect game", "Liverpool never even threatened us", then all of a sudden when we lost to Sevilla you all lost your minds. The approach was not really different, just the reactions after the games were different. I too blame Mourinho for the lose, but you're all too fickle - one moment you're praising him to the sun and the next he's the worst manager ever. It's ridiculous.
Are you sure they’re the same posters though? I stand to be corrected but I generally have the caf fairly “split” on Jose.
 

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Until someone explains to me how Pep makes every player better, faster, stronger and their injuries clear up quicker than normal at every club he has been at i will hold fire on judging Jose
 

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Just watched the conference. Everything he said was very true. All these clubs weren't in a position as they are now because of Mourinho. I respect the hell out of his brutal honesty (even tho the Sevilla conference pissed me off), even if they are true. SAF lost to Barca twice in the final. I'm willing to give him another season easily, but I do hope he can bring this club back from the dead because of the disaster that LVG And Moyes brought on this club. Need to give him a break and get off his back. Look at the positives. Instead of acting spoilt. Yeah I get the "defensive complaint" but it winning us matches and we are 2nd.
 

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One bad result and it's amazing how many Jose haters come out of the woodwork. They were absent when we beat Liverpool and Chelsea. Some people have been waiting for him to fail since day one.

Yes he got it wrong against Sevilla, but people are actually upset as if this team had a real chance of winning the CL if we'd beaten them :lol:

If you can't see the progress we've made since scraping a solitary FA Cup under van Gaal, drawing against the likes of Cambridge then there is no hope.

This is a team in development still playing with Valencia and Young as our first choice full backs. People keep referring to City but the sad truth is that they have a better team and the only manager better than Jose. It's unfortunate.

We will have bad results but it is all about context. I expect us to finish the season strongly.
There is so much wrong in this post.
A- The so-called "haters" have been seeing the signs of regression for a while now. Mind you this regression is compared to Jose's earlier successes with us.
B- Many people complain that credit is not give when due, yet when we gave it against Liverpool and Chelsea it's considered inconsistent. This is a prime example of what's wrong with many on here who insist to not only hate or love blindly.
C- Nothing wrong with thinking that he is going to fail. It's not the same as wanting him to fail, thus the club to fail. Being concerned and expressing ones concerns doesn't mean you actively want us to be failing.
D- Only one team wins the CL every year. All the rest lose, yet all have some chance at winning it. Should Everton stop playing in the PL? Get a word with yourself on this one.
E- For the sake of argument, why can't we say the Europa League win was scraping it since we didn't draw anyone special?
F- Yet these 2 full backs have generally outperformed all new signings on a weekly basis. More, the academy players and DDG have been the core of this team for the past 2 years. Credit to Mourinho for keep giving them chances but his signings haven't really been as influential as one would hope, especially seeing as they've been better elsewhere.
 

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We won 2 cups under Jose less than 12 months ago
We are playing better football than LvG and are not losing that often
We are 2nd in the league

Hence Jose is getting a longer rope from the board as well as some sections of fans. But yeah, he is running out if time. The third season is make or break for him. Else he will lose the fans and then the board and his job.
We are better in terms of results. We also have some great attacking talent so it will be difficult to stifle them all at once so we seem some good performances from time to time. However with the talent we have up front, we have been woeful.

As foe the two cups. The Board clearly did not bother with the FA cup which is definitely higher than the League cup and Europa is not worth the trophy given out if the CL spot would not have been associated with it.
 
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