He has spent nearly two seasons setting team up to sit off teams, we run less than virtually every team in the league. He has also not established any kind of playing style in that time either, that is his doing and is cause of the problems, training for two days won’t change that.
Mourinho's post match comments
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I didn't agree with his comments mid week but I back him here.
The players are hiding behind Jose, I would have sacked every one bar DDG and Martial after the LVG email fiasco but this squad needs a kick up the ass.
We build players up too much ala Shaw and get blinded to the actual quality of our squad. The first 6 months of posts in Mikhis thread isn't isolated. Its why Martial is being waved off to Madrid or Barca to win a Balon Dor every time he's dropped.
If the players aren't even carrying out the managers instructions then kindly feck on off from our club.
The players are hiding behind Jose, I would have sacked every one bar DDG and Martial after the LVG email fiasco but this squad needs a kick up the ass.
We build players up too much ala Shaw and get blinded to the actual quality of our squad. The first 6 months of posts in Mikhis thread isn't isolated. Its why Martial is being waved off to Madrid or Barca to win a Balon Dor every time he's dropped.
If the players aren't even carrying out the managers instructions then kindly feck on off from our club.
I agree with this. If he had it before, it's long gone. Whatever he's doing is not working, no matter what he says or who he throws under the bus.
Ok sorry but then I don’t understand your previous post. I stated that we always backed the manager under Ferguson and hence there is no reason we wouldn’t do the same with Mourinho. Then you appeared to suggest that comparison was invalid because Ferguson had never lost the dressing room?
This isn't Ferguson's style either though.
And how many players are we talking here? Are we going to gut the squad based off what Mourinho thinks?
please mister take me off 
i appreciate his honesty.
i appreciate his honesty.
Email fiasco?
No because we're talking about the potential of him (Mourinho) doing so! But I'm not saying he necessarily has alienated his team (yet).
That's a really dangerous game he is playing, one hell of a risk.
It either actually inspires the team and the players with a good finish to the season, or it completely collapses like it did at Madrid and Chelsea.
It either actually inspires the team and the players with a good finish to the season, or it completely collapses like it did at Madrid and Chelsea.
He is in a much stronger position here. The players don't have the same leverage. What he is doing is necessary. Nothing changes if he comes out and says "a win is a win, I'm happy". A win is a win until it's not and then the cycle begins anew.
By the way, these comments are the proof that the moaners were right. Something isn't right despite the second place.
The manager always has to go in situations like this. He’s basically admitting he’s lost/losing the dressing room - which has basically happened everywhere he goes.
Even if you still believe in him - I don’t - you just simply can’t replace ‘6 or 7’ players as a manager. You motivate what you have, which he can’t seem to do.
@charlenefan
Utd were underperforming and LVG was sending out emails noting how and what they should improve on.
The players opened the email but never read them. They didn't know Utd had a program that could tell if they were fully read or not.
They got caught and downed tools but it was spun as paranoid LVG not trusting his players.
Id have sacked the lot of them
Utd were underperforming and LVG was sending out emails noting how and what they should improve on.
The players opened the email but never read them. They didn't know Utd had a program that could tell if they were fully read or not.
They got caught and downed tools but it was spun as paranoid LVG not trusting his players.
Id have sacked the lot of them
What makes you say that?
The board did fire 2 managers in the space of 3 years after all.
I do agree they were necessary, I hope it works for the best.
Well done Jose. This half assed, expecting to win effort needs to stop. Work for it!
Christ, shit's going south at this club at the moments. I don't even necessarily disagree with what he's saying tbh.
Martial was utterly anonymous...again! Lingard was poor, as was Mata. He's really popping off this week. Going to end in tears ultimately i think
Martial was utterly anonymous...again! Lingard was poor, as was Mata. He's really popping off this week. Going to end in tears ultimately i think
The moaners are usually onto something. It might be a bit over the top in the language at times for sure but it's usually not coming from no where.
Feck sake for 3 seasons moaners got shit for pointing out that Wayne Rooney was fecking past it.
I'm sorry but there is being constructive in criticism, and then there is being a total twat. I like José, I don't want him sacked, but he is going about the right way to lose the players here. I'm not understanding his thought process here at all?
The players aren't buying in to his ways. That's on him.
He's 100% correct.
In part because of that, actually. They don't want to fire another one. Also, he's just in a better position results-wise than he was at Chelsea. Dramatically better. Real is a whole different level of shitshow. I don't think the culture is comparable.
I might be wrong, of course, but that's what I believe.
I would have backed him if he is doing this kind of rant for the first time. But he has failed miserably with his Chelsea stint, Madrid circus and just unsure if another fight is getting started.
Or is he trying to push certain players out ? So that he can avoid fans backslash?
Or is he trying to push certain players out ? So that he can avoid fans backslash?
How? Are the club going to let him gut every single player who doesn’t believe in his methods? By the sounds of it it’s a lengthy list and it’s not like Mourinho is doing anywhere near enough to place blind faith in him to make such massive renovations to the squad.
For something I assume happened 2 years ago that's the first time I've heard any of that
The manger picked two centre halves who aren’t that good on the ball (one of who is really poor), same story in midfield and Lingard who isn’t really a playmaker. When the spine of the team is so lacking technically I don’t now what else to expect especially if other team are allowed to play without any attempt to press them.
There are players who aren’t performing but as with LVG and Moyes the management isn’t good enough.
You don't have to be a moaner to see it coming. You just have to take your head out the sand and see beyond the 2nd place in the league
Ok understood. I don’t think these comments will alienate the majority if we have the right characters in the dressing room. It could certainly become untenable for some players if their reaction is not the right one but we will see.
This is where we also need strong leadership amongst the players though to be setting the same expectations and standards amongst themselves.
Truth be told, I want to see him say it on a video because from my POV that's a terrible admission to make.
He is absolutely spot on in his assessments,the vast majority of the squad is average and has the character and mental strength of a gnat!
He clearly does not trust many of them and to get us from 6th to 2nd is actually great management given the tools at his disposal from previous failed management regimes,where would we be this season without Matic and Lukaku!
He clearly does not trust many of them and to get us from 6th to 2nd is actually great management given the tools at his disposal from previous failed management regimes,where would we be this season without Matic and Lukaku!
Whole scale squad changes are impractical as well as unaffordable. The majority of players bought in are now worth a fraction of what they were bought for - in no small part due to Mourihno.
This doesn't look like it's about belief in his methods. We don't even know his methods, we only see what the players show us. Anyway, his main gripe seems to be the lack of responsibility and courage. Those are things that any manager we appoint is going to deal with, if we don't change them. I don't think anyone's goal here is to actually make massive renovations to the squad. The aim is to wake the players up.
Something could be brewing between the players and manager. Could argue it began in the build up to the Sevilla game - which might explain the performance.
However, unlike at Mourinho's previous clubs, the board will be siding with him. If there are players in our dressing room doubting Mourinho, then they risk being turfed out come the summer.
Mourinho will think it is a win win situation - either this gets a reaction and thus better performances, or he has the leverage in which to move players on.
However, unlike at Mourinho's previous clubs, the board will be siding with him. If there are players in our dressing room doubting Mourinho, then they risk being turfed out come the summer.
Mourinho will think it is a win win situation - either this gets a reaction and thus better performances, or he has the leverage in which to move players on.
Like the old saying goes, it's easier to replace a manager than a squad,
I agree with everything he says and partly admire it and he get's stick for when defending them when awful and stick for when he lays into them but you have to have the right balance,
Every footballer needs confidence and the managers support and it's there job to both inspire them and get them playing the way you want, regardless of them not needing to be inspired to play for us it's delusion to think otherwise, but Mourinho and all top coaches get paid the millions they do to do this,
He can't replace a whole team in the summer and bar Lukaku,Matic and McTominay he seems to be pissed off with everyone, the board have some big decisions coming this summer but truth be told I think Woodward would be shit scared to show Mourinho the door until it got to utter toxic levels where he wouldnt have a choice, not saying I want Mourinho sacked but this has to be fixed before end of the season and they all head of internationally or else there all going to feel like crap coming back to Manchester to play for Mou.
I agree with everything he says and partly admire it and he get's stick for when defending them when awful and stick for when he lays into them but you have to have the right balance,
Every footballer needs confidence and the managers support and it's there job to both inspire them and get them playing the way you want, regardless of them not needing to be inspired to play for us it's delusion to think otherwise, but Mourinho and all top coaches get paid the millions they do to do this,
He can't replace a whole team in the summer and bar Lukaku,Matic and McTominay he seems to be pissed off with everyone, the board have some big decisions coming this summer but truth be told I think Woodward would be shit scared to show Mourinho the door until it got to utter toxic levels where he wouldnt have a choice, not saying I want Mourinho sacked but this has to be fixed before end of the season and they all head of internationally or else there all going to feel like crap coming back to Manchester to play for Mou.
Tonight was probably too cold for the lads.
I'm on Mourinho's side here. We can't go on protecting the players through everything. There's clearly players here that just aren't able to perform when the going gets tough. Yes we've had an abomination of a manager in Moyes previously and then Van Gaal with his shite football but were the players not responsible as well as the manager? Have we been expecting too much of some of the players that clearly haven't been good enough all along? Players that are In fundamental positions and crucial to the foundations of our building play and attack.
Since Fergie, Moyes tried the job and lost. LVG with his great resume , tried to bring success and lost. Mourinho, having managed some of the biggest clubs in the world is trying and its not clicking. If these many managers couldn't do it, what is the guarantee the next one would? At what point do we start looking past the managers into the players? There's something fundamentally wrong with our club.
Nothing wrong in anything he said.
He gave them another chance but only a couple showed it tonight. Another shoddy performance.
Positive is we won playing well below the standards expected. There’s also nothing he hasn’t already told them. Some of them strolled around doing feck all. Shaw must be done now. Never saw him once attack down the left even when he had yards of space
He gave them another chance but only a couple showed it tonight. Another shoddy performance.
Positive is we won playing well below the standards expected. There’s also nothing he hasn’t already told them. Some of them strolled around doing feck all. Shaw must be done now. Never saw him once attack down the left even when he had yards of space
It’s interesting Jose is so big on mentality but you feel that our players aren’t coached well enough. Compare that to Pochettino where his Spurs players are clearly well drilled but have won nothing and lost the tie against a mentally strong Juve in a matter of minutes.
@Roboc7
Jose doesn't have his centrebacks play out but I see the criticism as not even trying to implement the tactics Jose set out.
Jose has often praised the side if they were trying and failing so he can't even be seen as being inconsistent here.
Lukaku stands out like a sore thumb for a reason and its not down to playing like Messi.
Jose doesn't have his centrebacks play out but I see the criticism as not even trying to implement the tactics Jose set out.
Jose has often praised the side if they were trying and failing so he can't even be seen as being inconsistent here.
Lukaku stands out like a sore thumb for a reason and its not down to playing like Messi.
Totally fine with his comments after the match. There's been times through his tenure where we've played far worse than tonight and he's said the players always give everything. Aside from the occasional player being picked out for criticism, on the whole he's been very protective of the players. Tonight his comments suggested that he's had enough of making excuses for some of them.
I think a few heads will roll this summer and I'll have no complaints neither. Many on here are quick to criticise Mourinho yet defend the players, some of which clearly aren't fit to wear the shirt.
I think a few heads will roll this summer and I'll have no complaints neither. Many on here are quick to criticise Mourinho yet defend the players, some of which clearly aren't fit to wear the shirt.
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