Italy certainly and Netherlands to a lesser extent
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FWIW I hate discrimination like that in general but football isn't run like that. It is a bit political, you have to "satisfy" as much people as you can. Besides there is always the Euro for the most competitive tournament and it has also gotten bigger
Oh now you're just going to make stupid assumptions about what I want?
As already pointed out before which you ignored.
The WC has increase from 16 to 32 in the last 40 years.
CAF has gone from 1 place to 5 in that same time span, AFC 2 places to 5.5 in 2022, Concacaf has gone from 1 to 3.5
CAF has already had a 400% increase in places in the last 40 years, are they doing any better nowadays?
There’s plenty of European teams not as strong as France or Germany and the like too. Do they not deserve more of a chance also?
Totally agreed, I'm not suggesting Europe should be getting a bigger slice of places, but nothing we've seen on the pitch justifies that kind of increase for AFC, CAF or Concacaf.
Good pointOh now you're just going to make stupid assumptions about what I want?
As already pointed out before which you ignored.
The WC has increase from 16 to 32 in the last 40 years.
CAF has gone from 1 place to 5 in that same time span, AFC 2 places to 5.5 in 2022, Concacaf has gone from 1 to 3.5
CAF has already had a 400% increase in places in the last 40 years, are they doing any better nowadays?
Israel should definitely try to move to AFC if they ever want to go to a WC, even Turkey and Russia could try if they want a easier route.
I disagree. We should reward good performance. So more spots for UEFA and cut some from CAF/CONCACAF. There are like 15 teams from UEFA not at the WC that are better than Panama.
Europe get 2 extra slots. Sorted.
I may as well as try just to see how it feels. They're doing a little better yeah because even if it's terrible generally speaking, 2 teams have managed to reach the QFs and one even fecked up a unique chance to reach the semi.Oh now you're just going to make stupid assumptions about what I want?
As already pointed out before which you ignored.
The WC has increase from 16 to 32 in the last 40 years.
CAF has gone from 1 place to 5 in that same time span, AFC 2 places to 5.5 in 2022, Concacaf has gone from 1 to 3.5
CAF has already had a 400% increase in places in the last 40 years, are they doing any better nowadays?
They do obviously. It's gonna be impossible to satisfy every country of every continent sadly. There is no right system IMHO.
There are 15 African teams not at the world cup who are better than Panama were.
Like I said many times before, having every confederation playoff against UEFA will be much fairer, if they're good enough, they'd get there.
AFC 6 + 2x0.5
CAF 7 + 2x0.5
CONCACAF 4 + 2x0.5
CONMEBOL 6 + 2x0.5
OFC 1
UEFA 20 + 8x0.5
Something like this?
In that case we should be arguing if Concacaf should have FEWER places?
Poland were also shite, should we reduce UEFA's allocation?
Germany, one of UEFA's best teams, lost to South Korea, and MExico. Surely that is more evidence that UEFA need FEWER places?
Hasn't UEFA been awarded with 16 teams and CONMEBOL with 6 for 2026?
You are distorting your argument aren't you? Your claim is shit CAF, AFC and CONCACAF teams are regularly at the world cup - that is what I understand you to have said. That is different from teams from CAF are regularly shit. And yes, just like England.What? England surely don't belong in that group.
Anyway, let's see... teams who crash out with ZERO point after the group stage: *CON means CONCACAF
2018: Egypt (CAF), Panama (CON)
2014: Cameroon (CAF), Australia (AFC), Honduras (CON)
2010: Cameroon (CAF), North Korea (AFC)
2006: Costa Rica (CON), Serbia and Montenegro (UEFA), Togo (CAF)
4 WCs, 10 teams have gone home with ZERO point, CAF have accounted for 40%, CONCACAF 30%, AFC 20%, UEFA 10%
This proves that CAF, CONCACAF and AFC have more shit sides in the WC than UEFA. No?
I am countering, and specifically for CAF, that the the regular CAF teams though not as strong as the European or South American teams, are usually the power houses of African football. So again where are these Shit CAF teamst that are regualarly at the World Cup. Or did you mean to say AFC, CONCACAF and CAF teams are shit and so should be limited at the World Cup?
I disagree, why don't we cut some UEFA teams, since UEFA has a fraction of the population of CAF?
For any yardstick by which you justify cutting CAF participat, there is one as well that justifies reducing or limiting Europe's participation.
That's actually not bad but it would never be approved
Yes? Don't see what is funny there
Do you seriously want to go there?
The average number of points earned by UEFA teams in World Cups is much higher than CAF, AFC and Concacaf.
Talking about shit sides at the WC:
Teams who crash out with ZERO point after the group stage: *CON means CONCACAF
2018: Egypt (CAF), Panama (CON)
2014: Cameroon (CAF), Australia (AFC), Honduras (CON)
2010: Cameroon (CAF), North Korea (AFC)
2006: Costa Rica (CON), Serbia and Montenegro (UEFA), Togo (CAF)
Yes, I'm just arguing it's a ludicrous distribution
Well, I know that 2026 allocation is already been decided.
But @Cal? the decision already has been made, there is nothing you can do about that, there is always EURO 2020 with 24 teams, who by the way I feel it was a awfull idea
What I meant was some teams from CAF, AFC and Concacaf that make the WC are shit. Apologies for not phrasing it better.You are distorting your argument aren't you? Your claim is shit CAF, AFC and CONCACAF teams are regularly at the world cup - that is what I understand you to have said. That is different from teams from CAF are regularly shit. And yes, just like England.
I am countering, and specifically for CAF, that the the regular CAF teams though not as strong as the European or South American teams, are usually the power houses of African football. So again where are these Shit CAF teamst that are regualarly at the World Cup. Or did you mean to say AFC, CONCACAF and CAF teams are shit and so should be limited at the World Cup?
I disagree, why don't we cut some UEFA teams, since UEFA has a fraction of the population of CAF?
For any yardstick by which you justify cutting CAF participat, there is one as well that justifies reducing or limiting Europe's participation.
This is a football competition, so footballing standard should count, not population.
There are many things we argue on the Caf that none of us can do anything about. Does anyone seriously think Jose reads our comments on which players we should sign?But @Cal? the decision already has been made, there is nothing you can do about that, there is always EURO 2020 with 24 teams, who by the way I feel it was a awfull idea
I agree the 24 team Euro is an awful idea, at least it worked out for Ronaldo.
Do you doubt Jose hasn't sometime on his life had the chance to read here some things? If not I suspect he is the kind of person who would hire someone to bump the threads where there is someone against him, never bet against himThere are many things we argue on the Caf that none of us can do anything about. Does anyone seriously think Jose reads our comments on which players we should sign?
I agree the 24 team Euro is an awful idea, at least it worked out for Ronaldo.
I hear the drums echoing tonight.
I doubt he'd do that.Do you doubt Jose hasn't sometime on his life had the chance to read here some things? If not I suspect he is the kind of person who would hire someone to bump the threads where there is someone against him, never bet against him
Anyway the point is we discuss plenty of things we can't change.
Well, I know that 2026 allocation is already been decided.
Don't worry, 48 teams World Cup might help Cristiano (you know he will play) tooWe all know who the best teams in the world are.
Top tier: Brazil, Spain, France, Belgium, Germany (when they turn up),
Second tier: Croatia, England, Argentina, Portugal, Uruguay
Giving UEFA more places isnt going to add another Germany, France or Belgium to this tournament. It might add a Scotland or Slovakia. Are Scotland or Slovakia better than the United States or Ivory Coast?
These were the number of wins from the group phase, after taking out the top 10 teams listed above.
Asia 2 - 0 Africa
Europe 1 - 1 South America
South America 1 - 1 Asia
Africa 2 - 1 Europe
Europe 2 - 0 North America
Europe 3 - 0 Asia
North America 1 - 0 Asia
Africa 1 - 0 North America
South America 1 - 0 Africa
Note, that DOESNT include South Korea And Mexico beating Germany and so on, because results against the top 10 teams are taken out.
Here we clearly see that African teams have got the better of the European counterparts (Poland 1-2 Senegal and Nigeria 2-0 Iceland), whilst Europe did well against Asia and North America.
Over all, Europe's results against other confederations after taking out the top 10 teams looks like this:
W 6 - D 2 - L 4
Again, that doesn't include Germany's losses, or Serbia's loss to Brazil, or Russia's loss to Uruguay, etc
We know that UEFA have many of the best squads in the world right now... but after you take out the 10 best teams in the world, African, American, and Asian teams will give Europe a real go.
Top tier: Brazil, Spain, France, Belgium, Germany (when they turn up),
Second tier: Croatia, England, Argentina, Portugal, Uruguay
Giving UEFA more places isnt going to add another Germany, France or Belgium to this tournament. It might add a Scotland or Slovakia. Are Scotland or Slovakia better than the United States or Ivory Coast?
These were the number of wins from the group phase, after taking out the top 10 teams listed above.
Asia 2 - 0 Africa
Europe 1 - 1 South America
South America 1 - 1 Asia
Africa 2 - 1 Europe
Europe 2 - 0 North America
Europe 3 - 0 Asia
North America 1 - 0 Asia
Africa 1 - 0 North America
South America 1 - 0 Africa
Note, that DOESNT include South Korea And Mexico beating Germany and so on, because results against the top 10 teams are taken out.
Here we clearly see that African teams have got the better of the European counterparts (Poland 1-2 Senegal and Nigeria 2-0 Iceland), whilst Europe did well against Asia and North America.
Over all, Europe's results against other confederations after taking out the top 10 teams looks like this:
W 6 - D 2 - L 4
Again, that doesn't include Germany's losses, or Serbia's loss to Brazil, or Russia's loss to Uruguay, etc
We know that UEFA have many of the best squads in the world right now... but after you take out the 10 best teams in the world, African, American, and Asian teams will give Europe a real go.
Seriously? At 41?
I think he'll play the next one in Qatar and that's it.
Of course they are! UEFA has Germany, England, Belgium, France, Spain and Portugal!
But adding more places for UEFA doesn't duplicate them!
Giving UEFA more places is likely to add Italy and one of the other sides that lost in the playoffs, not Scotland.
Anyway, UEFA sides very very rarely make a complete mess of the WC and finish on ZERO point.
Teams who crash out with ZERO point after the group stage: *CON means CONCACAF
2018: Egypt (CAF), Panama (CON)
2014: Cameroon (CAF), Australia (AFC), Honduras (CON)
2010: Cameroon (CAF), North Korea (AFC)
2006: Costa Rica (CON), Serbia and Montenegro (UEFA), Togo (CAF)
Russia beat Egypt. Portugal beat Morocco. England and Belgium beat Tunisia. It's Europe 5 - 2 Africa.
Portugal result doesn't count as they are one of my top 10 teams
48 team world cup is an absolute farse, increase in number of teams achieves nothing apart from diluting quality of the tournament. Empirically proven as well now. Hopefully after eventual trashings and boring games that we’re going see FIFA comes to sense.
Surely that's the same argument against every confederation.
Adding more places for AFC doesn't add more Japan or Korea, but the likes of Syria.
Adding more places for CAF doesn't add more Nigeria or Senegal, but DR Congo or Bukina Faso.
What’s the point in qualifiers then if such large number of countries are going to participate? Waste of space and time. That comes from someone whose country never participated in a major tournament.
The Pandora's box has been opened, good luck reducing the number of teams in the future.
The only way to fix this is just go 64 teams and add an extra round.