Jones & Rojo next please.
Darmian to Juventus?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Darmian's done well for himself in this scenario. That's for sure.
Young, Valencia and Shaw are adequate squad players. Dalot is the future. What we need is to improve the first team not the squad depth.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
If Darmian to Juventus is done then hopefully that means we've agreed a reasonable price for Alex Sandro.
Please be true
Darmian, Blind, Carrick, off our wage bill, great news. Should be around 215.000 / week.
Well if he's gone then I guess we're in for first-squad left back, unless there's some promotion coming up from within the youth. Blind and Darmian, albeit far from being first team options, were still options should somebody get injured, especially Darmian who can plan on both LB and RB. Now it's Young and Shaw for LB (with the latter hopefully being next in line to leave) and Valencia/Dalot for RB, surely means we're in for somebody more.
How is Darmian good enough for Juventus but not able to get a game for us ahead of Valencia or Young? This is a baffling turn of events. All we need now is for Real Madrid to swoop in for Smalling.
I thought Carrick was on at least that himself
I would not count on a club known for refs bribing, match fixing and general corruption on top of being 2nd hand care salesman to act in a professional and classy manner.
Because it's a completely different league, and different players suit different styles of play. Italian players are notoriously bad travellers to other countries. Have a glance at the Wikipedia entry on Italian premier league players, it's a who's who of disasters.
May have gotten less money when signing his extension? Googled it, not sure if true:I thought Carrick was on at least that himself
Blind: 75.000£ / w
Darmian: 60.000£ / w
Carrick: 80.000£ / w
Young is on 110.000£ / w
Nah its more the case that Italian players tend not to be mammoni and would never consider moving abroad unless they need to. Thus only those who cannot make it at top clubs end up leaving. The real talent who did moved abroad made it big time. Vialli, Ravanelli, Zola, Di Canio and Vieri to name a few. All of these players had 2 things in common. They were top notch players and they were forced to leave their clubs (the former four because their club pushed them out, the last because Mino wanted so)
Incredible that Young would be on 30k a week more than Carrick given what they have brought to the club.May have gotten less money when signing his extension? Googled it, not sure if true:
Blind: 75.000£ / w
Darmian: 60.000£ / w
Carrick: 80.000£ / w
Young is on 110.000£ / w
please please please!
If we shift him maybe we can start on at least one of our centre backs.
Carrick barely played last year though.
Didn’t Carrick sign a contract extension just 1-2 years ago?
But you suggest players should have their salaries based on their history, not current contribution?
People were asking why Blind was left in Europe, but Darmian was taken in the US. Here's the answer - Juve's flying for a pre season tour in the US as well. Selling Blind and Darmian means buying a full back for sure.
I imagine Carrick isn’t working for free.
Would be the case I suppose. Although Dalot can play on both LB and RB and we have Valencia, Young, Rojo, TFM, Mitchell who can all play as fullbacks. Hope we can get a LB, but I'm still not convinced we will.
I'd like to think so as well, but not necessarily. Dalot will take Darmian's place in the squad with Valencia as first choice. Even with Blind leaving, we've still got Young, Rojo and Shaw as LB options. That's not even taking into account of youth players like Mitchell. We may be short on quality full backs, but we've got the numbers, so selling Darmian and Blind for Dalot doesn't mean that we're buying another full back for sure imo. I mean the original plan was to presumably sell all of Darmian, Blind and Shaw for Dalot and Sandro, so with Shaw staying, it's not as certain.
Dalot out till September
I can imagine that as a (junior) staff member he'll earn an amount not even close to his playing days. And Rui Faria left as well...
I know, but Mourinho might think we have enough cover with Valencia/TFM/Dalot (september) and Young/Shaw/Mitchell/Rojo.
Or he could be after Sandro like its been reported?
We've bought one, and Shaw is staying and looking revved up to give it a proper shot if he's allowed to.
I know a full back is deemed as vital by many on here, but I'm not so sure myself, Valencia, Dalot, And Jones (if desperate) can play RB, then Young, Shaw, and Rojo (if desperate) can play LB, I just don't see it, plus there's players like Mitchell, and TFM if really needed.
When you consider we literally have no natural RW, or credible competition for Lukaku, then surely our priorities should lie elsewhere.
I think he'll do really well for Juve, Serie A suits his style of play more.
Mitchell will probably go out on loan again and Jose said Rojo isn't a good LB so i dont think he'll play there.
Technical ineptitude, poor defensive awareness and the inablity to cross the ball?
Shaw's ship had sailed long ago. He has been with us since 2014, he never really produced anything of note, he's been criticised by the manager for not putting enough effort and if rumours are true he just rejected Everton. That's plenty of no nos for Mou. I can see Valencia and Dalot fighting it for the RB role with TFM 'exploiting' Valencia's twilight years to get more experience while on loan. Meanwhile Young and a new guy will do the same on the left flank with Rojo cover the LB (in a horrifying way) if needed
I know, just playing the devil's advocate. You still have Valencia/TFM/Dalot (september) and Young/Shaw
Can someone tell me who is this guy raimondi? And why are we taking what he says as gospel? I really want this to happen, departure of darmian is like a new signing for me so i need confirmation befoee any excitement. I have never such a spineless and pointless player playing for us. He is actually a coward.
There's 2 major 'schools' of defending in Italy. The AC Milan school of thought which rely on top notch defenders like Nesta, Maldini, Stam, Cafu and Baresi. Then there's the Juventus school of thought which rely on hardworking tough tackling 'Gary Neville' type of defenders which are rather not great individually but are quite impressive as a unit. Thus you see players like Barzagli, Cannavaro, Chiellini, Di Livio and Torricelli.
The latter line of thought allow Juventus to do very well while spending little money in terms of salaries/fees. Yet its not perfect. Juventus doesn't think that you need to overpay defenders. All they need to have is the right attitude and the ability to merge into the collective. Players did broke ranks because of it. We've seen Bonucci leaving last year and Sandro threatening to do the same this year.
Darmian provide Juventus with options. He can play on the left and on the right. He also allow Juventus to stick to their school of thought and while I am not a big fan of him, I can see him stick in the tactical rigid system Juventus use. He won't be needed to attack or cross simply because Dybala, Pjanic, Ronaldo, Costa and Bernardeschi can provide plenty of fire power. Why insist on keeping a ferrari who drinks fuel like a drunk at wetherspoon to go to work when a fiat panda can do?
If things work then they get a decent replacement for Sandro. If it fails, well they will sell him and recoup the pocket money they'll probably pay us for Darmian.
You're not his biggest fan then?
Basically, this.
Does Darmian have fans?
Everyone has fans. There are some Fellaini fans on here. Pretty sure you can find some Moyes boys if you dig deep
Don't be fooled by the player we saw here. I've watched him for Italy and he's like a different player, think he'll do well in Italy but it's probably a case of him not being suited to our game.
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