We will go on a run after this game against Tottenham

[Sunny Jim]

I believe it’s denial in the Kubler-Ross model

agreed

 

[Robbie Boy]

We had 23 shots to their 9. We could have scored a good few as well.

Who said differently? They had a-few sitters on top of the 3 they scored, like really good chances. A-lot of our shots were pretty pointless shite, in all honesty. Oh well, this is how far standards have fallen, I guess. After being tonked 3 nil at home by Spurs, it's ok to come out with the rhetoric that we had a good first half. feck me.

 

[pocco]

I very much doubt it. I think our form will be patchy all the way up until Jose goes. We might have the odd impressive win that people think this could be the turning point, but it won't be.

If we play like we did last night we'll take teams apart and you'll be eating your words.

 

[Treble]

If we can’t beat Burnley who would have played on Thursday in a Europa league game and have been shocking this season then Mourinho should start packing his bags and vacating his room at the Lowry.

Draw for me. They will fight and that will be a problem.

 

[Judas]

If we play like we did last night we'll take teams apart and you'll be eating your words.

If Jose goes out with a similar plan as he did yesterday in the first half next weekend, I'll very surprised. I hope I'm wrong though, but I bet we go back to what we've been seeing in the previous games.

 

[Treble]

If we play like we did last night we'll take teams apart and you'll be eating your words.

If we play the same way vs Liverpool and City and Chelsea, the final result won't be much different. Defence was shocking last night.

 

[Bojan11]

Who said differently? They had a-few sitters on top of the 3 they scored, like really good chances. A-lot of our shots were pretty pointless shite, in all honesty. Oh well, this is how far standards have fallen, I guess. After being tonked 3 nil at home by Spurs, it's ok to come out with the rhetoric that we had a good first half. feck me.

Exactly this plus they had a stone wall pen not given. Then there was a long ball that if Lucas knew Smalling was going to miss it he would have scored. Then another long ball they played where Alli was through but Herrera made a last ditch tackle.

The standards on here have dropped if people are getting happy about that match. I guess the silent domination is back.

 

[pocco]

Who said differently? They had a-few sitters on top of the 3 they scored, like really good chances. A-lot of our shots were pretty pointless shite, in all honesty. Oh well, this is how far standards have fallen, I guess. After being tonked 3 nil at home by Spurs, it's ok to come out with the rhetoric that we had a good first half. feck me.

We played a new system that has Spurs players panicking and arguing. It looked good and created openings which we didn't exploit. Shock horror it didn't 100% click the first time we tried it, but it generally doesn't happen that way away from FIFA. Honestly, that was the best I've seen us in years last night and I feel hopeful after what I saw last night. If Jose turns his back on it next week then I'll be annoyed.

 

[pocco]

If we play the same way vs Liverpool and City and Chelsea, the final result won't be much different. Defence was shocking last night.

So what do you want? Jose to go defensive again? Nobody accepted that at the time, but some are now cottoning on to why he perhaps played that way.

 

[TMDaines]

If we play like we did last night we'll take teams apart and you'll be eating your words.

How can we expect to take teams apart when based on our chances conceded last night, we would expect to concede 1.8 goals on average?

That wasn’t the worst performance last night, but feck me, it was no blueprint for the future.

 

[pocco]

If we play the same way vs Liverpool and City and Chelsea, the final result won't be much different. Defence was shocking last night.

There's 16 other teams. We do what we need to do in those fixtures against the better teams.

 

[Robbie Boy]

We played a new system that has Spurs players panicking and arguing. It looked good and created openings which we didn't exploit. Shock horror it didn't 100% click the first time we tried it, but it generally doesn't happen that way away from FIFA. Honestly, that was the best I've seen us in years last night and I feel hopeful after what I saw last night. If Jose turns his back on it next week then I'll be annoyed.

We have had plenty of these dawns under Mourinho where it looked like things were starting to click. Yet here we are 3 seasons into his tenure and we generally look a disjointed mess. I just can't get as giddy about a half of football where we actually tried to play against Spurs at home and ended up losing 3 nil. This should be the norm ffs, I mean at Old Trafford we should be going out all guns blazing, no matter who the opposition is.

 

[saivet]

How was it not structured? The players looked well drilled and had clear roles. Herrera wasn't playing where he was by accident.

I was at the game and trust me, Spurs were panicking. Their players were arguing and didn't know what to do with our movement. The "Bury Beckham" Trippier was getting run ragged by Shaw.

The game and first half in particular just seemed very frantic with a lot of misplaced passes and defensive mistakes from both teams. I just didn't think the quality of football was all that good.

I think we did surprise them, and had plenty of efforts, but didn't feel like we were creating lots of good chances, more applying pressure well.

Plus in that first half, Spurs should have had a penalty and while not having as many shots as us, got into good positions on a few occasions.

 

[Treble]

So what do you want? Jose to go defensive again? Nobody accepted that at the time, but some are now cottoning on to why he perhaps played that way.

Good attack does not exclude good defence though. City broke all attacking records all season and had the best defensive record too. Liverpool look very solid in defence now while being very productive in attack. Last night we were good for 30 min. After that Spurs were creating the better chances.

 

[pocco]

How can we expect to take teams apart when based on our chances conceded last night, we would expect to concede 1.8 goals on average?

That wasn’t the worst performance last night, but feck me, it was no blueprint for the future.

Because we don't play Spurs every week. Because our defenders hopefully improve. That was the first game of the season for some of them last night, let's not forgot. They will get better. It's about establishing something now that we can build on, and last night was exactly that.

 

[balaks]

There were some good signs for you lot particularly in the first half - some nice flowing attacking movements. If you can sort out that defence (which is currently terrible) then you are more than capable on going a sustained run of results.

 

[pocco]

Good attack does not exclude good defence though. City broke all attacking records all season and had the best defensive record too. Liverpool look very solid in defence now while being very productive in attack. Last night we were good for 30 min. After that Spurs were creating the better chances.

See my other post. Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Matic, Herrera. These players have barely played in the first games, their fitness wasn't 100%, shock horror. Besides, Spurs are a good team you know.

 

[DRM]

Yes I agree with the thread title, we will go on a run after this. A run to the asylum.

 

[Trizy]

I agree with most of what you said. I honestly thought we were fantastic to watch but our attack (namely Lingard and Lukaku) let us down big time. This type of tempo and formation was crying out for Sanchez over Lingard.

Only problem is we seem to be game raisers against big teams and are too relaxed against bottom teams.

You also must take into account that smaller teams won't come at us as much as Spurs. They'll be happy to park the bus. We've struggled every year since Fergie to break down defensive teams. Even against Spurs after they got the two quick goals they sat deep and we never looked like scoring.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

A run?

I'm not even sure we'll beat Burnley.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Not sure why some keep bleating on about us having 23 shots. Both teams had 5 on target ffs and Spurs made theirs count. Had both teams put their chances on target away, it would been a draw. Oh how we laugh at Liverpool for having so many shots per-game, but so few on target, but in this instance, the goalposts have been well and truly moved.

 

[Robbie Boy]

A run?

I'm not even sure we'll beat Burnley.

Since Mourinho has taken over we have won two and drawn two against Burley. So yeah, I'm not too sure either.

 

[Bojan11]

Not sure why some keep bleating on about the us having 23 shots. Both teams had 5 on target ffs and Spurs made theirs count. Had both teams had put their chances on target away, it would been a draw. Oh how we laugh at Liverpool for having so many shots per-game, but so few on target, but in this instance, the goalposts have been well and truly moved.

It’s ok we ran more and gen pressed them for half an hour. Big appauld for Mourinho and the boys. Only 3-0 loss at home to Spurs. Should be happy after that.

 

[suhaylah]

A loss to Burnley and Mourinho will be out imho.

 

[Treble]

See my other post. Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Matic, Herrera. These players have barely played in the first games, their fitness wasn't 100%, shock horror. Besides, Spurs are a good team you know.

Spurs themselves are not in top form though, lame excuse that. They had more players in the final week in the WC. Besides, most other teams won't play with a high line at OT. Much of the good things last night came from winning the ball high up the pitch and exploiting the free spaces left by them. Won't happen against smaller teams. We are bound to attack the smaller teams anyway.

 

[Robbie Boy]

It’s ok we ran more and gen pressed them for half an hour. Big appauld for Mourinho and the boys. Only 3-0 loss at home to Spurs. Should be happy after that.

I wanted Mourinho, but it clearly isn't working for him here. Some of the excuses and praise I'm reading after a 3 nil home defeat to Spurs is bewildering.

 

[Bojan11]

Spurs themselves are not in top form though, lame excuse that. They had more players in the final week in the WC. Besides, most other teams won't play with a high line at OT. Much of the good things last night came from winning the ball high up the pitch and exploiting the free spaces left by them. Won't happen against smaller teams. We are bound to attack the smaller teams anyway.

Also we terrible at dealing with set pieces and long balls despite being one of the tallest team in the league. Which boggles me. What does Mourinho actually do in training?

All the smaller teams would have seen our shambolic defending from set pieces and work on that.

 

[Bojan11]

I wanted Mourinho, but it clearly isn't working for him here. Some of the excuses and praise I'm reading after a 3 nil home defeat to Spurs is bewildering.

I wanted him too.

But that Sevilla game was the last straw for me. He basically gifted them that game with his shit house tactics in both games. Treated them like they were Real Madrid or Barca.

 

[Bestietom]

Who said differently? They had a-few sitters on top of the 3 they scored, like really good chances. A-lot of our shots were pretty pointless shite, in all honesty. Oh well, this is how far standards have fallen, I guess. After being tonked 3 nil at home by Spurs, it's ok to come out with the rhetoric that we had a good first half. feck me.

A Good half hour and then we were found out. for the last 15 minutes of first half you could see spurs were coming into the game more and more with Lucas attacking our weak points.

 

[Infra-red]

Draw for me. They will fight and that will be a problem.

Agreed. Reckon it'll be a draw.

 

[Snafu17]

It can't get much worse tbf. This season is Moyes level already.

This is a ridiculously dumb opinion.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

This is a ridiculously dumb opinion.

I mean Moyes as bad he was got off to a better start after 3 games.

And this current season is eerily similar to that Chelsea 2015-2016 debacle.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I wanted Mourinho, but it clearly isn't working for him here. Some of the excuses and praise I'm reading after a 3 nil home defeat to Spurs is bewildering.

It makes no sense to me either.

The standards here have fallen mightily.

 

[Rooney24]

As well as being tactically a disaster the biggest problem in my opinion is the team is mentally very weak. Once Spurs scored that was it. They crumbled. There wasnt a hint of them getting a point out of it nevermind 3.

I honestly dont see us going on a run. There will be a win or two here and there followed up with a draw or a defeat. And this will be how it is gonna be all season. If people want to paint that as negative so be it. Id prefer to call it realistic.

There are no leaders in that squad at all. Not one. They are just 11 guys running around after a football with no one to lead them in what to do once they get it. Its all very fragmented.

I like Jose and have some sympathy for him but from what I see he has lost the players and will have to go. Its just a question of when now.

 

[deafepl]

If Shaw can do like that in his performance against Spurs, I hope Dalot will do the same thing, we would be more improved, better attacking with Dalot and Shaw.

 

[CLK_FPC]

I like the optimism but I don't share it, we may struggle to score against a pragmatic Burnley as well

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

I was pleasantly surprised by our play in the first half last night and thought Shaw's performance was an unreserved positive. However I'd be much more optimistic if the changes felt like a calculated step forward rather than a final throw of the dice from a beleaguered manager. We have so many areas of doubt and weakness in our set up at the moment that I can see more things going wrong than going right.

I'd love to be wrong but I don't a run on the cards.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

I like the optimism but I don't share it, we may struggle to score against a pragmatic Burnley as well

Have you seen how Burnley has looked so far this season?

 

[Rooney24]

If we play the same way vs Liverpool and City and Chelsea, the final result won't be much different. Defence was shocking last night.

It will be very different. Twice as bad I would say. City and Liverpool would thrash us. Im really dreading those games.

 

[Judas]

I was pleasantly surprised by our play in the first half last night and thought Shaw's performance was an unreserved positive. However I'd be much more optimistic if the changes felt like a calculated step forward rather than a final throw of the dice from a beleaguered manager. We have so many areas of doubt and weakness in our set up at the moment that I can see more things going wrong than going right.

I'd love to be wrong but I don't a run on the cards.

Nail on the head. Seemed like a hail mary oh just go for it more than a stroke of tactical genius.