The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Zlatan 7]

Mate it hasn't been confirmed anywhere but even if he has it doesn't even make a different it just adds to the story of him being frustrated under mourinho for several reasons which honestly are understandable and it's no coincidence that it happens with big players at every club Jose is at.

How do we know the fall out is being pushed by players because they know about his past?
I don’t buy into this he fell out in his last club stuff, thats an easy out for our current players to use and be lapped up by the masses.

As it is I don’t know who’s doing or saying what behind closed doors, it’s just not a great time to constantly be talking about dramas.

 

[mancan92]

How do we know the fall out is being pushed by players because they know about his past?
I don’t buy into this he fell out in his last club stuff, thats an easy out for our current players to use and be lapped up by the masses.

As it is I don’t know who’s doing or saying what behind closed doors, it’s just not a great time to constantly be talking about dramas.

No because whilst he has been at the club he has called them out constantly, alienated players, constantly talked about them not being good enough openly. That's enough to lose the dressing room

 

[breakout67]

Hasn't Jose won a treble, hasn't Jose won league titles?
I'm not even a huge fan of the man but the criticism of him doesn't seem to be based on facts and reality. If Sir alex's previous record was enough to warrant him keeping the job in tough times, why does the same not apply to Mourinho?

That's rather self explanatory really. Because it's an emotional argument, so its based on the emotion of SAF winning stuff with us. Its nonsensical to exclusively look at what's done at United, you can't even hire a new manager with that reasoning because you have to look at the work he's done at other clubs.

Sentimentality is why Wenger stayed on for so long at Arsenal, they didn't want to sack him because the board were too loyal and attached to him for what he had done at Arsenal.

Sacking Mourinho for the sake of it is pointless, his successor should have been planned out when he was appointed. It's what top clubs try to do, they estimate how long the manager will stay and sound out several people to succeed them.

 

[el3mel]

Mate it hasn't been confirmed anywhere but even if he has it doesn't even make a different it just adds to the story of him being frustrated under mourinho for several reasons which honestly are understandable and it's no coincidence that it happens with big players at every club Jose is at.

So you're extremely fine by him telling the CEO he wants out from the club in summer ?

 

[JPRouve]

So you're extremely fine by him telling the CEO he wants out from the club in summer ?

How do you feel about it?

 

[Zlatan 7]

No because whilst he has been at the club he has called them out constantly, alienated players, constantly talked about them not being good enough openly. That's enough to lose the dressing room

Yes and I totally agree, I don’t like how the manager has behaved at all, I’m not a massive defender of either him or Pogba.
I just feel a lot of that you mention about calling players out, not being good enough could potentialy fire players in to proving him wrong, fighting for their place and working their socks off, shaw is an easy example to use but he seems to have taken to it well.
Unfortunately I think a lot of the players have used the drop their shoulders and know there’s an easy out option of fall outs in the past. Of course I don’t know for sure, no one but each individual player knows their true effort and commitment

 

[el3mel]

How do you feel about it?

I think both won't be here next season. We're not getting top 4 mostly so Mourinho will be sacked and Raiola will push for his player's move to Barca next summer. That looks like the most predictable scenario for me.

Barca and Raiola had done their job on Pogba. It's Coutinho saga vol2, just being helped by his feud with Mourinho.

 

[hn4manunited]

He won them for other clubs, a long time ago. All that matters is what he's done for United, and so far that's very little.

You mean just a few seasons ago?

 

[JPRouve]

I think both won't be here next season. We're not getting top 4 mostly so Mourinho will be sacked and Raiola will push for his player's move to Barca next summer. That looks like the most predictable scenario for me.

Barca and Raiola had done their job on Pogba. It's Coutinho saga vol2, just being helped by his feud with Mourinho.

Sorry, I should have been more precise. How do you feel about a player asking to leave?

For what it's worth, I don't think that it's true. I think that they will go for De Jong because they already have their midfield three, they already added Arthur and they don't have Neymar's money anymore. I see it like the nonsensical Dembélé rumours this summer, Barcelona's press wanted to create drama and sell papers.

 

[el3mel]

Sorry, I should have been more precise. How do you feel about a player asking to leave?

For what it's worth, I don't think that it's true. I think that they will go for De Jong because they already have their midfield three, they already added Arthur and they don't have Neymar's money anymore. I see it like the nonsensical Dembélé rumours this summer, Barcelona's press wanted to create drama and sell papers.

If a player asks to leave, he should leave, nothing personal just that there's no point keeping a player who has another club on his mind and made it clear to the board. Adding this to the point of having Raiola as your agent, it complicates it more since he will never let it go and will try to get a move done sooner or later.

 

[BlueHaze]

I just want to say that to all of you who still support Mourinho, while I respect your opinion, I am at the same time shocked. You all need to understand that whatever way you put it this squad is MORE than capable of finishing top 4 comfortably. We are however struggling and I can definitely see us finishing outside top 4 this year, that is completely unaceptable and completely down to management. Don't let Mourinho fool you into thinking that for example a Toby or a Maguire would make any vast difference, while our defence is not the best it's offensively we are struggling the most and we have players like Lukaku Sanchez Rashford Martial etc. We have been playing absolutely lackluster football for a long time now and are getting outplayed by sides like WBA, Wolves and Derby at home, it's getting to a point now where he has to go.

In terms of sponsorships Adidas is the one we make the most money from and if we finish outside top 4 they will probably bail on us and we get 75m per season from them. Also the fact that Pogba will most likely leave in the summer or even january and the fact that Martial wants to leave as well accompanied with De Gea not being interested in renewing, these are all worrying things to think about. The way things are going at the moment shows me that it's going to be very tough times ahead and that it's going to take years before we start competing again and ask yourselves, how can it be this bad when we are the wealthiest club in england by far, and even number 1 in the world.

 

[Mainoldo]

I think it would make most sense to drop Pogba until he starts respecting the manager. Short-term it might be tricky, but long-term it is the only way to go IMV. Now if that happens, we could go to a 352 which probably suits our personnel better. With Shaw and hopefully Dalot providing the width. The biggest problem with that is which 3 centre backs to go for, because we'd really do need one who is capable on the ball.

---------------de Gea
------Bailly--Smalling--Lindelof
Dalot--------------------------Shaw
-------Fred---Matic---Pereira
-----Lukaku/Rash---Martial/Sanchez

@RedSky
That coincides with the Sanchez signing

How about! We just sack Mourinho and play better football. Your high as a kite if you think Pereira is playing over McTomminay.

 

[breakout67]

I just want to say that to all of you who still support Mourinho, while I respect your opinion, I am at the same time shocked. You all need to understand that whatever way you put it this squad is MORE than capable of finishing top 4 comfortably. We are however struggling and I can definitely see us finishing outside top 4 this year, that is completely unaceptable and completely down to management. Don't let Mourinho fool you into thinking that for example a Toby or a Maguire would make any vast difference, while our defence is not the best it's offensively we are struggling the most and we have players like Lukaku Sanchez Rashford Martial etc. We have been playing absolutely lackluster football for a long time now and are getting outplayed by sides like WBA, Wolves and Derby at home, it's getting to a point now where he has to go.

In terms of sponsorships Adidas is the one we make the most money from and if we finish outside top 4 they will probably bail on us and we get 75m per season from them. Also the fact that Pogba will most likely leave in the summer or even january and the fact that Martial wants to leave as well accompanied with De Gea not being interested in renewing, these are all worrying things to think about. The way things are going at the moment shows me that it's going to be very tough times ahead and that it's going to take years before we start competing again and ask yourselves, how can it be this bad when we are the wealthiest club in england by far, and even number 1 in the world.

You're talking about being shocked then saying he should be sacked now because we'll miss out on top 4. Were you born yesterday and have not seen how you don't get a clear picture of the table until the winter period.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone that wants to keep him if we finish in the EL places. It's perfectly reasonable to expect top 4 from him, since Spurs spent no money and Arsenal are doing a massive rebuild.

 

[BlueHaze]

You're talking about being shocked then saying he should be sacked now because we'll miss out on top 4. Were you born yesterday and have not seen how you don't get a clear picture of the table until the winter period.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone that wants to keep him if we finish in the EL places. It's perfectly reasonable to expect top 4 from him, since Spurs spent no money and Arsenal are doing a massive rebuild.

No I completely understand he is not going to get sacked now. If he gets sacked it will most likely be in the summer if we finish outside top 4 but if he finishes top 4 I can definitely see him staying because Woodward would be content with that. What I'm saying is that it's getting evident now he is not the right fit if we ever want to start competing again because with the squad we have a 4th place finish should not be the aim. To be honest the way we are playing it's also reasonable to think we will finish outside top 4, I can definitely see spurs finishing ahead of us.

 

[Treble]

Imagine that United were competing for the title while playing terrific football and the players enojed it. Maybe, just maybe, Pogba wouldn't behave like a cnut.

 

[Kapardin]

Imagine that United were competing for the title while playing terrific football and the players enojed it. Maybe, just maybe, Pogba wouldn't behave like a cnut.

The problem is that players would put up with all of Jose's antics if he was top of the league with 100 points like City last season. His tactics are no longer working but he has retained his habit of "tough love" and "confrontational motivation", which results in a divided dressing room low on morale.

 

[shaky]

I just want to say that to all of you who still support Mourinho, while I respect your opinion, I am at the same time shocked. You all need to understand that whatever way you put it this squad is MORE than capable of finishing top 4 comfortably. We are however struggling and I can definitely see us finishing outside top 4 this year, that is completely unaceptable and completely down to management. Don't let Mourinho fool you into thinking that for example a Toby or a Maguire would make any vast difference, while our defence is not the best it's offensively we are struggling the most and we have players like Lukaku Sanchez Rashford Martial etc. We have been playing absolutely lackluster football for a long time now and are getting outplayed by sides like WBA, Wolves and Derby at home, it's getting to a point now where he has to go.

In terms of sponsorships Adidas is the one we make the most money from and if we finish outside top 4 they will probably bail on us and we get 75m per season from them. Also the fact that Pogba will most likely leave in the summer or even january and the fact that Martial wants to leave as well accompanied with De Gea not being interested in renewing, these are all worrying things to think about. The way things are going at the moment shows me that it's going to be very tough times ahead and that it's going to take years before we start competing again and ask yourselves, how can it be this bad when we are the wealthiest club in england by far, and even number 1 in the world.

"While I respect your opinions, none of you understand anything and you are all being fooled"

 

[bleedred]

You mean just a few seasons ago?

4 years is a long time in football. Managers who have won the league after Jose have been sacked and their clubs moved on.

 

[Buster15]

It's scary to think that we're the type of club where the majority of people are actively seeking to sack the manager 6 games into the season, having finished second the season before. I can understand the frustration about the CL exit last season but apart from that, in terms of what's been going on on the pitch, it's hard for me to think that there's a serious case to be made for sacking him.

Quite.
To all the Jose out fans I continue to ask WHO SHOULD BE HIS REPLACEMENT???

Jose is clearly a very complex character but above all that he is a winner who detests loosing and takes loosing personally.

He has a proven formula which relies on his players giving 100% FOR HIM.

When he sees this not happening he takes it personally. He knows it has been a bad start and he clearly knows the players are capable of much more.

Despite all the signings I feel that he doesn't fully believe in the squad yet.

Has he failed - not yet.
Have the players let him down - clearly some have.
Can he and the players turn it round - I bloody well hope so.

 

[Amir]

You mean just a few seasons ago?

In 2004 Arsenal were the invincibiles. In 2008 people were already treating them as the team that always capitulates and said Wenger's lost his way.

 

[Tiber]

We are in the midst of a textbook year 3 Jose meltdown (without the early titles he usually has) and some people still maintain he just needs time? I genuinely don't get why.

 

[BlueHaze]

"While I respect your opinions, none of you understand anything and you are all being fooled"

I don't get it. Am I wrong in saying top 4 should be an easy task with the team we have? Especially this year with Arsenal going through a rebuild process and Spurs not spending a penny. Am I wrong in saying that even if we signed Alderweireld or Maguire, offensively it would make no difference at all? I don't think it will be as funny to you if come the end of the season we are 5th or 6th. There is absolutely no excuse as of how this team should be struggling for a 4th place finish. Aiming for a 4th place finish after the ammount we have spent and especially with the manager we have since he was appointed strictly for bringing us back to the top is pathetic. Remember what Jose said in his first press conference for us? "Forget the past 3 years" He is failing miserably and there's no two ways about it.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I don't get it. Am I wrong in saying top 4 should be an easy task with the team we have? Especially this year with Arsenal going through a rebuild process and Spurs not spending a penny. Am I wrong in saying that even if we signed Alderweireld or Maguire, offensively it would make no difference at all? I don't think it will be as funny to you if come the end of the season we are 5th or 6th. There is absolutely no excuse as of how this team should be struggling for a 4th place finish. Aiming for a 4th place finish after the ammount we have spent and especially with the manager we have since he was appointed strictly for bringing us back to the top is pathetic. Remember what Jose said in his first press conference for us? "Forget the past 3 years" He is failing miserably and there's no two ways about it.

We finished second last season, we're six games into this season. How does that equate to struggling for 4th? Are Watford challenging for the league?

 

[Fracture90]

Of course it isn't the same. The moment a player speaks out against the manager you've got problems. He's a subordinate of the manager and is meant to buy into his way of playing. The moment he speaks out against it you have a serious problem - just look at what all of the ex players have said about it in their take (in dressing room matters their opinion would be valuable given the experience).

Mourinho has protected Pogba more than he's slated him. Too much protection in fact. I find it bizzare you find a manager deflecting questions in the press to protect his players (ie after Sevilla) comparable to a player speaking out against his boss in public interviews. I think our discussion has ran it's course, and I'd rather not visit this thread anymore.

Wow, just wow. Yeah nice chat, stay cool.

 

[buckooo1978]

We are in the midst of a textbook year 3 Jose meltdown (without the early titles he usually has) and some people still maintain he just needs time? I just don't get why.

it baffles me

we are famous for supporting lost causes - we knew Moyes and LVG wouldn't work out and they were dead men walking effectively - we still sang their names and we can be defiant in our public support particularly in the stadium

Mourinho is another case and I see exactly zero indications that things are going to improve - there's literally nothing to suggest we are going to finish above City, Liverpool or Chelsea. It looks like Spurs are a more cohesive team than us and Arsenal are improving.

It feels as though the undying support for Jose amongst some is a combination of defiance and loyalty which is admirable and stupid in equal measures....nothing more pathetic than fans buying into the Mourinho-speak

 

[Greck]

We are in the midst of a textbook year 3 Jose meltdown (without the early titles he usually has) and some people still maintain he just needs time? I genuinely don't get why.

Time my arse. 6 games into the season and we're already out of contention for 2 of 3 competitions we've participated. What's there to turn around? Only September and all we're playing for now is the FA cup and a top 4 finish.

 

[Che Guevara]

It's the first time since Jose started his winning run with Porto that he has failed to win the league title within his first two seasons at any club, and also the first time in his career that he has lost the one man who was a key part of his successful run (Rui Faria).

 

[Slevs]

We are in the midst of a textbook year 3 Jose meltdown (without the early titles he usually has) and some people still maintain he just needs time? I genuinely don't get why.

Urgh, another one who believes in pirate curses.

 

[Bocca9978]

Just imagine the meltdown after seeing Mou sacked, reading thousands of posts regarding Zizu, just to wake up to the news of having Wenger at OT. Too much for anyone's heart

A guy at football mentioned Wenger to me. I’d seriously explode.
Can you imagine him as manager?

 

[BlueHaze]

We finished second last season, we're six games into this season. How does that equate to struggling for 4th? Are Watford challenging for the league?

Last season we had a far better start. This season will be different and it's clear as day to see that. We were having problems against Leicster, we lost to Brighton in a shocking manner, we lost to Spurs 0-3 at home, had major problems against a newly promoted side, lost against a championship side as long as 2 days ago. We have regressed and the atmosphere is becoming more and more toxic like it always does when Jose is nearing his end.

 

[Canagel]

We are in the midst of a textbook year 3 Jose meltdown (without the early titles he usually has) and some people still maintain he just needs time? I genuinely don't get why.

They are very patient you got to give it to them. Especially the match going fans.

 

[Kazi]

We need at least 2 more years of Mourinho to phase us into a new generation. At least.

 

[m1tch]

Jose was a great manager, his players would run through walls for him and everyone reaped the rewards of that. He'd have done great with the squad SAF left behind I'm sure.

Unfortunately for Jose most of today's young and talented players don't behave like men. They're skinny jeans wearing little pricks with secret handshakes.

I don't blame him for not being able to get the best out of them, I'm sure I'd agree with his man management methods of old. Sadly it's clear he won't get the best out of these chumps unless he starts liking their posts on twitter and instagram, or whatever it is that makes them tick.

 

[Mainoldo]

We finished second last season, we're six games into this season. How does that equate to struggling for 4th? Are Watford challenging for the league?

Not being funny but do you watch us play? Do we look like a team who can perform long enough to get fourth? We can’t even manage a game of 90minutes. Unless the team is called Young Boys. We will not make top four and I can tell you that from now! I like I could tell you in the summer we would struggle the way Mourinho already started having his 3rd season panic attack. I was just waiting to see who would play the Physio roll. Thought it would be Martial but Pogba’s stepped up lol.

 

[Mainoldo]

This isn't about Jose Mourinho, it's about the manager of Manchester United.

I don't particularly want us to become clubs like them. I agree with Alex Ferguson's viewpoint on it.

I just posted what I think. I'm not asking for a debate or a response. Nor did I want one tbh.

Carry on...

So you want Manchester United to fail just so your ego can say we stuck with a manager for 10years? Don’t sit on the fence your not a baby that needs to be burped. State your reasons.

 

[Isotope]

it baffles me

we are famous for supporting lost causes - we knew Moyes and LVG wouldn't work out and they were dead men walking effectively - we still sang their names and we can be defiant in our public support particularly in the stadium

Mourinho is another case and I see exactly zero indications that things are going to improve - there's literally nothing to suggest we are going to finish above City, Liverpool or Chelsea. It looks like Spurs are a more cohesive team than us and Arsenal are improving.

It feels as though the undying support for Jose amongst some is a combination of defiance and loyalty which is admirable and stupid in equal measures....nothing more pathetic than fans buying into the Mourinho-speak

Yeh.. Going to watch the team live on stadium does make you a better supporter, but in no means make you more knowledgeable about the club and what is best for them.This supposed to be a common knowledge, but some just couldn't grasp it.

In the same way most the Cafties are more knowledgeable about football than Michael Owen. Despite him actually played football on the highest level.

 

[Moonred]

Wow, just wow. Yeah nice chat, stay cool.

Astounding thickness. I mean it’s not hard to just admit that a bunch of people are to blame for the circus. Mourinho, other management, Pogba for running his mouth, etc etc.

 

[Moonred]

We need at least 2 more years of Mourinho to phase us into a new generation. At least.

Laying the foundation right now.

 

[shaky]

I don't get it. Am I wrong in saying top 4 should be an easy task with the team we have? Especially this year with Arsenal going through a rebuild process and Spurs not spending a penny. Am I wrong in saying that even if we signed Alderweireld or Maguire, offensively it would make no difference at all? I don't think it will be as funny to you if come the end of the season we are 5th or 6th. There is absolutely no excuse as of how this team should be struggling for a 4th place finish. Aiming for a 4th place finish after the ammount we have spent and especially with the manager we have since he was appointed strictly for bringing us back to the top is pathetic. Remember what Jose said in his first press conference for us? "Forget the past 3 years" He is failing miserably and there's no two ways about it.

For a start, yes, you are wrong in thinking top 4 should be an easy task. Why should it be easy? The last 5 league champions before City all finished outside the top 4 the following season. There is no right for any team to think top 4 should be easy. Also, you're talking as if we are already guaranteed to miss out on top 4. 2 years ago, Chelsea were sitting 8th after 6 games and won the league by 7 points. Now, before you start, I'm not claiming we will do any such thing, but just pointing out that making judgements about finishing positions after 6 games is foolish. My patience is starting to wear thin with Mourinho too, but the condescending way in which the Anti-Mourinho supporters talk to the people who aren't calling for his head yet is just embarrassing. There is no "correct" opinion to have in this situation.

 

[royboy16]

If we had won the FA cup last season and what is currently going on with us in the league this season would people still be looking to get rid of him ?