Wow. Just wow. He should be sacked for those comments alone.
Mourinho just said we were always fighting for second place in this group
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I know what you're saying here, and I too disagree with the OP that these comments are grounds for the sack (I'd say the dire football and all-round misery engulfing the club is nearer that mark) but there are things a manager should say publicly and things that should be kept in-house. The comments are in my view clear barbs aimed at the board, and whether or not there is merit to them I'm sick of the psychodrama at this club being played out in public. Jose is far too keen to waft our dirty linen around for the world to see for no possible advantage to the club.
Man in "speaks the truth" shocker!
Don't get the outcry. They're like us from 2008-2011. Constantly winning titles and challenging for the CL. Just bought arguably the greatest player of all time. Team has been together for ages, well gelled, well established.
We had a reasonable second half performance. Could've nicked a draw via Pogba or the pen not given on Rashford. Big games like this hinge on small moments. On another day we could've won 2-1, or lost 3-0.
The only thing I'd take issue with was his over effusive praise for Bonucci and Chielini. Say it once, fine. Repeating it constantly was a dig at the board but he's also shitting on our current CBs, which I don't think is right (regardless of whether or not they're of the same calibre as the Juve ones).
Don't get the outcry. They're like us from 2008-2011. Constantly winning titles and challenging for the CL. Just bought arguably the greatest player of all time. Team has been together for ages, well gelled, well established.
We had a reasonable second half performance. Could've nicked a draw via Pogba or the pen not given on Rashford. Big games like this hinge on small moments. On another day we could've won 2-1, or lost 3-0.
The only thing I'd take issue with was his over effusive praise for Bonucci and Chielini. Say it once, fine. Repeating it constantly was a dig at the board but he's also shitting on our current CBs, which I don't think is right (regardless of whether or not they're of the same calibre as the Juve ones).
He is right about signings, but while Ed is dealing with this nothing will change. The whole structure needs changing and until it does nothing will alter. We are in limbo. Mid-table limbo.
He is right to be realistic.
Problem is that he is managing a more expensive squad than Juventus and half of the squad are signed by him, including the most criticized players like Matic and Lukaku. It's not like he is starting now. Basically, the team now is not better than it was in October 2016.
Problem is that he is managing a more expensive squad than Juventus and half of the squad are signed by him, including the most criticized players like Matic and Lukaku. It's not like he is starting now. Basically, the team now is not better than it was in October 2016.
C'mon now, we were shite and lucky to lose only 0-1. There was no pen. The only chance we got is from Pogba's shot well outside the box. Apart from that we had 90 minutes of nothing. Juve didn't even have to break a sweat to beat us. Our manager was seemingly happy as well to be only 0-1 down hence why we didn't make any subs. We are nowhere near Juve or any other TOP European club. Sarri transformed Chelsea in a month and the only thing they are missing is a striker who can score goals. We are going nowhere with Jose in charge. He lowered our expectations so much that a 3-2 win against one of the worst team in the league felt like some achievement for 10% of our fans that they even changed their opinion about Jose. We have a good squad to at least give it a go against any team.Spurs finishing ahead of RM last season as well and giving this same Juventus team a run for their money.
Don't see the point in this thread, most of the Caf would bitch about anything that comes out of Jose's mouth.
Agreed.
I think everyone and his dog knows we were fighting for 2nd and the same would be if we had Real, Barca, bayern, City etc in our group. we are 10th in our own league. I agree with Jose here. we are not the United of old.
Well they would bitch about anything that comes from other end too, only thing is, to many of you blocking its way.
Nah fat franks team have come and gone and he’s still here
This is dead right, we had 6 players across the backline for parts of the first half, so totally conceded midfield. And somehow, despite having a 6 man defence, we still managed to look porous. Absolutely pointless tactics.
Exactly. Some people do anything to blame Mourinho. Juventus have better players in every single position except goalkeeper. They just bought CR7...
How the hell do some people think it would be realistic for us to win this group?
Such a shame that some of us want our manager and, ultimately, our club to succeed.
Even if Jose took over at United two days ago, such comments are out of line for a top club, even if that's what he thinks. What kind of message does it send to his own players? That they're crap? How's that supposed to help?
Plus, he's been with the club for over two years now and spent a fortune. This is effectively his team and if they play badly, this is on him.
Plus, he's been with the club for over two years now and spent a fortune. This is effectively his team and if they play badly, this is on him.
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they are not Juve level. They reached the CL final last year with the easiest run in years excluding City.City maybe but they have achieved anything of note in the CL. Juve been there or there abouts challenging for the CL title for a good number of seasons now.
You would be hard pressed to see many teams challenge Juve this season.
I think they will possibly win it this year.
Yeah, most of the Caf was already moaning and saying we're going finish 3rd just ten minutes into the group draw in the end of August
There's nothing wrong in coming for second. But to admit that we were openly fighting for second was shown both by the tactics & his post match comments.
He might as well have said it before the match had started because it was simply obvious that we were relatively pleased to draw or lose rather than give it our all.
Defence first - attack second. That's just exactly what he is talking about.
He might as well have said it before the match had started because it was simply obvious that we were relatively pleased to draw or lose rather than give it our all.
Defence first - attack second. That's just exactly what he is talking about.
He's not wrong though is he. Just because we don't want to hear it.
Still i think we should sack him, unfortunately it's going to be a long boring season.
Still i think we should sack him, unfortunately it's going to be a long boring season.
Did Spurs think they had no right to win the group with Real Madrid last season?
Ajax are currently top of their group with Bayern. Inter may well top their group with Barca. Napoli the same with PSG and Liverpool.
Juve are a good team but they are not Barca under Pep and unbeatable like some are making out. Thinking that you can challenge to top the group does not mean you think you are favourites.
Think some are now just resigned to this being our lot and the owners will be hoping there are more like them. Well it damn well shouldn't be our lot. The fans deserve a lot better than this.
Equally the season before last season Dortmund won the group ahead of Real Madrid and Arsenal won their group ahead of PSG.
All the good will he build with me the last few weeks got destroyed last night with (a) His lack of subs and tactical awareness and (b) His interview after the game. He doesn't speak like a guy who is a winner anymore, and that sums it all up. He should go.
The three finger gesture as well for something he did year ago. He is living in the past on past glories.
But it's his fecking job to change that, not constantly reaffirm it for fecks sake. Even worse he seems to embrace the fact like it was a fecking blanky. How many years can he go on about heritage before he'll accept accountability for the state of his team?
He's been given more resources than 90% of the managers of teams we'll possibly face in any competition to change that and yet we seem to be regressing further.
We can't be expected to compete with Juventus, we can't be expected to beat the likes of Sevilla, we can't expect to beat Valencia or even fecking Brighton.
He's in his third year of rebuilding and we look a bigger mess now than when he took over!
People need to stop giving this guy the benefit of the doubt, he's not worth it.
Yeah it was just pathetic last night. Absolute no need for it, and he is making himself out to be a joke character by doing it.
Why the three finger gesture? He just won the Champions League twice!
It was to do with what he did at Inter.
Frightening some are defending these comments and just shows how low we've sunk and how low he's put our expectations at.
It's hardly that radical a thought that Manchester United could get 4 wins over Young Boys and Valencia, win 1 game out of two v Juventus and top the group or something, I mean obviously now it is but when the group was drawn certainly not. Underdogs for 1st place sure, I get that. But always fighting for 2nd? Get that attitude the hell out of this club. If Klopp said that about his group with PSG in we'd all be pissing ourselves laughing. Should we not enter the FA Cup as we are underdogs to City? Not try at the Etihad in a few weeks as we'll be the bookies underdogs? What a load of crap. This man can not leave soon enough, he's destroying this club.
It's hardly that radical a thought that Manchester United could get 4 wins over Young Boys and Valencia, win 1 game out of two v Juventus and top the group or something, I mean obviously now it is but when the group was drawn certainly not. Underdogs for 1st place sure, I get that. But always fighting for 2nd? Get that attitude the hell out of this club. If Klopp said that about his group with PSG in we'd all be pissing ourselves laughing. Should we not enter the FA Cup as we are underdogs to City? Not try at the Etihad in a few weeks as we'll be the bookies underdogs? What a load of crap. This man can not leave soon enough, he's destroying this club.
The treble season? Nobody cares about italian cup, for crying out loud
He obviously does.The treble season? Nobody cares about italian cup, for crying out loud
Looks like he's aiming more shots at the people above him, with his comments about Juventus' big past but always planning for a big future, buying the best players etc... not-so-subtly bemoaning a lack of players that he wanted. Every time we don't win, Jose seems to release a backhanded "look what you made me do" message to the board.
A manager as good as him should just be getting on with that he has. There's a few players he didn't get, but he's still had an eye-watering sum of money invested in to this team, and guys he's spent a fair bit of money on, like Fred, Bailly, Sanchez (if we're including salary as the investment), are either failing to make an impact or not even getting on the pitch, whilst Matic and Lukaku tend to be our worst performers whenever they're on the pitch this season.
He needs to start taking some responsibility. Managers should be absorbing all the criticism when speaking to the media, not deflecting blame on to everyone but themselves.
A manager as good as him should just be getting on with that he has. There's a few players he didn't get, but he's still had an eye-watering sum of money invested in to this team, and guys he's spent a fair bit of money on, like Fred, Bailly, Sanchez (if we're including salary as the investment), are either failing to make an impact or not even getting on the pitch, whilst Matic and Lukaku tend to be our worst performers whenever they're on the pitch this season.
He needs to start taking some responsibility. Managers should be absorbing all the criticism when speaking to the media, not deflecting blame on to everyone but themselves.
The only teams who care about that are:He obviously does.
1 - title battlers who have no chance to win the title, so they will try to win it.
2 - small teams who wish to add some silverware to their trophies museum.
3 - In case the finalists are rival teams.
you do make good points, I just felt on this occasion, with our current team we were never near Juve. could it be argued that with the investment we have made that we should be able to compete? definitely. I recall Spurs ran them pretty close last year and Napoli were within 5 points of the title and are currently 4 points off (basically better than United) all with miniscule spending compared to us.
True. Napoli are a very strong side who run Juve close every season and Pep said were the best team he faced last year until Liverpool. Roma also got to the Semi's with no huge budget. We cannot expect any of these sorts of miracles with United and Jose however.
We won’t win the league again under the Glazers. Feel free to revisit this post when I’m proved right. That’s why the job is impossible. And yes I can understand why ye are all skeptics about Mourinho of course, he does himself no favours.
True, but if he's got such a big problem with it - which he clearly has, mentions it at every opportunity - why doesn't he resign over it?
No money in resigning. He doesn't have the dignity.
Lot of what he says about not being the top dog around worked for Chelsea. It just doesnt work at Man Utd. Man Utd is a different ball game