Oil Money in Football | New City expose

[RedCurry]

I don't get how not one City fan has a problem with the blood money flowing into their club through the back channels.

If this was happening at United, I might love the club too much to stop supporting it but I would be quite vocal about not wanting these owners, at the very least.

 

[Kapardin]

Who cares, they are still going to win the league. The Sheikh funding City like he is refurbishing his pet Yacht is an open secret and it cannot be stopped. We need to somehow deal with this and get competitive.

 

[AP88]

It sounds more legitimate than the circus at city. A farce.

And also begin proceedings against then to claim lost prize money based on their ultimately invalid presence in the league. Same surely applies to the Champions League teams they’ve knocked out while financial doping.

 

[padr81]

Taking owners money and showing increased revenue?

Or is it about onfield success which has nothing to with this thread?

It's about both! the top sentence leads to the bottom and as of yet there is no proof released, as I said their are email quotes but no actual emails released. He has built a huge franchise from a club whom Gary Cook couldn't get a decent signing over the line.

 

[b20times]

Seems like manchester city are sat at the top table whereas we're sat at the infant junior one table on the small chairs.

 

[tomaldinho1]

To be fair, whenever I'm abroad I do tend to see a lot of PSG shirts about.

Still no City shirts though.

Yh, I see a lot of Neymar PSG shits to be fair - maybe that is the next step for City, buying a seemingly unattainable player (Messi, Neymar, maybe Hazard). Given they have clear anonymity from any kind of regulatory body, they can just find a few new 'sponsors' and launch a £200m bid for any of those without fear of reprisals.

 

[RedCurry]

Hi

Oh I see! I didn't realize you were a City fan. Good on you for saying it like it is in that case.

 

[CA1]

Wearing a City shirt anywhere but Manchester is like having "Kick Me" written on your front.

Nobody respects Man City fans. These latest stories are only going to re-affirm this.

 

[AP88]

It's about both! the top sentence leads to the bottom and as of yet there is no proof released, as I said their are email quotes but no actual emails released. He has built a huge franchise from a club whom Gary Cook couldn't get a decent signing over the line.

David Silva, Tevez, Gareth Barry ahead of Liverpool, Yaya Toure, Dzeko, Balotelli, Aguero, Nasri, Kompany, Zabaleta, Kolarov (at the time the most coveted leftback in Europe) Adebayor, Robinho etc - all signings who were a level above the club at the time. Cook did a very good job at City - he couldn’t just casually sign £50m cheques off for fullbacks like the Spaniards either.

Thats the issue with most City fans; low football IQ. They’re City fans without primarily being football fans, so therefore take no issue with the manner in which the ‘success’ has been attained.....which is ironic (and moronic) considering they dined out for so long on being a ‘proper’ club.

 

[Whiskey Red]

Funny it's Der Spiegel that has to uncover such shit and go into such details. Where are the famous brave British journos to investigate?

The data dump was released to Der Spiegel who then shared it with European Investigative Collaborations, as far as I am aware the only British paper to be a part of that collaboration is the Sunday Times so for the most part none of the british outlets have access to the information and can only report on it second hand. A lot of them will not go heavy on it unless they can independently verify it or something really big drops.

Also this round of revelations seems to be slightly less damaging than the first round as for the most part these articles are just filling in the details people have long suspected. And let's face it Ronaldo hush money and Pogba's transfer is far better click bait for the papers. Oil barons doing dodgy shit and corrupt UEFA sadly does not generate the same interest.

 

[VanGaalEra]

The journos are just happy they get a nice meal at City.

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[VanGaalEra]

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Editor's Note: This is the first installment of a four-part series on the Manchester City football team that will be published Monday through Thursday of this week.

 

[Guy Incognito]

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An abhorrent football club. A fine team they've assembled but that's just a facade.

 

[padr81]

David Silva, Tevez, Gareth Barry ahead of Liverpool, Yaya Toure, Dzeko, Balotelli, Aguero, Nasri, Kompany, Zabaleta, Kolarov (at the time the most coveted leftback in Europe) Adebayor, Robinho etc - all signings who were a level above the club at the time. Cook did a very good job at City - he couldn’t just casually sign £50m cheques off for fullbacks like the Spaniards either.

Thats the issue with most City fans; low football IQ. They’re City fans without primarily being football fans, so therefore take no issue with the manner in which the ‘success’ has been attained.....which is ironic (and moronic) considering they dined out for so long on being a ‘proper’ club.

First I'm a football fan but good effort at being a WUM (actually not a good effort). See I can actually give credit to other clubs like United without being a cnut about it or resorting to insults unlike some.

Cook brought in some fine players but they were pretty much easy deals to complete but he also messed up many big deals and slowly took the club backwards. He also referred to the club as "manchester united" messed up, Berbatov, Kaka etc.. The guy was poor and armed with a huge chquebook (though I will say he did a better job than Marwood) and for all the crying about our owners emails on here Cooks one was easily the worst of a lot of dumb stuff that happened at the club. He was as big a piece of shit as any in football but he didn't have the competence of someone like Soriano.

As for the bolded part Cook easily overpaid for many, many players (that's how he persuaded them to join, a fact you guys were more than happy to shout about at the time) something that can't really be thrown at Soriano as most his signings turned out to be good value for money.

 

[Irish Jet]

The Gulf states literally run the world. Nothing will be done.

To look at any mainstream media outlets in the UK you wouldn’t so much as notice this was a thing. The Times ran a story playing it down. Not a coincidence.

 

[Trizy]

A quick google check for ''Man City'' is all about their recent result and how great they are statistically.

I hope the either the 2nd, 3rd or 4th part of these leaks in the next coming days name drops all the media companies taking money/benefits from the club. It's absolute bullshit that this news is not being reported by the UK media companies. They're clearly on some sort of a payment, which was just a conspiracy until now it's as evident.

 

[VanGaalEra]

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[Fluctuation0161]

That breakdown of 67.5m pounds And we have City fans who claim their sponsorships are all fair value.

Really is hilarious. Hilariously obvious from day 1 to anyone but City fans.

 

[Adisa]

Stinks.

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[Schmiznurf]

They won't be punished in any meaningful way tbh.

 

[We need an rvn]

I don't get how not one City fan has a problem with the blood money flowing into their club through the back channels.

If this was happening at United, I might love the club too much to stop supporting it but I would be quite vocal about not wanting these owners, at the very least.

Decades of living in a city where your rivals ruled the world and you were stuck in division 2 can do that to people.

But let's not forgot a lot of money in football is far from honest for a lot of teams some of us like (not saying I like any of these teams bar Milan)
- Chelsea & Roman's billions far from honest
- PSG
- Real Madrid's dodgy bank loans and land sales
- AC Milan & Berlusconi's money / political controversies / media control etc
- Juventus' match fixing scandals
- Napoli and the mafia money laundering

 

[b20times]

What does cook the books mean? I'm not well up on stuff like that.

 

[groovyalbert]

They won't be punished in any meaningful way tbh.

Yup - furthest this will go is various footballing bodies ensuring they get a cut of the cash.

 

[Giggsyking]

I've seen PSG shirts with Neymar on the back on kids in the arse end of Ireland. That black one from Jordan is already pretty common. I had my son at an u-12's blitz recently and there was at least 3 out of maybe 150 kids.

Other than Paris, I have never seen PSG shirts.

 

[padr81]

Other than Paris, I have never seen PSG shirts.

Fair enough.. thats you and Cyberman as opposed to the many in this thread who have. I've seen about 3 Spurs shirts in the last 15 years.. doesn't mean other people haven't seen more.

 

[Rajma]

Really is hilarious. Hilariously obvious from day 1 to anyone but City fans.

It’s obvious to them too, they simply deny for the sake of it.

 

[Spiersey]

UK Media isn't reporting on it because Spiegel get their information via someone that hacks emails, so all the information is illegally obtained. It's the exact same reason no UK media reporting the Ronaldo Rape Case until he officially denied it and police reopened the case (because both of those are factual and not illegally obtained). Theres no conspiracy from the media to protect City, it's just basic common sense to not report on stuff like this at this point.

 

[11101]

It's not really anything we didn't already know but its nice someone is going out to prove it and show the world. It still amazes me that FIFA/UEFA backed down so easily over the threats of excluding PSG and City from the Champions League; it's not like anybody would care if they weren't there.

 

[OutlawGER]

If there's actual evidence of bribery then they're done. There can't be any other way.

Well, even if they are done: The next ones coming in will also get bribed. Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. are basically ruling the world already with their money. If someone works against them, you'll probably get murdered in front of the whole world, just like Khasoggi (well we probably dont know about most other victims) and nothing happens. Why? Because everyone wants money.

People like Trump are probably sitting in their offices thinking "these idiots got caught (Khasoggi) and now i am in trouble if i deal with them" instead of "horrible" etc.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Funny it's Der Spiegel that has to uncover such shit and go into such details. Where are the famous brave British journos to investigate?

They are owned and sponsored by business interests that get funding from them

 

[The Irish Connection]

They have cheated their way to titles, as suspected, but now proven and exposed. Just like athletes who cheat with doping, they should be stripped of their titles and banned, but it won’t happen.

The most ironic thing is all the city fans dancing with joy and defending the empire that was built from fossil fuels, which will probably cause the end of the world or close to it.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I find the level of delusion from certain fans of these teams incredible. At the time that these totally legitimate sponsorship deals were signed they were probably receiving close the the respective club's entire value on a year to year basis. As stated in the article these were found to be ludicrously overvalued and of substantial benefit to the club, yet I see a City fan in this thread arguing the idea that these were anything other than legitimate and of fair value.

You will also see the same arguments from City fans regarding the fact that financial fair play was an awful idea only brought in to ensure the big boys do well. Because God forbid that on field success and good work commercially be rewarded.

 

[Ecstatic]

C'est bon. I'm a Francophile so the more the merrier but if I were French, I'd likely support Canet Roussillon, because they are located in that part of the country I'd most like to live.

Nice area indeed!

AS Canet 5th division, not so bad: they can at least participate in the first rounds of La Coupe de France, which is maybe the most democratic competition in the world!

Cheers

 

[Runner]

The most ironic thing is all the city fans dancing with joy and defending the empire that was built from fossil fuels, which will probably cause the end of the world or close to it.

I don't think the average kid from Stockport cares about carbon emissions.

 

[VorZakone]

UK Media isn't reporting on it because Spiegel get their information via someone that hacks emails, so all the information is illegally obtained. It's the exact same reason no UK media reporting the Ronaldo Rape Case until he officially denied it and police reopened the case (because both of those are factual and not illegally obtained). Theres no conspiracy from the media to protect City, it's just basic common sense to not report on stuff like this at this point.

Interesting. But why isn't it stopping Der Spiegel?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Funny it's Der Spiegel that has to uncover such shit and go into such details. Where are the famous brave British journos to investigate?

Like Eliot Higgins?

Or Andrew Jennings who did all the groundwork for the FBI to do FIFA.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Didn't think the sports Journalists in this country could get any worse, but I was wrong. Scumbags.

 

[The Taurean]

Quite serious allegations. Do wonder where these accusations lie within the legal framework of UK/EU with UEFA auditing the clubs and not having been received accurate information.

 

[Ecstatic]

What’s hard to follow? They valued those two sponsors at vastly overly inflated prices. Two different auditors valued those deals a lot lower. So the accusation is that they got around ffp by artificially inflating sponsorship deals. A further question, if not mistaken, is were they advised to get around ffp by Infantino? There’s like 80 million pages of leaked emails, it’s all in there according to the journalists that went through them.

An auditor is never independent: they produce what their clients want.

Assessed values are ridiculous on both sides.

Also, a price is always an agreed amount, which is determined by a match between demand and offer; not by a mathematic formula or an IFRS principle.

In other words, the so-called independent auditors are not more legitimate than a 3-year-old child.

Other than Paris, I have never seen PSG shirts.

10 years ago, I don't think you would have seen some people wearing PSG shirts if you travel for a very short period of time. France is not really a football country like its neighbours in this regard.

PSG are not becoming a popular club globally ffs I can bet 98% still only catch PSG games during the CL nights and that’s with star packed team, inculding Mbappe and Neymar.

I don't know the world in which you live but I tend to trust some informed press articles or some people like below.

Not sure what the laughing smilies are about. PSG are becoming a more globally popular team.

Quite a few people are wearing PSG shirts now, a lot of them being kids, when a decade ago you would have never seen that. It won’t happen overnight, but for the younger generation coming up, PSG is one of the teams getting more and more support. If they continue buying players like Neymar their popularity will only continue to increase.

To be fair, whenever I'm abroad I do tend to see a lot of PSG shirts about.

Still no City shirts though.

I've seen PSG shirts with Neymar on the back on kids in the arse end of Ireland. That black one from Jordan is already pretty common. I had my son at an u-12's blitz recently and there was at least 3 out of maybe 150 kids.

A Neymar shirt is not the same thing as a PSG shirt. He is bigger than the club.

 

[fishfingers15]

An auditor is never independent: they produce what their clients want.

Assessed values are ridiculous on both sides.

Also, a price is always an agreed amount, which is determined by a match between demand and offer; not by a mathematic formula or an IFRS principle.

In other words, the so-called independent auditors are not more legitimate than a 3-year-old child.



10 years ago, I don't think you would have seen some people wearing PSG shirts if you travel for a very short period of time. France is not really a football country like its neighbours in this regard.





I don't know the world in which you live but I tend to trust some informed press articles or some people like below.

Basically whoever supports what you tend to believe in?