If Jose were managing this City team...

Gandalf Greyhame

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Imagine if Jose were the manager of City this game, and having to watch it as a City fan.

Walker and Mendy sitting back deep to deal with the pace and guile of Martial and local lad Rashford. Laporte sticking to Lukaku/Sanchez to keep them from creating anything. Bernardo and David Silva trying to defend with Fernandinho, and getting destroyed by fans for not having the physical or mental attributes to deal with Matic and Herrera. Sterling being abused for being too flashy without any end product, resting in Shaw's pocket all game. Mahrez struggling to be half the player he was at Leicester, not even able to get past once-a-winger-handyman Ashley Young. Aguero isolated up front, making wrong decisions and judged to be over the hill. Ederson would be slaughtered for his cockiness and his lack of shot stopping. Stones looking like an expensive mistake, never overcoming his brainfarts from the Everton days. Kompany being brought on to defend a point, United score again, and Mourinho finally replaces Aguero with Jesus and hopes something will happen. It doesn't.

Martial would have that meek defence for breakfast, and Jose would come out in post match complaining about how he missed KDB and how he needs new defenders and a GK and a more physical midfield, and a winger who can cross. "They have a player like Pogba who can change games in an instant, and a world class keeper in De Gea. And we wanted Lukaku to replace the aging Aguero, but couldn't. We need better players."

City fans asking for Jose's head for not giving Foden a chance, and for letting Jadon Sancho leave. They'd be sick of City playing like cowards, ironically after the days when they had players who'd put in 100% effort but were mediocre. "Yeah, they're Man United and all, but you don't give them so much fecking respect." Now they have flashy expensive players who were tearing it up at previous clubs but now aren't doing basic things right. They'd miss the good old grafters like Milner and passionate leaders like Joe Hart, who was shit but would have at least given the team a kick up the backside when they were down 2-1 with 5 minutes to go and defending like cowards.
 

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As I said in the Mourinho thread, imagine José playing with two out and out attacking midfielders as part of a midfield three. There’s no way he would have these city players looking as good as they are now.
 

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Yeah this shit sounds like this garbage written by one of the 'journos' recently where he imagined the day in Mourinho's shoes or something other as stupid.

Congratulations.
 

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I can't see City ever getting in bed with mourinho. They care about their image (they're basically an advertisement for the UAE), and getting in bed with mourinho is too damaging. Same with psg.

Both of these clubs are trying to get fans. How many kids do you think watching us over the last 4 years have said - that's the team I want to follow, watching the shit we put out week in week out?
 

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He'd win the league and maybe the CL too just playing in a different way.....
 

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The hypothetical of Mourinho having this exact squad for City against Guardiola being in charge of us would have United dominating the possession though it'd be a tighter game. Yes, they have better individuals, but it's not a massive gap. The biggest gap between the clubs is in the managers itself. Mourinho would make City immeasurably worse, Guardiola would make us and every individual far better.
 

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I can't see City ever getting in bed with Mourinho. They care about their image (they're basically an advertisement for the UAE), and getting in bed with Mourinho is too damaging. Same with psg.

Both of these clubs are trying to get fans. How many kids do you think watching us over the last 4 years have said - that's the team I want to follow, watching the shit we put out week in week out?
PSG would definitely hire Mourinho
 

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Is this a serious thread? Jose outers are now criticizing Jose on how he'd hypothetically manage the City team?
 

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Is this a serious thread? Jose outers are now criticizing Jose on how he'd hypothetically manage the City team?
That hypothetical 'garbage journo' scenario isn't too hard to believe, is it? That's the point, Jose's negative approaches to big games can make teams like City look shit, too. I am absolutely convinced we'd have put up more of a fight today with the same players if our manager were Poch or Klopp or even Rafa fecking Benitez. Losing isn't the issue, the way we lose is.

We are a far better team than we seem to be under Mourinho. Heck we would have been a far better team if LVG had Pogba/Lukaku/Sanchez at his disposal along with Martial. Jose was a step backwards, and we need to fix that before we've lost another season and another set of good players.
 

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What's exactly the point of this thread ? Why don't everyone realize that not everything you think about should be turned to a thread ? That could have been a post in another thread easily.
 

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They are not interested in winning in that different way. As @Skills points out, their image is as important to them as winning which is why they weren't interested.
Yep wouldn't argue about the branding but over the next few weeks that image won't look so clean and untainted.....
 

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St pep, he got them going, with 60 million plus on each defender, alone, don't think who manages them they got quality in every position, depth in strength. They have bought well, and paid for it as well. Congratulations to them to dominate prem for as long as the Arabs decide to stay. But they still got no class never will. Best assembled players in a generation. They deserve all what's comi g to them..
Just a pity there fans don't turn up for European nights, shame really missing out on quality football.
 

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They’d still win the league.

Strongest team by absolute miles. How many players do we have that would improve City?
 

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Yep wouldn't argue about the branding but over the next few weeks that image won't look so clean and untainted.....
Yeah that will be interesting to see unfold. Although I am not sure many kids around the world care that much about the politics of football, certainly, not more than they care about what City are offering now in terms of entertainment and being associated with attacking dominant football. Real Madrid and Barcelona are two examples of teams that enjoy adulation everywhere because of the brand of football they are associated with, with their political and behind the scenes issues barely affecting them in that regard.
 

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We would never get to see MF trio of Silva x2 and Fernandinho that's for sure .

Nor would Aguero be starting as a number 9.
 

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I firmly believe José would have won the CL with this City team.

I’m not saying I want him at United, I do want him gone. I’m not defending his tactics, I’m not defending his selections, not defending his transfer policy.

The truth is though especially this summer the board haven’t backed him and, frankly he’s been proven right. Sourness’s argument is completely moot though, saying he has one of the most expensive squads is all well and good when the other team is even more expensive.

Guardiola being classed as this genius, likewise, is all well and good but it’s easy to be a genius at clubs that give you absolutely everything you want.

Guardiola the coach was on display in his first season, where he couldn’t get a tune out of them. 130m on fullbacks later, all is sunny. Still keep conceding goals, how about 55m for a keeper. STILL having issues in defence, here’s another 56m for another CB - great coaching.

Simply look at the 22 who started:

Ederson - 52m De Gea - 18m
Walker - 50m. Young - 18m
Laporte - 50m. Smalling - 12m
Stones - 50m. Lindelof - 34m
Mendy - 45m. Shaw - 28m
Fernandinho - 15m. Matic - 40m
D Silva - 28m. Herrera - 24m
B Silva - 43m. Fellaini - 28m
Mahrez - 60m. Lingard - Free
Sterling - 50m. Martial - 50m
Aguero - 38m. Rashford - Free

Pep inherited three of that 11, José inherited 9 of our 11.
 

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Mourinho would have been allowed an open check book and would have won a PL title, maybe not as dominant as Pep's City but he'd have a great squad.
 

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Players like stones over kompany, silva x2 & de bryune in midfield over gundogan or yay a toure are the types of decisions that make this team good & able to sustain a gameplan.

The likes of Lukaku & Matic would never get in to that team because they couldn't control a ball nor pass well enough.

Whilst people may say that Jose would win a title with City if they had their budget - the gulf in class between a United team managed by Pep or Klopp would be minimal at best & even then Jose would only manage to scrape one EPL or 2 at best.
 

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I firmly believe José would have won the CL with this City team.

I’m not saying I want him at United, I do want him gone. I’m not defending his tactics, I’m not defending his selections, not defending his transfer policy.

The truth is though especially this summer the board haven’t backed him and, frankly he’s been proven right. Sourness’s argument is completely moot though, saying he has one of the most expensive squads is all well and good when the other team is even more expensive.

Guardiola being classed as this genius, likewise, is all well and good but it’s easy to be a genius at clubs that give you absolutely everything you want.

Guardiola the coach was on display in his first season, where he couldn’t get a tune out of them. 130m on fullbacks later, all is sunny. Still keep conceding goals, how about 55m for a keeper. STILL having issues in defence, here’s another 56m for another CB - great coaching.

Simply look at the 22 who started:

Ederson - 52m De Gea - 18m
Walker - 50m. Young - 18m
Laporte - 50m. Smalling - 12m
Stones - 50m. Lindelof - 34m
Mendy - 45m. Shaw - 28m
Fernandinho - 15m. Matic - 40m
D Silva - 28m. Herrera - 24m
B Silva - 43m. Fellaini - 28m
Mahrez - 60m. Lingard - Free
Sterling - 50m. Martial - 50m
Aguero - 38m. Rashford - Free

Pep inherited three of that 11, José inherited 9 of our 11.
The first point is not moot at all. If we were close to City and just missed out point wise during a season or during our games with them, then yes, one can use the investment excuse. When the gap is almost 20 points last year, 12 already this year and our game against them look no different to the way Newcastle played them. We could have invested half of what we did and it still wouldn't justify the amount of the gap.

As for the second point, that's absolute nonsense. There are so many players they missed out on to direct rivals in fact. Sanchez, Van Dijk, Jorginho are high profile examples who if we lost out on to anyone, it would be used as a sacking offence for Woodward and an example of why we can't compete. In fact, I can't think of a single ready made WC player that City bought under him. Most of their buys from Stones, Walker and Sterling were considered at the time to be expensive gambles and were used to justify their failing in his first season.
 

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I can't see City ever getting in bed with Mourinho. They care about their image (they're basically an advertisement for the UAE), and getting in bed with Mourinho is too damaging. Same with psg.

Both of these clubs are trying to get fans. How many kids do you think watching us over the last 4 years have said - that's the team I want to follow, watching the shit we put out week in week out?
I had a thread about our fans would have a hard time convincing their kids to follow United.

It was closed down, when this a legitimate question/statement to make.
 

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They'd probably have spent upwards of £1bn pounds giving Jose, who is (let us not forget) one of the most successful managers in the game, the most ridiculously Jose-eqsue team possible – a bit like Chelsea did when they swept the league under him.
 

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Sterling would be dropped because he doesn't work hard enough, only 1 of Silva or De Bruyne would play and a strong tall defensive midfielder would be brought in to play with Fernandinho. Aguero would be pushed out wide & a big man would come in up front, probably would've kept Dzeko or Bony. Mendy & Walker would be nowhere near the starting eleven.
 

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This is why siding with the Jose out contingent is so hard. Literally moan in every thread.
 

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Guardiola's midfield today was Fernandinho and the two Silvas.
That right there would never happen under amourinho.
 

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It'd certainly be completely different to the way Pep's teams play that's for sure.
In the first 2 seasons, I think Mourinho would be fine, completely dominating the league most likely not as much as Pep has but getting the trophy.
Possibly having a good run in a cup and the CL
He'd certainly bring in a lanky cnut though. Matic for Fernandinho?

3rd season things would go down hill and would eventually be sacked. I'd be very interested to see how he'd play against say Sevilla in the CL. I think he'd certainly revert to cautious football.
 

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The same Jose Mourinho who's Chelsea side took 95 points, who's Real Madrid side broke records in Spain?

That Jose Mourinho?
 

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He would want some "height" there.
Well Yaya would've been given an extension, so he'd be all covered there. He'd need to be publicly shamed for not tracking back enough though, and make sure he uses Jose's brain when he plays of course.

The same Jose Mourinho who's Chelsea side took 95 points, who's Real Madrid side broke records in Spain?

That Jose Mourinho?
Yup. Just like the same Arsene Wenger that won 3 titles in 6 years, one an unbeaten season. Football changes, not all managers can keep up.