Auction Draft: Round 1 - Physiocrat vs. 2mufc/Gio

[Indnyc]

Physiocrat vs. 2Mufc/Gio

Spoiler: Physio original team

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Tactics Physiocrat

Formation - 433

Defensive Line Balanced

Marking - Zonal, no man-to-man making during open play.

Style - broadly direct, focused on quick attacks utilising the excellent long passing of Overath, Brehme and Brietner to play in the quick front three. However, we are perfectly capable of slowing it down and playing with a more possession orientated style.

Only one of Brehme or Irwin will really bomb on at once.

My technically adept and hardworking midfield three is very well placed to minimise Maradona's influence. Working as a three to minimise the space and putting in hard tackles will make it very difficult for Maradona.

Player Name - Player Position - Player Role/Info

Jose Luis Chilavert- Goalkeeper – Three times winner of IFFHS's Goalkeeper of the Year who also has excellent distribution to instigate counter attacks.

Willi Schulz – Ball-playing CB – An excellent reader of the game, an expert tackler and solid passer. Rated as World Class numerous times by Kicker.

Oscar Ruggeri- Classic stopper. Dominant in the air, relatively quick and a hard tackler who also possessed decent passing. Named Foreign Player of La Liga in his only season there in 1989 and World Cup winner in 1986.

Denis Irwin - Balanced Right Back – Intelligent all-round full back. Adept defending, dribbling and passing. Mr Reliable.

Andreas Brehme – Attacking Left Back – One the GOAT attacking left backs. Consummate defending and attacking with excellent crossing and free kick taking. His delivery to Riva will be a handful for 2mufc0's defence.

Uli Stielike – Cultured destroyer – Rugged tackler, clever positioner, solid dribbler and adept passer. Voted best foreign player in La Liga four years in a row. He will marshal in front of the back four without the ball and keep a very close eye on Maradona.

Wolfgang Overath – Midfield Playmaker – A supreme passer both short and long as well as a tight dribbler. Kopa and Finney will love his raking passing. He also had a fierce shot and averaged around 8 goals a season (if he played all games in a 38 game season) in a side which rarely finished higher than 4th.

Paul Brietner - Goalscoring Box-to-box – All round, all-action midfielder who scored goals. At his goal scoring peak he had 35 goals in 59 league game which also happened to be when he was runner up in the Ballon d'Or in 1981. He has full freedom to contribute in defence and attack. This will definitely be peak Breitner.

Tom Finney – Goal scoring winger. Tricky dribbler, great crosser and excellent goalscorers. Preston and England legend.

Raymond Kopa - Wide playmaker - Ballon d'Or winner in 1958. Two-footed, quick, agile who was an excellent dribbler and passer.

Luigi Riva - Striker – An excellent all round striker. Great dribbler, quick, powerful, strong in the air and also very agile scoring numerous overhead kicks. Excellent attributes for the lone man striker. Three times Serie A top scorer. 54 goals in 87 games at his peak.

Tactical Change

To even further bamboozle Gio and 2mufc0's defence not only will Kopa and Finney switch sides but also Brehme and Irwin. It's rare for full-backs to switch sides during the game but Germany's 1972 side did it on occasions against England. Plus Brehme and Irwin are comfortable on both sides. Brehme will generally be on Kopa's side as the latter is an AM more than anything else with Irwin on Finney's side as he needs less support

Tactics 2mufc/Gio

Starting at the back Francesco Toldo is in goal, a reliable and consistent keeper and one of the best goalkeepers of his generation. The greatest defender of all time Franz Beckenbauer marshals the defence and provides impeccable reading of the game and defensive nous; he will also provide world class distribution from the back. Next to him is Djalma a top class defender, he will provide cover while Kaiser ventures forward, Djalma will also provide support for Bene ahead of him. Partnering Kaiser is Real Madrid legend Santamaria he will be the stopper in the partnership providing world class defensive cover. At left back is Briegel bustling with energy and physicality able to provide attacking threat as well as more than sufficient defensive cover.

In midfield, 2 time world cup winner Zito is tasked with screening the defence and providing precise distribution from deep midfield positions, he is also a fantastic ball winner able to break up opposition attacks and setup quick counters. Vidal partners him in central midfield and has the box to box role and provides additional energy and bite in the midfield area. In front of these two is the greatest no.10 of all time Maradona he will be at the centre of the team in the attacking phase with the play running through him, he will be devastating making runs from deep positions and also through his immense passing feeding the front 3.

In attack Muller the most lethal finisher of all time spearheads the attack he will be ready waiting to pounce from service from Maradona and wide areas. At RW is Hungarian legend Bene known for his pace and dribbling ability, he will be a menace taking on the opposition full back. On the left is Heynckes who also possesses great skill, he also has a proven successful partnership with Muller, with both winning the 1972 UEFA Euro.

Overall the team is setup with the 3 best players in defence, midfield and attack to thrive; the team is setup to play direct football with quick transitions and also built on solid foundation at the back able to soak up pressure when required. It is also difficult to envision a better spine in the draft (Beckenbauer-Maradona-Muller) and on an individual level all three have the ability to make a difference in a close match up and win the game for us.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Finney and Kopa look to have been interchanged and operating in wrong flanks? @Physiocrat

 

[Indnyc]

@Physiocrat @2mufc0 @Gio apologies i forgot to tag you guys.. Good luck

 

[Physiocrat]

Finney and Kopa look to have been interchanged and operating in wrong flanks? @Physiocrat

Finney turned professional just after the outbreak of the second world war, which would steal years from his career. He had two excellent feet. A natural left-footer who began as an inside-left, he was switched by Preston to the right wing.

During the war he served with the Royal Armoured Corps and was a tank driver in north Africa and Italy, where he took part in the battle to capture Argenta in April 1945. He was also selected to play for several forces sides in Egypt, once lining up for the Eighth Army against the actor Omar Sharif, who was playing for King Farouk's team.

Finney was given a relatively quick discharge from the army – not to play football, but because plumbers were needed to help with reconstruction. He made his long-delayed league debut for Preston at the age of 24 against Leeds United on 31 August 1946, the opening day of the first postwar season. It was the first of 473 competitive appearances for the club, in which he scored 210 goals.

Many comparisons were made between Finney and Matthews, whom he initially displaced on England's right wing. Matthews was a showman, dubbed "the wizard of the dribble", an out-and-out winger who would hug the touchline. Finney was more versatile, playing in all five forward positions over the course of his career, and could score as well as create goals.

Finney preferred the right-wing but was switched to the left so England could accommodate him and Matthews.

With respect to Kopa he started essentially as an AM for Stade Reims and France before he was moved to the right wing for Real. With Brehme at left back he will have ample chance to cut in and playmake centrally with through balls to Riva and Finney. The reference to wide playmaker in the OP was mainly about his starting position.

 

[Physiocrat]

@Indnyc Any chance you could make 2mufc0's formation picture similar to mine?

 

[green_smiley]

Vote Physio as the opposition's formation graphic is horrendous

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Finney preferred the right-wing but was switched to the left so England could accommodate him and Matthews.

With respect to Kopa he started essentially as an AM for Stade Reims and France before he was moved to the right wing for Real. With Brehme at left back he will have ample chance to cut in and playmake centrally with through balls to Riva and Finney. The reference to wide playmaker in the OP was mainly about his starting position.

Not disagreeing, but Kopa won the Balon d'Or playing right wing. I see no reason for him to be shunted left here. Yes, he can cut in with Brehme...but why not just play him where he had his best years? Esp when you have Finney who was a natural left footer? Finney played left so Stanley Matthews can play at right, see no reason he can't do the same here for Kopa.

Anway, good to see Finney having a game here. I wanted to pick him myself.

"To dictate the pace and course of a game, a player has to be blessed with awesome qualities. Those who have accomplished it on a regular basis can be counted on the fingers of one hand - Pele, Maradona, Best, Di Stefano, and Tom Finney."

 

[Physiocrat]

I think a weak link for 2mufc is Santamaria. I've tried to find the all-touches and actions vid I think I remember I saw. For many of the goals he was at fault for and he is up against a much better attack than in those videos.

Here's some of Riva's best goals -


@2mufc0 Have you got more info on Bene? My understanding was he was more of a striker than a right winger and not someone you'd want on the right just with Djalma to support. Djalma was always considered less attacking than Nilton and Nilton provided less going forward than Irwin did.

 

[Physiocrat]

Not disagreeing, but Kopa won the Balon d'Or playing right wing. I see no reason for him to be shunted left here. Yes, he can cut in with Brehme...but why not just play him where he had his best years? Esp when you have Finney who was a natural left footer? Finney played left so Stanley Matthews can play at right, see no reason he can't do the same here for Kopa.

Anway, good to see Finney having a game here. I wanted to pick him myself.

Kopa won the Ballon D'Or mainly for his World Cup where he played centrally so I really don't see him not excelling here.

Btw great Matthews quote.

 

[Physiocrat]

Some more evidence on Santamaria from other posters.

And the didn't rush into tackles part is incorrect IMO. That would be the biggest criticism I could give him based on what I have watched.
Watch the 1960 European Cup final for example which Real won 7-3 against Frankfurt.
2 of the 3 goals conceded by Real were as a result of Santamaria over commuting himself in tackles, not winning them and leaving gaps in defense leading to goals. For the 3rd goal, he was ball watching in the box. Maybe I am being overly critical, but that looked far from a all time great player's performance in a big game.

I was not particularly impressed with his organization skills as well. In the games I watched, the Real defense looked all over the place many times

Happy to defer to people who have watched him more than I have done, but looking at the 1954 tournament, he's at fault for a lot of goals Uruguay concede. Definitely think his reputation has been elevated based on what he did as part of that great Real team, perhaps like an early-day equivalent Ramos or Pique - i.e. someone who was still influential, was their team's best defender, contributed well to the style of play, but was too error-prone to really stand comparison with the finest of all time.

This is really not the type of defender you want up against Riva with the supply he'll receive. Further, as Invictus noted recently, Briegel struggled against tricky winger types so Finney will cause him some significant problems.

Here's a great video showcasing Breitner. He was a massively complete player who will seriously help against Maradona when we are without the ball.


Also if any of you think Overath would be a passenger in defence read this great post from Synco.

2. 1974 WC second round match against Yugoslavia

No compilation, but the game can be watched on Footballia; time marks refer to that video. I made this one before I found the video above. Since it has more focus on movement (which is usually missing in match compilations), I thought I still post it for a fuller picture.

I have noted down Overath's behaviour against the ball during the first 20 minutes of the game as I see it.

Spoiler: vs Yugoslavia '74

High pressing
0:05 pressing run right after kick off YUG

4:35 YUG defender dispossesses Hölzenbein (?), Overath goes into counter pressing, winning a corner

Positional defending inside defensive formation
0:45 - 1:05 closes down space / passing lanes around ball carrier to protect the center; increasingly moves closer

3:35 - 4:05 defends up front with Müller - shifts position to limit ball carrier's options - finally attempts a tackle, opponent commits a bad pass - then a short dash to help out pressurised teammates playing out of the back (not needed because Müller gets there first)

7:50 defensive position close to the ball in half-left CM/DM - collects the ball after Vogts's tackle

10:50 interception in RMF, chases loose ball, tackle and ball retention

15:10 blocks a long ball in RDM and continues to cover that zone

Tracking runs
6:58 long defensive sprint from CM into the box to help containing Acimovic after long ball (note the pace on that run)

8:40 falls back into midfield during defensive transition - tracks Acimovic's run after long ball at 8:55, but leaves him for Beckenbauer

9:45 tracks back into his own box after free kick situation

14:00 casually shadows Acimovic, makes sure he can't move forward uncovered

14:50 defensive sprint and duel in RMF, prevents Acimovic from breaking through on the wing, fouls the player in the process. Overath pissed off, yelling at the ref

19:00 man marks Acimovic's backwards run into the Yugoslav half, then tracks his deep sprint towards Germany's box

Defensive transition
6:40 moves back into central midfield, scanning the situation

13:40 - 13:50 far away from the ball during the counter, jogs back into CM

16:00 - 16:35 same as above, starts to get active once behind the ball

19:15 covers the Yugoslav ball carrier on the left wing during a counter; reduces passing angles towards the center with his positioning

Miscellaneous
note the pace on the offensive run at 1:32

stays back in DM to provide cover for Beckenbauer's forward movement at 19:40

Outside the timeframe, but Overath's defending on the counter at 22:45 is practically identical with the one at 19:15

These 20 minutes feature many characteristics of Overath in and out of possession. Since the focus here is on defense: We see him defending inside the opposition half, in CM, back into his own box, and on the wings; at the top of the defensive structure as well as deeper inside; he tracks runs (seems to part time man mark the Yugoslav #10, Acimovic); his pace and acceleration are visible in some situations, as are his general determination and situational awareness.

He always seeks to get involved in offense and defense, and positions himself flexibly and intelligently according to each situation and the game's structure. If the relevant opponents are covered, he positions himself in space, within reach of the situation; if the situation requires him to intervene, he does.

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P.S.: Overthinking my earlier posts once again: "perma-angry" was a bit overdramatic. But "committed and intense in offense and defense" is fair, imo.

 

[Don Alfredo]

When I saw Physio bidding 110m on Breitner I was like "what the hell?"

Now it makes sense and this all German midfield is a thing of beauty - it's outstanding in all aspects of the game and perfectly complimentary. You can't just chuck in Falcao, Iniesta or some other silky playmaker, the essence would get lost.

2muGio look like a perfectly solid team when you start to look at the top half of their team sheet, then you scroll down and see Beckenbauer in there, just ridiculous

Will wait for the discussion to unfold

 

[Gio]

@Physiocrat I’ve said before that I felt Santamaria was overrated out there. But even then he’s clearly ensconced in a top tier of South American centre-halves and has proven his credentials in both continents and in domestic (11 league titles), continental (5 European Cups) and international football (1954 World Cup all-star team). In this game while both Ruggeri and Schulz are a quality and complementary pairing, I’d place Santamaria as the second best central defender on the park behind Beckenbauer. More importantly though I think his style complements the Kaiser and together they both lead proactively from the back, which is the bedrock of successful sides which take control of games.

Looking at how the centre-halves will fare, the toughest test is in dealing with Gerd Muller, even before taking into account his record of a mind boggling 20 goals in 15 games against Schulz.

 

[Gio]

Finney and Kopa look to have been interchanged and operating in wrong flanks? @Physiocrat

In physio’s defence, I quite like Finney on the right, cutting onto his left foot. He was always pretty flexible across the front line.

 

[Theon]

Muller - Maradona - Beckenbauer is a ridiculously good spine.

How was that allowed to happen

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

Good team from both the lads.

@2mufc0 @Gio

I am sorry if it feels like nitpicking, but I have never been a fan of the most defensive full back and the DM on the same side of the pitch. Especially with someone like Bene who wont drop deep as well.

I know you have the Kaiser to distribute and it can't get better than that from the centre, but my general understanding is it leaves huge link up problem on that flank.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

I honestly thought 2muGio would win this without breaking sweat, but physiocrat has silently built an amazing team with no tier 1 stars.

Deserves to be heard till tomorrow before voting.

 

[2mufc0]

Good team from both the lads.

@2mufc0 @Gio

I am sorry if it feels like nitpicking, but I have never been a fan of the most defensive full back and the DM on the same side of the pitch. Especially with someone like Bene who wont drop deep as well.

I know you have the Kaiser to distribute and it can't get better than that from the centre, but my general understanding is it leaves huge link up problem on that flank.

Cheers for the feedback, on the other hand Djalma wasn't a total defensive full back like Gentile or Burgnich he did possess some attacking threat. Furthermore as you have pointed out this setup allows Kaiser to dictate and even get forward when the opportunity arises to contribute with the linkup.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

@Physiocrat it would help if you placed Brehme further up with an arrow and Kopa with arrows inside. For people that dont read through the thread it looks like a classic wing role for Kopa.

 

[2mufc0]

I think a weak link for 2mufc is Santamaria. I've tried to find the all-touches and actions vid I think I remember I saw. For many of the goals he was at fault for and he is up against a much better attack than in those videos.

Here's some of Riva's best goals -


@2mufc0 Have you got more info on Bene? My understanding was he was more of a striker than a right winger and not someone you'd want on the right just with Djalma to support. Djalma was always considered less attacking than Nilton and Nilton provided less going forward than Irwin did.

Bene could and did play striker but also as outside right/RW that's where he played most of his fottball for Hungary, as you can see from the video a lot to his work came from the right wing.

 

[2mufc0]

As Gio has already pointed out Muller has a proven track record vs Schulz with 20 goals in 15 games. Furthermore, I don't believe Stielike is the level of player required to contain Maradona and neither Overath or Breitner were defensive midfielders either. I think he will have a good game here.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

As Gio has already pointed Muller has a proven track record vs Schulz with 20 goals in 15 games.

Wow, that is compelling.
Sorry physio, but voting based on this for now.

Will keep an eye out for the discussion and reconsider my vote tomorrow

 

[Physiocrat]

@Physiocrat it would help if you placed Brehme further up with an arrow and Kopa with arrows inside. For people that dont read through the thread it looks like a classic wing role for Kopa.

I see that. I thought of doing it but I didn't want people to think that Irwin would just stay back and that Brehme would always just bomb on. I think some more on it.

 

[Physiocrat]

@Physiocrat I’ve said before that I felt Santamaria was overrated out there. But even then he’s clearly ensconced in a top tier of South American centre-halves and has proven his credentials in both continents and in domestic (11 league titles), continental (5 European Cups) and international football (1954 World Cup all-star team). In this game while both Ruggeri and Schulz are a quality and complementary pairing, I’d place Santamaria as the second best central defender on the park behind Beckenbauer. More importantly though I think his style complements the Kaiser and together they both lead proactively from the back, which is the bedrock of successful sides which take control of games.

Santamaria is certainly complementary to Der Kaiser, no doubt about it but he is somewhat error prone. You yourself compared him to Ramos and he'd always be considered a liability in draft games. Now you may not have meant exact quality wise with Ramos but still not what I'd want any form of comparison of those with my front three.

Looking at how the centre-halves will fare, the toughest test is in dealing with Gerd Muller, even before taking into account his record of a mind boggling 20 goals in 15 games against Schulz.

Do you have anymore details on this? If you take a look at this game link below Schulz was playing DM. He played there for Germany on occasions so without any further context it could well be the case Muller did not directly face-off against Schulz. Further, for many of the early seasons that Muller was playing in the Bundesliga Hamburg were terrible finishing in the bottom half for about four seasons straight so the overall gulf in quality is likely to be large.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/986065

@GodShaveTheQueen

Furthermore, I don't believe Stielike is the level of player required to contain Maradona and neither Overath or Breitner were defensive midfielders either. I think he will have a good game here.

Having three defensive midfielders makes no sense. What you need is highly, mobile and defensively astute midfield to deny him time and space. Which is exactly what I have. Breitner plays in double pivots no problem and began as a defensively astute left back. Overath too is no mug in defence. Am I saying we can shut him down entirely no, but a three all working together in the middle will make his job jolly hard.

Bene could and did play striker but also as outside right/RW that's where he played most of his fottball for Hungary, as you can see from the video a lot to his work came from the right wing.

Thanks for the vid. I had a quick look at the video and he seems a very handy player although Brehme will be a difficult man to beat.

When I saw Physio bidding 110m on Breitner I was like "what the hell?"
Now it makes sense and this all German midfield is a thing of beauty - it's outstanding in all aspects of the game and perfectly complimentary. You can't just chuck in Falcao, Iniesta or some other silky playmaker, the essence would get lost.

Thanks. That style of midfield IMO has the best blend of creativity, goals, work rate and defensive nous that you can get. Finding a player who combines creativity and box-to-box ability with goals though is hard to come by which is why I prioritised Breitner.

And to finish a great video showcasing Kopa (Btw the Barbosa Futbol channel is brilliant)

 

[Physiocrat]

@Indnyc

Please update my line-up with this arrow enhanced edition @Šjor Bepo

Can you please add a tactical change too -

To even further bamboozle Gio and 2mufc0's defence not only will Kopa and Finney switch sides but also Brehme and Irwin. It's rare for full-backs to switch sides during the game but Germany's 1972 side did it on occasions against England. Plus Brehme and Irwin are comfortable on both sides. Brehme will generally be on Kopa's side as the latter is an AM more than anything else with Irwin on Finney's side as he needs less support.

 

[harms]

Esp when you have Finney who was a natural left footer?

Was he? I could never tell which one was his natural one — he even took free kicks both with his right and with his left one, but if I was forced to choose, I would pick his right one. By all accounts he played more like an orthodox winger on the right and cut inside from the left, which looks like a description of a right-footed player, although, of course, it's a generalisation, as he made brilliant crosses from the left and often cut inside from the right wing as well.

 

[Don Alfredo]

To even further bamboozle Gio and 2mufc0's defence not only will Kopa and Finney switch sides but also Brehme and Irwin. It's rare for full-backs to switch sides during the game but Germany's 1972 side did it on occasions against England.

I love it. Stealing tactics from the greatest German side ever while the opposition has Beckenbauer, Müller and Heynckes, cheeky

 

[Physiocrat]

I love it. Stealing tactics from the greatest German side ever while the opposition has Beckenbauer, Müller and Heynckes, cheeky

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Was he? I could never tell which one was his natural one — he even took free kicks both with his right and with his left one, but if I was forced to choose, I would pick his right one. By all accounts he played more like an orthodox winger on the right and cut inside from the left, which looks like a description of a right-footed player, although, of course, it's a generalisation, as he made brilliant crosses from the left and often cut inside from the right wing as well.

It was never on Finney, he's a natural at either wing. I'm was not sure on Kopa being in left, but in hindsight Finney vs Briegel is more favourable to Physio than Finney vs Djalma.

 

[harms]

It was never on Finney, he's a natural at either wing. I'm was not sure on Kopa being in left, but in hindsight Finney vs Briegel is more favourable to Physio than Finney vs Djalma.

I was replying specifically to your left-footed comment. On a general point I agree that they should be swapped.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

this game feels a lot like that thread pnut made where you put out a team and then the next poster had to pick a team to beat it. the latter team being physio's, in this case.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Wow, harsh.

I reckon Physio wingers will get more joy against MuGuio fullbacks than vice versa. Finney especially looks to he getting a short shift. A quick and tricky winger like Finney is probably the worst fit for a workhorsew like Briegel.

This game will depend on Maradona - Muller magic, but Physio will score more, I reckon. 2-1 to Physio is how I see this.

 

[Gio]

Do you have anymore details on this? If you take a look at this game link below Schulz was playing DM. He played there for Germany on occasions so without any further context it could well be the case Muller did not directly face-off against Schulz. Further, for many of the early seasons that Muller was playing in the Bundesliga Hamburg were terrible finishing in the bottom half for about four seasons straight so the overall gulf in quality is likely to be large.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/986065

Well according to Kicker, Schulz moved from midfield into defence around 1965 when Muller started with Bayern.

Spoiler: Kicker Schulz Positions

1957 not considered[12/57] 1958 not considered 1959 broad circle [07/59] [#7 Half Back] 1959 broad circle [12/59] [#4 Half Back] 1960 broad circle [1960] [#4 Half Back] 1961 broad circle [07/61] [#3 Half Back] 1961 broad circle [12/61] [#2 Half Back] 1962 no ranking iss. [07/62] 1962 Internat. Cl. [12/62] [#1 Half Back] 1963 Internat. Cl. [07/63] [#1 Half Back] 1963 Internat. Cl. [12/63] [#1 Half Back] 1964 Internat. Cl. [07/64] [#1 Half Back] 1964 Internat. Cl. [12/64] [#1 Half Back] 1964 broad circle [12/64] [#4 Center Half] 1965 Internat. Cl. [07/65] [#2 Half Back] 1965 broad circle [07/65] [#3 Center Half] 1965 Internat. Cl. [12/65] [#4 Half Back] 1966 World Class [07/66] [#1 Central Defender] 1966 World Class [12/66] [#1 Central Defender] 1967 World Class [07/67] [#2 Central Defender] 1967 Internat. Cl. [12/67] [#1 Central Defender] 1968 Internat. Cl. [07/68] [#3 Central Defender] 1968 World Class [12/68] [#2 Central Defender] 1969 World Class [07/69] [#2 Central Defender] 1969 World Class [12/69] [#2 Central Defender] 1970 Internat. Cl. [07/70] [#3 Central Defender] 1970 Internat. Cl. [12/70] [#4 Central Defender] 1971 broad circle [07/71] [#5 Libero] 1971 considered_ [12/71] [Libero] 1972 considered_ [07/72] [Libero] 1972 not considered [12/72] 1973 considered_ [07/73] [Libero]/spoiler]

 

[Indnyc]

@Indnyc

Please update my line-up with this arrow enhanced edition @Šjor Bepo

Can you please add a tactical change too -

To even further bamboozle Gio and 2mufc0's defence not only will Kopa and Finney switch sides but also Brehme and Irwin. It's rare for full-backs to switch sides during the game but Germany's 1972 side did it on occasions against England. Plus Brehme and Irwin are comfortable on both sides. Brehme will generally be on Kopa's side as the latter is an AM more than anything else with Irwin on Finney's side as he needs less support.

Done. Apologies for the delay.. Been a terribly busy day

 

[Isotope]

2mufc/gio team is insane.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Just watched kaiser videos for a while. What an absolute joy to watch.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Just voted for 2mugcGio. Their team is just too good to look past.

I’m not a fan of those picture card formations though, they’re harder to judge than just a simple marker and clog up the field image.

 

[Physiocrat]

Out of interest for those voting 2mufc0/Gio what swung it? I know GodShavetheQueen voted on Muller's record Vs Schulz but that seems less than clear cut and that Hamburg were a bottom half side.

Is it Gio will score more or that he'll most shut me out?

As a unit my midfield is better than Gio's. Obviously Maradona is brilliant but I'd take Overath over Vidal (who IMO is really quite overated) and Stielike over Zito - the latter seemed perfectly competent but lacks the dynamism and passing of Stielike.

 

[Physiocrat]

If I was doing a combined side I'd go-

-----------------Muller------------
Kopa-------Maradona------Finney
----------Stielike----Breitner--------
Brehme-Ruggeri-Kaiser--Djalma
------------------Chilavert-----------------

 

[Physiocrat]

One more thing. I really rate Toldo as a keeper and thought he was better than Buffon for a good number of years. However, I don't remember him dealing that well with crosses so the Finney to Riva option after Finney beats Briegel could be very fruitful

 

[Enigma_87]

Out of interest for those voting 2mufc0/Gio what swung it? I know GodShavetheQueen voted on Muller's record Vs Schulz but that seems less than clear cut and that Hamburg were a bottom half side.

Is it Gio will score more or that he'll most shut me out?

As a unit my midfield is better than Gio's. Obviously Maradona is brilliant but I'd take Overath over Vidal (who IMO is really quite overated) and Stielike over Zito - the latter seemed perfectly competent but lacks the dynamism and passing of Stielike.

Personally it was Gerd Muller for me as the decisive factor.

You definitely have the edge in midfield and I don't rate Bene as a winger in a 4 man attack, he was more of a second striker.

They do have more favorable match ups though. Kopa IMO would be shut down here by Djalma, Finney vs Briegel is a match up in your favor, but then so is Maradona vs Stielike and Muller vs Schulz/Ruggeri.

Beckenbauer/Santamaria will get the better of Riva and provide an extra man cover in defence in what IMO is a tie breaker here.

Toldo and Chilavert are IMO on par here, not much between them. Your set up is pretty much spot on, but it was a bad match up and I can see you beating most of the sides in the first round just not this one.