Woodward's summer objectives

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Is Pereira really deadwood?
Given his age - 23 - I would say so. Don't see him improving enough and he's not likely to get much game time if Pogba, Herrera and Fred stay. I would rather promote Gomes and Garner. We extended his contract by 1 year but no full contract which suggests the club don't feel he is important.
I'm not bothered if he does stay but if we're going to be ruthless this summer he will go.
 

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If that is his point then he should have said that shouldn't he, to say we have not won a major trophy in 6 years is simply wrong.

Hold on, winning the Europa League & League Cup, qualifying for the Champions League, that was not a successful season? Jesus get off Twitter and back to the real bloody world lad, just because we are Man United does not give us some divine right to win everything every year.
Well said. You should never get tired of winning trophies.
 

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This is probably the most important transfer window for years, we can't afford any dud's this time.
 

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Probably getting rid of Sanchez.



A bit of a pessimistic view.

We have a proven goal machine (Lukaku) who looks like he’s coming out of his slump.

Two of the most promising young attacking talents in the league in Martial and Rashford, with more coming through the academy.

Potentially the most inform centre back pairing in the league since Jan 2019, and it’s clear that we are going to improve on this area.

Dalot is showing promise.

Pogba looks likely to remain for at least another season.

We have finally appointed a manager who plays positive football and have made significant ground in the table to be in a strong position for top 4 place.

We are probably a winger and centre back away from being top 3 squad. Add a top midfielder and rightback and we could easily challenge for everything.
When you really think about it, the positives are really thin and few between but fair play for listing them.

Giving to much credit to the fans. When the media/fans start putting some heat on Woody/Glazers, then the "Man Utd set to appoint a DoF/Man Utd set to make major changes/Man Utd set to professionalize etc" stories comes. Then nothing changes, the fans forget about it and the cycle starts again.

Most fans still think that the owners wants to win the league. Glazers wants maximum economical return with the minimum of the clubs money spent. This translates into;
  • Get top 4 with the minimum investment needed.
Other owners states publicy that "we want to be the best club in the world, win the league, champions league etc" and then acts like it. The big difference is that our owners never speaks about the club, its goals, no transparency, seldom at games etc. MUFC is their cash cow and the only thing that matters is £££.
This is a fact.

We operate to maximum ROI.

City, Real and Barca operate only to be elite sporting teams.

It's impossible to compete with that.
 

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This is a fact.

We operate to maximum ROI.

City, Real and Barca operate only to be elite sporting teams.

It's impossible to compete with that.
The part that annoys me most about how the club is run is that it is fully possible to challenge on all fronts given the current economical premisses. The problem is not the amount the club is using on transfers and wages, it is how it is used. If we seperated the footballing department of this club from the rest and let it be more or less independent in regards to footballing decisions from the owners/Woodward and operating under the same financial conditions as it is currently operating under, we should be able to challenge for the big trophies within 3 years.
 

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I would theorize that we have spent plenty to bring in top players, we just haven’t spent on the *right* players.

According to TransferMarkt: https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

Net spend with Prem rank the last 5 years:
1. Man City: 713m
2. Man United: 613m
3. Arsenal: 330m
.....
19. Tottenham: 35m
20. Southampton: +42m

This doesn’t include wages. There are many in the caf who say we aren’t spending enough. But that is clearly not true. We spend 90% of our time lamenting that Moyes, LvG and Jose weren’t good enough at man management and tactics, never measuring up to Sir Alex. Could it be that SAF’s greatest attribute was his ability to buy and develop great players?

We have a broken scouting and transfer strategy that must be fixed. Is it possible that the previous CEOs were so reliant on SAF’s transfer market and scouting acumen that when Woodward stepped in and SAF left, there was a huge shortfall in organizational capacity to find, buy, and develop a talent pipeline worthy of our lofty standards?

It’s shocking that The Spurs have spent so little yet have such a talented squad.

Also, assuming the accuracy of these numbers, can we really blame the Glazers for not spending enough? According to this data, the Glazers have spent more than Chelsea, despite the media trope that Chelsea is backed buy oil money and routinely build bonfires with fat wads of cash.

Actually, given the poor choices the scouting and management departments have made since SAF left, I don’t blame the Glazers / Woodward for wanting to hold back transfer funds. Yes, there is the income side to this equation, and in that area we are very strong, especially Woodward.

I just don’t believe that there is any logical person that can conclude that we aren’t spending enough given the data we have on hand.
 

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I would theorize that we have spent plenty to bring in top players, we just haven’t spent on the *right* players.
We have spent enough over the last 5 years, but the way it is spent on wages and transfers is simply pathetic.

One could also argue that the squad left after SAF retired was not much better than the squad Leichester won the league with, and we won the league that season partially due to SAF(+coaches and RVP).
 

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I have a hunch that David Moyes was the fall guy for Ed Woodward. Dithering Dave might have given him some targets with plenty of time to get them but Woodward had no clue how the transfer market works and so messed it all up.
Moyes would have said that if that was the case. Also, Woodward was learning from Gill. Us not signing anyone other than Fellaini that summer is due to Moyes sticking to the targets he had and not moving on to other choices. That most recent interview he did he listed those same players and said we were close to getting them. Those were the only players he wanted that summer.
 

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I would theorize that we have spent plenty to bring in top players, we just haven’t spent on the *right* players.

According to TransferMarkt: https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

Net spend with Prem rank the last 5 years:
1. Man City: 713m
2. Man United: 613m
3. Arsenal: 330m
.....
19. Tottenham: 35m
20. Southampton: +42m

This doesn’t include wages. There are many in the caf who say we aren’t spending enough. But that is clearly not true. We spend 90% of our time lamenting that Moyes, LvG and Jose weren’t good enough at man management and tactics, never measuring up to Sir Alex. Could it be that SAF’s greatest attribute was his ability to buy and develop great players?

We have a broken scouting and transfer strategy that must be fixed. Is it possible that the previous CEOs were so reliant on SAF’s transfer market and scouting acumen that when Woodward stepped in and SAF left, there was a huge shortfall in organizational capacity to find, buy, and develop a talent pipeline worthy of our lofty standards?

It’s shocking that The Spurs have spent so little yet have such a talented squad.

Also, assuming the accuracy of these numbers, can we really blame the Glazers for not spending enough? According to this data, the Glazers have spent more than Chelsea, despite the media trope that Chelsea is backed buy oil money and routinely build bonfires with fat wads of cash.

Actually, given the poor choices the scouting and management departments have made since SAF left, I don’t blame the Glazers / Woodward for wanting to hold back transfer funds. Yes, there is the income side to this equation, and in that area we are very strong, especially Woodward.

I just don’t believe that there is any logical person that can conclude that we aren’t spending enough given the data we have on hand.
You are ignoring the fact that we barely spent anything between 2009-2013. The squad Fergie left wasn't great and combined with the other factors you mentioned is the reason for our decline. No-one here will disagree that we need to sort out the rest of the club in addition to getting a big transfer budget.
 

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But you should get tired of constant underachieving.
It will be interesting if Liverpool do not win the league as how they react next season. It might drive them on, but it could knock them right back. The problem we have is City, bottomless pit City and Pep. We could be right up there with them at least. Maybe we hope that they do get a transfer ban.
 

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It will be interesting if Liverpool do not win the league as how they react next season. It might drive them on, but it could knock them right back. The problem we have is City, bottomless pit City and Pep. We could be right up there with them at least. Maybe we hope that they do get a transfer ban.
City are on another level sadly, don't see us competing next season. Liverpool though have overachieved a bit so will have to make good signings to maintain their position. If we make the right signings I think we can overtake them in squad depth at least.
 

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The part that annoys me most about how the club is run is that it is fully possible to challenge on all fronts given the current economical premisses. The problem is not the amount the club is using on transfers and wages, it is how it is used. If we seperated the footballing department of this club from the rest and let it be more or less independent in regards to footballing decisions from the owners/Woodward and operating under the same financial conditions as it is currently operating under, we should be able to challenge for the big trophies within 3 years.
That is impossible. Every club the recruitment guys report to the owners and/or CEO
 

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That is impossible. Every club the recruitment guys report to the owners and/or CEO
Yes, they will still report to the owners/CEO, but they do not have to ask for permission regarding footballdecisions other than marquee signings and managerial decisions. The main interaction is so set the goals for the season (football) and what economical condition to operate under. Everything else is controlled by DoF/sporting director with Manager/head of recruitement/scouting and head of academy allowed to come with input.
 

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MUST demand financial backing and DoF appointment to support Ole.
 

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City are on another level sadly, don't see us competing next season. Liverpool though have overachieved a bit so will have to make good signings to maintain their position. If we make the right signings I think we can overtake them in squad depth at least.
How soon? Klopp legitimately has 15-16 players that have maintained a high level all year. We have several glaring holes in our first XI, nevermind what backs them up. Liverpool's strength is its depth.
 

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MUST demand financial backing and DoF appointment to support Ole.
The irony being that 'proper structure' there starts with removal of Woodward.

Trying-to-sound-proactive see-thru rhetoric as thin as tissue paper from people who have been reported to have no idea how to go about implementing 'proper structure'.

Also loved the recent 'Woodward doesn't handle contract negotiations, there's someone else who does that (but then reports directly to him)' tidbit.

You are ignoring the fact that we barely spent anything between 2009-2013. The squad Fergie left wasn't great and combined with the other factors you mentioned is the reason for our decline. No-one here will disagree that we need to sort out the rest of the club in addition to getting a big transfer budget.
Exactly. 'But the Glazers' have spent plenty' should always include the reminder that the recent spending is a lot closer to desperate thrashing than calculated application.
 

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It depends on us playing CL football or not. Its hard to compete with teams that can guarantee that. Barcelona,Bayern and Madrid can actually do that so it might be easier for them to sign players right now. That's not the case for us.
 

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The irony being that 'proper structure' there starts with removal of Woodward.

Trying-to-sound-proactive see-thru rhetoric as thin as tissue paper from people who have been reported to have no idea how to go about implementing 'proper structure'.

Also loved the recent 'Woodward doesn't handle contract negotiations, there's someone else who does that (but then reports directly to him)' tidbit.



Exactly. 'But the Glazers' have spent plenty' should always include the reminder that the recent spending is a lot closer to desperate thrashing than calculated application.
I'm worried that he is being protected by his own incompetence. Some fans seem to believe it's unfair to expect him to get us back to the top in one summer because there is too much work to do. Why is there so much work to do? Because he's barely done anything for 5 years. Never ending self-perpetuating bollocks.
Honestly he gives off Enron vibes. Can't remember the name of the bloke but he constantly talked up his business and inflated share prices until it all collapsed because there wasn't any substance to back it up.
 

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We havent spent enough when you factor in the money the club brings in and that we were so far behind city after years of underinvestment. This summer is once and for all going to reveal the true intentions of the owners and board. New manager, fans back on board and excited about the future again. No excuses this summer.
 

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The board have to get this summer right because the fans won't tolerate another refusal to back the manager now Solskjær is here. I think our targets will be different, which is not only better but exciting. If I ever see players like Maguire or Persic in a United shirt I think I'll cry, let's hope there's no more Sanchez, Fellani, Di Maria, Mikhitaryan bullshit and more youth players getting snapped up.

1. Starting with De Ligt. Test his and Ajax's resolve. Barcelona will be lowballing them because he and they have been batting eyes at each other so whatever they're offering transfer and salary wise, double it and I'm dead serious about that, no matter how much it is, double it.

2. Identify and approach Europe and the UK's best youth talent. Start making moves now and make sure Solskjær goes out the with message that kids get a chance here. You could be playing in the United first team and winning major trophies. Go for Sancho or Hudson-Odoi (if he has the right mentality, we haven't see much of him yet) if we can't get Sancho. Go for Felix Joao from Benfica and really put Bayern's nose out of place by targeting the best German kids coming through the ranks over there.

3. Get rid of some of the deadwood. Rojo's time is up along with a few others. The years of mediocracy are over, pack your bags lads.

4. Get Sanchez off the books. Whatever the cost, he has to go, his mere being is causing wage structure and contract renewal issues. Get him gone ASAP.

5. Renew those big contracts or sign young whipper snapper replacements. Make sure the squad is aware that loyalty and hard work is rewarded, feck anyone else off who thinks they can hold the club to ransom or come here for an easy pay day.
 

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It’s been a while since I’ve logged in here to see half-witted threads full of people pretending to actually have a scooby about what the executives at the club do.

MONCHI!

Or something like that.
 

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You are ignoring the fact that we barely spent anything between 2009-2013. The squad Fergie left wasn't great and combined with the other factors you mentioned is the reason for our decline. No-one here will disagree that we need to sort out the rest of the club in addition to getting a big transfer budget.
We made two Champions League finals and won the league three times in those years. There was a lot of talent on those teams. Tevez, Van Persie, Valencia, Berbetov, Smalling, Chicharito, DDG, Ashley Young, Kagawa were all brought in. Given the results and how SAF wanted to set up his team, these were successful transfer windows.

I would argue that Moyes, LvG and to some extent Jose were the main culprits. That and the organizational setup. They need a DOF, and allow Woodward to continue to do his commercial deals because he is generating a ton of income. The DoF should also run the negotiations. Period.

On another note, I agree that we need to spend a lot in this window. But let’s not kid ourselves, we’ve outspent every other team in the league by double at least over the last 5 seasons, with the exception of City.
 

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It’s been a while since I’ve logged in here to see half-witted threads full of people pretending to actually have a scooby about what the executives at the club do.

MONCHI!

Or something like that.
Signed a load of players at Roma who have turned out to be average at best while selling some of their best. Resigned when the manager got fired despite it being his job to oversee the recruitment of the club in the event of managerial change. Javier Pastore has gone down like an absolute lead ballon, he's their Sanchez, all thanks to Monchi...
 

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Signed a load of players at Roma who have turned out to be average at best while selling some of their best. Resigned when the manager got fired despite it being his job to oversee the recruitment of the club in the event of managerial change. Javier Pastore has gone down like an absolute lead ballon, he's their Sanchez, all thanks to Monchi...
Director of Football’s are only as good as the bloke coaching the team of players at his disposal. And to a certain extent, the coaches are only as good as their players.

I haven’t got a clue how good this Monchi fellla is. I’m not sure about any of them. All I know is that sometimes football clubs get it together and sometimes they don’t, and there isn’t really a formula for that - in spite of what some may say. What works at one place will not necessarily work elsewhere, be it a football club, hospital, school or business. It’s why the suggestion we bring in some random bloke who did a good job for two years at Sevilla (as if he’s the saviour to all our woes) is going to change everything always makes me laugh.
 

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1. Sign Sancho and either De Ligt or if he goes to Barcelona, Umtiti or Koulibaly. Find a right back who can immediately start for us.
2. If we can't get top options, find the right 50M type option whether that's Ziyech or Pepe at RW or Andersen or Manolas at CB, we really should be able to get transfers of that type sorted and most of the time correctly pegged.
 

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Director of Football’s are only as good as the bloke coaching the team of players at his disposal. And to a certain extent, the coaches are only as good as their players.

I haven’t got a clue how good this Monchi fellla is. I’m not sure about any of them. All I know is that sometimes football clubs get it together and sometimes they don’t, and there isn’t really a formula for that - in spite of what some may say. What works at one place will not necessarily work elsewhere, be it a football club, hospital, school or business. It’s why the suggestion we bring in some random bloke who did a good job for two years at Sevilla (as if he’s the saviour to all our woes) is going to change everything always makes me laugh.
Agreed. We're at the point where people think a DoF is as important or more important that the manager himself. If we identify and sign the correct players United should be targeting under Solskjær, I don't see the need to add extra variables into the equation that could mess everything up.
 

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There is quite a few going out , Valencia, Darmian, Rojo, Sanchez maybe, wages to be freed up, to get the ones we need.

CB, RB, RW. I think if Bale is available for a fair price think he will come, Jadon Sancho, could well be another at top price he's a maybe.? CB is a must as is a RB.
 

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I would theorize that we have spent plenty to bring in top players, we just haven’t spent on the *right* players.

According to TransferMarkt: https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

Net spend with Prem rank the last 5 years:
1. Man City: 713m
2. Man United: 613m
3. Arsenal: 330m
.....
19. Tottenham: 35m
20. Southampton: +42m

This doesn’t include wages. There are many in the caf who say we aren’t spending enough. But that is clearly not true. We spend 90% of our time lamenting that Moyes, LvG and Jose weren’t good enough at man management and tactics, never measuring up to Sir Alex. Could it be that SAF’s greatest attribute was his ability to buy and develop great players?

We have a broken scouting and transfer strategy that must be fixed. Is it possible that the previous CEOs were so reliant on SAF’s transfer market and scouting acumen that when Woodward stepped in and SAF left, there was a huge shortfall in organizational capacity to find, buy, and develop a talent pipeline worthy of our lofty standards?

It’s shocking that The Spurs have spent so little yet have such a talented squad.

Also, assuming the accuracy of these numbers, can we really blame the Glazers for not spending enough? According to this data, the Glazers have spent more than Chelsea, despite the media trope that Chelsea is backed buy oil money and routinely build bonfires with fat wads of cash.

Actually, given the poor choices the scouting and management departments have made since SAF left, I don’t blame the Glazers / Woodward for wanting to hold back transfer funds. Yes, there is the income side to this equation, and in that area we are very strong, especially Woodward.

I just don’t believe that there is any logical person that can conclude that we aren’t spending enough given the data we have on hand.
Last 5 years we've been forced to spend because we've had 3 managers with very different playing styles. Instead of each years spend building on the previous years spend. It had been a case of delete and start again. From LVG possession midgets to Jose counter attacking giants!

Also, that 5 year snapshot is after 8 years of minimal spending by the Glazers so it is time for them to catch up!

The frustration is that after finishing 2nd last season we desperately needed to invest last Summer and this January to kick on. We have not done that and it is criminal!