Remember when this entire place was moaning when we finished 2nd? Good times.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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But why are we willing to give someone two or three transfer windows on the off-chance they might be good enough when the evidence is (increasingly) beginning to demonstrate otherwise? If we're sitting in 7th at the end of the season we will obviously sack him, irrespective of whether or not he wants to make more changes. New managers have come into clubs before and changed things drastically without necessarily overhauling the squad. I think we need significant changes on the pitch but no manager is going to get the time to literally change us entirely over three years if they don't perform well in the meantime. Football doesn't work that way.
Yeah. We can still fix this.
Just put a proper structure in place now, give Ole pre-season and the start of next season and then see where we're going. A ballsy Sporting Director is key though, he needs to be make the chop at the right time if it's not going anywhere.
It's not just the losses. We were outplayed in most of our victories, too. Then you have the awful football, weird formation choices, bad subs.
I don't want him to leave. Yet he need to realise that these guys aren't good enough and unless he kick them out quickly then they'll get him sacked just as they did with Moyes, LVG and Mou. You don't dilly dally with bad weed. SAF signed 5 players in 1998 and then another 5 players in 1989 and that was a time when squads were half the size they are now.
Why would he tell them before the seasons ended and there's still a chance for top 4?
2 managers in one season. 2 managers call out the players, they IMMEDIATELY stop playing for them.
We need to eat their wages and sell.....QUICKLY
We need to eat their wages and sell.....QUICKLY
6 losses in 8. Could be 7 in 9 by Wednesday. Then Chelsea at home...8 in 10?
It's unbelievably poor. I don't care how bad the squad is, we never had a run this poor under Moyes, LVG or Mourinho.
It's unbelievably poor. I don't care how bad the squad is, we never had a run this poor under Moyes, LVG or Mourinho.
The fans aren't getting paid millions to make wise footballing decisions. The board and Woodward should have learned from the last two appointments when fans did a U-turn and went from endorsing the appointments to cursing them for making it
We offered him a 3 year contract. What was Woodward thinking?
Did he not learn from Moyes 6 year deal? Or renewing Mourinho's deal?
Did he not learn from Moyes 6 year deal? Or renewing Mourinho's deal?
Mou won the league Chelsea the year before, plus everyone gets the sack at Chelsea.
Who is good enough then ? Because at the moment the only manager that doesn't fall short is Pep.
The will blame everybody but Ole, they believe in football fairy tales, managers who make fairy tales happen usually get SACKED the next season.
What exactly has he shown that you feel he will be able to or is trying to inplement Fergie's style? His pressers don't count as an answer.
Challenges the players to put in a better performance and tells them theyre playing for their places at the club and this is what they come up with.
But as usual, let's blame the manager, it must be his fault.
But as usual, let's blame the manager, it must be his fault.
We literally let him break the world transfer record, we did back him. Stop this revisionist nonsense. He was a terrible manager for us towards the end. The signs were there when he completely collapsed at Chelsea in his third season.
Fulham beat this lot 
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.I doubt he'd tell them that they're being sold and then start them. We're incompetent but not that stupid.
Presume that’s a joke. Anyway Solskjaer is here to stay but don’t think anything will change with our current board.
He looks well out of his depth it's frightening. Should never have given him the job full time. No wonder why the players were desperate for him to get the job. They're walking all over him.
Jose was out of his depth with this lot, too.
No idea why we're in such a mess, but we are and there's not a manager in the game who can fix this mess.
I still see calls for Poch - but he's also an unknown quantity - he's under very little expectation at Spurs and hasn't had to sort out any real mess. I'd have him lasting a season at best before being fired.
We need to be patient - this isn't Ole's problem. This is the players just downing tools. Time to swing the axe.
Yes. He's not leaving unless he resigns.
We should have waited until the end of the season to hire him full time.
His comments of recent have not helped. Basically saying what Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho said, that they will need two years to change the whole thing. That does not inspire confidence in the players you have.
Looks like the players have lost belief in him and downed the tools.
His comments of recent have not helped. Basically saying what Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho said, that they will need two years to change the whole thing. That does not inspire confidence in the players you have.
Looks like the players have lost belief in him and downed the tools.
Usually for finishing 3rd of 4th, Mourinho literally had them teetering just above the relegation zone. It was a spectacular collapse which indicated his ability to pretty much fully self-destruct.
Why did he make no attacking minded substitutions? Why does he keep faith in shit attackers? It's so bizzare.
don't worry, he'll come out with some cliches like the United way etc in the post match
This team needs a huge rebuild and I don’t think Ole is experienced enough to do that. If we screw up this window, that would mean another 2-3 years of shite.
We should get a DOF in, it’s an absolute necessity. We need to build towards a style of play, it may take years but that’s the only way out.
I got ridiculed by some on here for saying ole may have to go and that he was appointed too early and now look.
Forget fairy tales and legends, get the best people in to do the job!
Forget fairy tales and legends, get the best people in to do the job!
I don't mean literally but the board jumped the gun early because of how much the fans were pushing for it.
He might walk at this rate. This is the lowest point in the last 6 years. Even if he is incharge next season, we need to hire someone to sign the right players. I don't trust Ole's judgement at this point considering his team selections.
Why are people talking about sacking him? That's absolutely mental and stupid to suggest.
By now, people should understand that the players have a big part to play on the position we are in.
No right side, an incompetent defense . Young at right back.... The same CBs Fergie bought for God's sake.
Pogba playing like a diva in midfield, wouldn't surprise me if it's the contract situation.
And I won't even talk about the attack. No RW. Lukaku that can't control a ball if his life depended on it and Martial....
It's time that we let someone that knows the club clear out and get some players that play for the club. Ole knows the club. He can't do worse than previous managers.
By now, people should understand that the players have a big part to play on the position we are in.
No right side, an incompetent defense . Young at right back.... The same CBs Fergie bought for God's sake.
Pogba playing like a diva in midfield, wouldn't surprise me if it's the contract situation.
And I won't even talk about the attack. No RW. Lukaku that can't control a ball if his life depended on it and Martial....
It's time that we let someone that knows the club clear out and get some players that play for the club. Ole knows the club. He can't do worse than previous managers.
Nothing to do now except back him in the summer. Fans need to turn their frustration towards the board and the players.
Pogba and Lukaku would arguably qualify as the former and players like Matic and various others would arguably qualify as the latter.
Its hard to say, we will have to find out next year whether he has what it takes. He has shown quite a bit already this year before this latest dip. We would be in far worse shape had Mourinho stayed this year.
Yep. Plus a good DOF should hopefully ensure that even if Ole proves to be a bad choice the recruitment we do will still be building to something. As opposed to having to rip it all up again if/when Solskjaer does leave.
Only incompetent board would do that. If They only go by what the fans want or happy about then what the feck are They doing exactly? might as well leave the club and make a website to do a poll for every single decision the club has to make. The board and Woodward are jokes, clueless, how many years since Fergie left? how many blunders have They made? and They still haven't learned.
Worst of all, They didn't bring anyone to help Woodward even though They have no idea how to run a club like Manchester United.
Said it when Jose was here. It’s the players.
You can’t make a silk purse out of Phil fecking Jones.
You can’t make a silk purse out of Phil fecking Jones.
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Jose sitting at home
Who comes on? Lingard and Sanchez?
The issue is the decision not to wait. With Ole as temporary manager, the team were running, they were working, and they were starting to click.
Two things:-
1) Since his permanent appointment, a lot of those same players have downed tools again.
2) Ole's tactics have actually become more cautious and less effective the longer he's been at the club. When he arrived, he said Rashford was his centre forward, and he put Pogba 20 yards further up the pitch.
Unsurprisingly, they looked threatening and Pogba was winning games on his own within 60 minutes. I'm not sure why the team set-up has changed, when that approach was clearly working so well.
Two things:-
1) Since his permanent appointment, a lot of those same players have downed tools again.
2) Ole's tactics have actually become more cautious and less effective the longer he's been at the club. When he arrived, he said Rashford was his centre forward, and he put Pogba 20 yards further up the pitch.
Unsurprisingly, they looked threatening and Pogba was winning games on his own within 60 minutes. I'm not sure why the team set-up has changed, when that approach was clearly working so well.
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