I never said Chelsea 2012 was a great side (but still mostly the same 2007-2010 squad, great players who managed to eventually win the UCL). I'm just sayin' Madrid 16 and 18 were even worse-even luckier.
Not at all. Chelsea 2012 was the definition of a fluke. IMO there hasn't been a luckier win of a big tournament. That team was not only way past his peak but also poorly coached. Individually they weren't up with the other winners either. If I were to make a list, I'd probably go with this:
Barca 2011
Barca 2015
Bayern 2013
Madrid 2017
Madrid 2016
Inter 2010
Madrid 2014
Madrid 2018
Chelsea 2012
I agree that it's not the quality of their title wins that made Madrid special but their consistency. However, they were still a great team, just not all conquering. But a team featuring Ramos, Marcelo, Varane, Modric, Kroos, Casemiro, Isco and Bale and a certain Cristiano Ronaldo is the third best squad this competition has seen in the last decade. The only reason they aren't the best is that Messi, Neymar and Suarez // Messi, Iniesta and Xavi is even better than that, especially when coached by Guardiola.