Pogba apologises to fans after Cardiff

[Loublaze]

Don’t be dumb. You know exactly what I mean.

This. Fans are usually more accepting of or have more time for players who resemble them or come from similar backgrounds/cultures. I think players of color have generally fared better in the London clubs. The exception to this could be latin players who are 'positively' stereotyped. This is about your Gerrard comment.

 

[devilish]

That's where we disagree.

I said previously I'll take a hard working, workaholic midfield that never stops running, pressing and moving over a trio of talented lazy midfielder. Of course it's better to have a midfield combining both though, but I have to choose, I know what I'm choosing and which will have better chance to succeed especially in England.

But it's matters of opinions I guess.

What can I say? I look forward when the likes of Bolton and Stoke win the treble.

 

[el3mel]

What can I say? I look forward when the likes of Bolton and Stoke win the treble.

You don't have to. Just look at Liverpool midfield and you'll get your answer.

 

[Patrick08]

We're going in circles here. The 'one team league' reached the CL final in numerous occasions with Pogba in the team.

Doesnt change the fact the level of competition is never high enough in the league and probably never face a top quality team until quarters itself.

 

[Thebaldingbob]

Time we got shot of this waste of space. Should never have bought him back.
Lazy Prima Donna!

 

[devilish]

You don't have to. Just look at Liverpool midfield and you'll get your answer.

I look forward when players like Henderson, Dier and co win the world cup then

 

[el3mel]

I look forward when players like Henderson, Dier and co win the world cup then

Giroud won the world cup with France too and he was their main striker.

 

[devilish]

Doesnt change the fact the level of competition is never high enough in the league and probably never face a top quality team until quarters itself.

this is the sort of arrogance I used to face from Serie A fans when United used to win league titles during the 90s. That smirk was wiped off the moment we met them during the treble season. Just because a league might not be at its peak competitive wise that doesn't mean that the team itself isn't great. Most leagues are dominated by 1 or 2 squad max. Germany (Bayern), Spain (Barca and Real), Italy (currently Juventus), France (PSG), Holland (Ajax). Most of these teams can beat any team in the EPL

 

[Adnan]

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[devilish]

Giroud won the world cup with France too and he was their main striker.

He's the first name he pops in my mind when I remember France's WC win team

 

[Patrick08]

I look forward when players like Henderson, Dier and co win the world cup then

By the way pogba didn't win the world cup playing as an attacking midfielder. He was disciplined for 2 months as a deep plying holding midfielder cum box to box player which even Jose mourinho pointed about.

What ever we criticise him of that he never does he did it in the world cup and it was a the effort why they won it where pogba was disciplined enough to defend. He didn't win it with goals and assists stats but with control and still he never does that at club level.

 

[Rado_N]

That bloke shouting abuse at Pogba is a shameful twat.

 

[el3mel]

He's the first name he pops in my mind when I remember France's WC win team

Ok but that changes really nothing in what we're talking about. I'll take Liverpool midfield over ours any time any day. No problem if you feel free to disagree.

 

[devilish]

By the way pogba didn't win the world cup playing as an attacking midfielder. He was disciplined for 2 months as a deep plying holding midfielder cum box to box player which even Jose mourinho pointed about.

What ever we criticise him of that he never does he did it in the world cup and it was a the effort why they won it where pogba was disciplined enough to defend. He didn't win it with goals and assists stats but with control and still he never does that at club level.

I suspect he was better players playing with him with France then he does with us.

And I repeat, Pogba played under two workrate freaks (Allegri and Conte) and they were happy with his attitude. One should be asking why its happening with United. Maybe we've got shit managers or is it the case we've got a shit side?

 

[devilish]

Ok but that changes really nothing in what we're talking about. I'll take Liverpool midfield over ours any time any day. No problem if you feel free to disagree.

I'd love to see Henderson and co doing as well as they are doing with Liverpool in a team surrounded by Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Welbeck MK2 and Young.

 

[BlueHaze]

That bloke shouting abuse at Pogba is a shameful twat.

Agree.

 

[el3mel]

I'd love to see Henderson and co doing as well as they are doing with Liverpool in a team surrounded by Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Welbeck MK2 and Young.

They'll do their job as a workaholic midfield at least.

 

[Moriarty]

I suspect he was better players playing with him with France then he does with us.

A truly great player brings out the best of, and inspires the players around him who are lesser mortals. I haven't seen Paul do too much of that this season.

 

[Ibrahimorich]

So that's why England keeps winning World cups and Euros because of workrate? I also doubt that you remember how Cantona used to play. He wasn't very hardworking either.

Cantona played in an era where players still drank and smoked regularly. It's hardly a fair comparison. We just don't have the platform to support a luxury player.

 

[Canagel]

I'd love to see Henderson and co doing as well as they are doing with Liverpool in a team surrounded by Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Welbeck MK2 and Young.

The thing is they will agree with you these players is crap but slate Pogba at the same time for not working hard like them ignoring his producing. If he had been like the other workhalic midfielders of the league I dread to think where we'll have ended this year.

 

[Patrick08]

this is the sort of arrogance I used to face from Serie A fans when United used to win league titles during the 90s. That smirk was wiped off the moment we met them during the treble season. Just because a league might not be at its peak competitive wise that doesn't mean that the team itself isn't great. Most leagues are dominated by 1 or 2 squad max. Germany (Bayern), Spain (Barca and Real), Italy (currently Juventus), France (PSG), Holland (Ajax). Most of these teams can beat any team in the EPL

Won the title what 8 times a row? Without even being challenged? Other clubs are literally skint broke to put up a challenging team together, and you call it competitive?

 

[devilish]

They'll do their job as a workaholic midfield at least.

as said I look forward to see Stoke win the treble and to see England win the WC.

 

[devilish]

Won the title what 8 times a row? Without even being challenged? Other clubs are literally skint broke to put up a challenging team together, and you call it competitive?

The EPL was pretty much like that up until Wenger appeared into scene. Also I am not talking about competitiveness I am talking about the team not being crap which is different. Most leagues have 1 max 2 competitors in it. That doesn't make the winner a crap side.

 

[devilish]

Cantona played in an era where players still drank and smoked regularly. It's hardly a fair comparison. We just don't have the platform to support a luxury player.

He mentioned Cantona. Not me. Also note that the likes of Ince and Keane played in that era as well and they were hardwork freaks.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Ander Herrera in a crucial part of the season, went public with contract negotiations with PSG, his form at the same time dipped whilst we were fighting for top4. He is a trier though and his heart bleeds red. Event though he left the club for the oil club.... Doesn't get any abuse from fans they want him to be captain.

Contrast that to Pogba

Pogba who spoke about Real Madrid while on international duty. Then his form dipped just as we were fighting for top 4. That Pogba?

 

[Patrick08]

The thing is they will agree with you these players is crap but slate Pogba at the same time for not working hard like them ignoring his producing. If he had been like the other workhalic midfielders of the league I dread to think where we'll have ended this year.

No one ignores his producing, what pogba ignores is control positioning and defending. He can produce all he like, he is never winning big with this attitude in this league and this club as well.

 

[devilish]

A truly great player brings out the best of, and inspires the players around him who are lesser mortals. I haven't seen Paul do too much of that this season.

Good luck playing Scholes among this tripe and expect him to win the league. The only guy whom I can think of who could do it is Diego Armando Maradona and even Napoli of the time had better players then this shit.

 

[Florida Man]

Good luck playing Scholes among this tripe and expect him to win the league. The only guy whom I can think of who could do it is Diego Armando Maradona and even Napoli of the time had better players then this shit.

I've been reading your posts and your logic sucks ass.

 

[Ibrahimorich]

He mentioned Cantona. Not me. Also note that the likes of Ince and Keane played in that era as well and they were hardwork freaks.

Which enabled the less hard working Cantona to flourish. Football was a different game in the 90s. The difference with Pogba is that he's the biggest character in our dressing room. At Juve he wasn't. He had to fit to their ethos rather than driving it himself.

 

[Patrick08]

Good luck playing Scholes among this tripe and expect him to win the league. The only guy whom I can think of who could do it is Diego Armando Maradona and even Napoli of the time had better players then this shit.

Oh he did play with this tripe and won the league.

 

[RedPed]

All the fecking muppets who keep giving Pogba abuse while other players like Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Lukaku, Matic etc. get a free pass should all do one. There should have been other players facing the crowd instead of/as well as him.

He shouldn't have been the one apologizing out there today. They should be careful what they wish for. Fecking disgraceful.

 

[youmeletsfly]

I'd love to see Henderson and co doing as well as they are doing with Liverpool in a team surrounded by Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Welbeck MK2 and Young.

If only they'd realize where our issues are.
We literally have:
- Shaw + the likes of Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Tony, Young as fecking defenders. Other than Smalling none of them would start for Everton, with Shaw being the exception.
- Paul, Matic, Scott, Andreas, Fred and a few youngsters. The only two that would normally start games in the EPL are Paul, Matic(Everton), Fred.
- Lingz, Martial, Rom, Rashford, Mata. Other than Martial who could start at Arsenal, none of them would start at City, Lpool, Spurs or Chelsea. (3-4 years ago Tony, Rash and Rom would've had a chance, but you can't see them spearheading teams like City, Spurs and Lpool these days, not even fecking close).

So we kinda have DDG, Paul, Fred, Lindelof and Shaw, the only semi consistent players in a team that should, at least, challenge for top 4. Fred is a question, Paul might leave, Tony/Rashford/Rom are not UTD quality and should be bench options.
If you sit on the above you'll kinda understand why not even Messi would look good in this team and that the job ahead is massive. Pogba should not be apologizing for playing with shit players even if he's decent only for half a season. The club should be apologizing for having the quality standards of a siberian prison.

 

[Patrick08]

All the fecking muppets who keep giving Pogba abuse while other players like Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Lukaku, Matic etc. get a free pass should all do one. There should have been other players facing the crowd instead of/as well as him.

He shouldn't have been the one apologizing out there today. They should be careful what they wish for. Fecking disgraceful.

Who says they get a free pass?

 

[Mainoldo]

This. Fans are usually more accepting of or have more time for players who resemble them or come from similar backgrounds/cultures. I think players of color have generally fared better in the London clubs. The exception to this could be latin players who are 'positively' stereotyped. This is about your Gerrard comment.

Very true. I don’t know why they feel the need to lie about it. When you repeat words like F off with your instagram and get out of our club. Just shows someone out of touch with an individual. London and Birmingham are a lot more multicultural. Today’s youth culture is a black culture which they associate with colour not realising it’s footballs new culture. This goes for all races in England with Pogba spending a lot of time in this country. However it’s seen as negative because as I said the habits are or black people.

 

[Eyepopper]

All the fecking muppets who keep giving Pogba abuse while other players like Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Lukaku, Matic etc. get a free pass should all do one. .

They get a free pass?

Have you actually read the threads about them on here?

 

[GiddyUp]

If these people have problem with black people why would it matter to them whether he was English or not?

Exactly, half the squad are black so to bring race in to it defend Pogba is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Also, people in the Pogba threads asking why no one gives the same stick to any of our other under performing shite footballers obviously haven't been paying attention. Not one player has evaded the deserved criticism on the caf. They have all been fecking shite this season and if Paul Pogba and his schoolgirl fans want our respect and adulation then maybe he should stop fecking around like he's playing 5 a side street ball.
Right now the club and supporters need the Pogba from the world cup but all we are getting is stupid handshakes/dances, pathetic penalty run ups and abject performances. He and a few more are at the center of a culture of immaturity and misplaced priorities that is suffocating us.
It's time for a cleansing, everyone can see that but the people at the club who write the checks value a social media presence over an effective footballing strategy which can easily distort a players sense of himself, you see that with Lingard and Rashford right now.
They really should be ashamed of this season but reading and watching all the apologies today tells me they aren't. All this ready for next season bullshit is expected from these average players but they cant even motivate themselves. They will let Ole down again and again until he is sacked or it's time for a contract renewal. They are robbing this club just as much as the Glazers.

 

[Patrick08]

I'd love to see Henderson and co doing as well as they are doing with Liverpool in a team surrounded by Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Welbeck MK2 and Young.

Forget about that, did pogba turn up when facing Barcelona while fred and mctominay dominating Barcelona at home and giving all the platform needed for pogba to thirst forward and do the damage?

 

[Patrick08]

Exactly, half the squad are black so to bring race in to it defend Pogba is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Also, people in the Pogba threads asking why no one gives the same stick to any of our other under performing shite footballers obviously haven't been paying attention. Not one player has evaded the deserved criticism on the caf. They have all been fecking shite this season and if Paul Pogba and his schoolgirl fans want our respect and adulation then maybe he should stop fecking around like he's playing 5 a side street ball.
Right now the club and supporters need the Pogba from the world cup but all we are getting is stupid handshakes/dances, pathetic penalty run ups and abject performances. He and a few more are at the center of a culture of immaturity and misplaced priorities that is suffocating us.
It's time for a cleansing, everyone can see that but the people at the club who write the checks value a social media presence over an effective footballing strategy which can easily distort a players sense of himself, you see that with Lingard and Rashford right now.
They really should be ashamed of this season but reading and watching all the apologies today tells me they aren't. All this ready for next season bullshit is expected from these average players but they cant even motivate themselves. They will let Ole down again and again until he is sacked or it's time for a contract renewal. They are robbing this club just as much as the Glazers.

True.

 

[Canagel]

No one ignores his producing, what pogba ignores is control positioning and defending. He can produce all he like, he is never winning big with this attitude in this league and this club as well.

No the lack of producing is why we're 30+ points away from 1st place. Not because Pogba failed to defend.
It's nonsensical to blame the one man producing.

 

[RedPed]

Who says they get a free pass?

They get a free pass?

Have you actually read the threads about them on here?

Pogba gets twice as much abuse/attention as anybody else. He's an easy target. Yeah the others get stick but apart from Young, nowhere near as much. People still think Smalling's a world beater ffs!

He shouldn't have been getting that from that idiot in the crowd today. It looked embarassing.