But its not just Messi fans saying it. Leo has been routinely been labelled as a bad performer in all 4 matches by virtually all media reports. This alternate reality whereby he is playing better than before, despite all evidence to contrary, is all one word, delusion. What chance of a reasonable discussion on here when some cant even see the wood from the trees?
It’s just a sly, backhanded way of trying to slate Messi as much as humanly possible. ”Silly Messi stayed out of the way, so therefore this was a great performance by him. He was also bad of course, but that’s just who Messi is. Plain old bad Messi.”
I only watched the first two games and he had 2 bad performances.
He wasnt much better in his next 2 games.
I don't know if this post has any hidden intention to suggest that CR is better, just keep in mind that LVG called Messi the "best player in the world" and Pep called him the "best player ever - by far"
Cruyff never won a WC but was head and shouders above every other player in the 74 WC. The others you mentioned are greats, but a level below the likes of a Cruyff.
Holland were a goal up in the final and were robbed of a blatant penalty. Anyway, the important thing is, as an indvidual, Cruyff transferred his brilliant club level to the biggest stage of all, as did Pele, Maradona and a few others. Messi and CR7 simply were never able to do that, so though they are definately alltime greats, they should be rated a level below the very top level alltime greats.
Most successful players vs best at their peaks. Well, as you pointed, if it's about tophies then Maradoona is a nomark. If it's genius and greatest at their peaks, Maradona is another who beats CR7 by a country mile! Messi and CR7 are very lucky to have what previous generations never had - laws and refs giving them maximum protection from thugs trying to cripple them week in week out. In Spain, refs stood by and watched Maradona being hacked down every game until he eventually suffered a broken leg after yet another brutal tackle/assult. One can imagine CR dealing with that every game. But,even so, Maradona became the first Barca player to ever be given a standing ovation by RM fans. Thats how great he was. Sadly, Diego got into Coke and fell out with Barca's owners. Went to Napoli and took them to the title for the first time ever and becoming the first club from the south to win it. After being kicked allover the shop in the 82 WC, he dominated the 86 WC. Without Maradona, that Argentina side would never have got past England let alone win the WC. Coke addiction followed and he declined after that. But a true genius of the game!
Fair enough, but people will argue that Ronaldo at least win a trophy with his country. Of course Cruijff's 74 contribution is infinitely greater than what Messi and Ronaldo have done for their countries combined, but it's still no cups in the end.
Dont you know man? This is by far the best version of Messi. Not his brutally fast, unstoppable RW version, not his false 9 ultra clinical dribble past everyone and break every scoring record version either, and certainly not his GOAT playmaker/brutal scorer/GOAT free kicks version of him of the last years.
Youre right. But dont you see, this new Messi for Argentina is actually good for the team. Theyre no longer the Messi dependent team of old (you know, the one that got to 4 finals in 8 tournaments), theyre much more balanced and therefore a better team. You can see this from their stellar displays at this years Copa. If they carry on like this, they might even bd favourites for WC 22.
Im wondering if we will see Barcelona take this same approach next season, now that we have discovered the absolute best version of Messi. Its not the scores more, assists more, creates more chances than anybody else in Europe version, its the complete opposite actually.
, literally makes absolutely 0 sense.It really is unbelievable. I think Peyroteo really believes what he says. I wonder if the other Cristiano fans on here also think the same. If so, there is no hope with this thread.Im wondering if we will see Barcelona take this same approach next season, now that we have discovered the absolute best version of Messi. Its not the scores more, assists more, creates more chances than anybody else in Europe version, its the complete opposite actually.
Jesuschrist i cant keep this up anymore
Individually he is not at his best, but to be fair one could argue Argentina is better off moving away from their over reliance of Messi, which doesn’t work well in recent years.
Youve just seen 4 games of non reliance on Leo Messi. How did Argentina look?
Lolz
Incredible that. Like I said many times Ronaldo is a different beast
Good player plays better when surrounded by better players shocker...
But the GOAT is supposed to make players around him look good or the narrative changes when he plays for NT?
Yea, because he apparently doesn’t play for Argentina but Nigeria instead
The people who think Argentina are actually a good team either think football is played on paper or base their opinions on FIFA.
So how come Ronaldo is the same player for club and country all while playing for a worse team a MAJORITY of his national team career?
What narrative?
And the people who think Argentina are a subpar team either think football success doesn’t mean needing quality players or base their opinions off emotions.
He's done it once I am sure he would do it again.
He literally performs worse for Portugal...
Nah, it's the bar he's set for himself. He was actually great, you know - the rest of the players make him look bad.
There's a few factors.
