As I said, make no promises, if he is not the person who is responsible for selling them. Other big managers go wild and pick names that they don't want at their team like Zidane and Conte did. Sure I will not support such gestures. But he should not change opinions in few months because the fans will remember.
Ole's Press Conference | 05:30 BST
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Those comments about Pogs I agree with but try posting that on a match day last season and you would have needed a fire suit. You see that's the point, people will moan about your comment as they don't share it, doesn't make them or you a lesser fan. Like I said elsewhere, the reason Ole is there and Jose is partly cause those loud fans contributed to getting him the sack, I don't understand why Ole would then come out and appear to polarise himself from any fan. His comments are applicable to all fans maybe including yourself about how you feel about Pogs. Would be easier to have said nothing than potentially pointing the finger at everybody and that's why it felt (to me) that there was another agenda behind it as it was so out of character for him. Wasn't easier for him just to have said nothing....was very strange.
"The loudest fans are not the best fans" while I don't have a problem with that sentiment, I also don't agree with it.
The loudest fans were mostly among those who wanted Moyes out.
The loudest fans were mostly among those who wanted Moyes out.
So nice to see him address some of the fake fans, we need them to shut the feck up.
Hilarious that people still hold stock in what's said in press conferences
It's all hot air until I see results on the pitch.
It's all hot air until I see results on the pitch.
So our fans are at fault for our struggles post Fergie?
They are at fault for playing tumescent stuff, for employing wrong managers, for investing in wrong players, for not having a proper structure or clear style on the pitch?
The vocal ones are obviously the ones that stand in the way - those who like to have a DoF and not Woodward to puppeteer every footballing matters, regardless of him not having a clue about the sport, only the business side.
Those who are vocal against the owners and how the club is ran into mediocrity.
It's obvious that some people want to lower the standards and turn those fans into puppets and yes men, just like our entire footballing staff is at the moment - from top to bottom.
Of course for Glazers and Ed everything will be rosy as they reap the profit from all those fans that create the inconvenience with their high expectations.
Good presser overall. In fairness though, calling out the fan base isn’t the wisest move right now on the back of how last season ended and the staggering amount of work that’s still ahead in this window. If transfer activity doesn’t pick up and he gets off to a bad start next season he’s totally fecked, he really needs the fans on his side. Of course when it went tits up after the PSG triumph last season, he felt some heat from the fan base and the media but remember we got thrashed 4-0 to Everton, beat twice by Wolves had lost to a relegated side on the final day to top it all off. Not sure how you can be completely positive having witnessed all of that.
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So therefore, you want him to say "the squad is fine" every time? He said he wanted big changes in the Summer and the Woodward hasn't delivered. He said he wanted players to be sold, Woodward hasn't delivered one sale. I'm not really sure why the finger of blame should be pointed at Ole for giving his intention? It wasn't like Ole said this a week or a few weeks ago, this was a few months ago.
At this point, he's been failed by Woodward, he has to make do of a shit situation by not alienating the players he clearly wants gone.
I'm struggling to understand how any of this is Oles fault. He's the Manager, he's expressed his opinion on what needs to happen with the squad rebuild in public to put pressure on Woodward and nothing has changed. Surely thats a huge failing on Woodwards part and Ole is now trying to make good of a shit situation. It sounds like you still want him to say "get rid of the deadwood"?
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Well Asperger's syndrome is a milder form of Autism, which my younger brother has. So anyone trying to take the p!ss out of you or someone with similar issues can go burn in hell as far as I'm concerned!Cheers mate. Wish they were all as considerate as you
....and Jose which ironically is why Ole has the job due to those so called loudest fans. Also the quietest fans aren't the best either as they would sooner be apathetic from behind their keyboards. I don't agree with all the fans all the time in the same way I don't agree with everyone all the time either but I do believe fans have the right to have an opinion and not only because I agree with it. Ole might be better focusing on the task at hand as it might be those loud fans that keep him in a job when things get inevitably difficult this season.....
They(the moaning fans) should've stood by Moyes until the very end, weren't we instructed like that from the off?
We should've never doubted or management and only clap and cheer, despite what is happening both in our management and on the pitch, which was obvious for any footballing person that was not the right way.
It's like you are running a multi billion corporation like Yahoo and things begin to go south, so what do you do? Fire your clients of course because they are creating inconvenience expecting the same the standards those before you set just a decade ago. How dare they want to keep being successful, spoiled brats all of them.
You haven't achieved jack shit in Ole's case and just drove the team into the worst run of the club in the last 50 years and what do you do? Call out those who subsidize the business? That's a bit rich.
Then he should stick to his words and not change opinions to protect Ed Woodward. Look I have no problem of him keeping every single player. But in december, if he is 6th again he has only himself to blame, no matter what he say today, because at the end of the day he is the main man. The fans are calling for Ed/Glazers removal for years i every possible way, they cant do more.
I don’t think he has made a negative comment about the fans. He said everyone he’s met has always been positive. His actual comment was “the loudest ones are not the greatest...they’re not the best” as if he was going to say “representation of the club” or something to that effect after both “greatest” and “best” . Think some of it is the fact that, despite his very good English, he still occasionally has times where he doesn’t quite give the correct meaning to what he says. The other part is that even if he did mean it in exactly how it sounded, he’s not wrong.
we criticise him all the time about everything he says in a public domain. We, as fans, also say things on here and through social media in the public domain. If he calls us out then we should be able to take it the same way that he does!
Lastly, these comments are literally only being spoken about to any great negativity on here - it’s largely being swept up amongst the Pogba/transfer quotes elsewhere so it’s clear that it’s not a very important thing to be discussing. Bit like the Pogba/Jesse apparent ‘fight’ or one Journalist speculating that Fred is getting married.
Where did I make any blanket statements about non-matchgoing fans? You said Ole was disrespecting most of the fan base when he downplays those screeching the loudest, I mentioned match-going fans because you know those people care and try to support the club, I didn’t say they had a monopoly on that. In fact, I asked you a question that implies that I reckon way less than our 650+ mill are of the same mind as those who shout the loudest.
You need to ask yourself whether you can be justified in how you read between the lines. If you’re wondering whether I’m implying something, ask, but I sure as shit did not explicitly say what you think I said.
That’s not a put-down btw. I learned that the slow and hard way myself. Communication is messy, and you’ll want to limit your assumptions.
They shouldn't. We have enough success over the last 2 decades. Now we should let others have some whilst we peacefully sit in the corner. It's all rosy right, why are we even worried? Get those VHS tapes in and go with the flow.
Great press conference from Ole. Especially loved him saying we won't be held hostage for ludicrous sums by clubs.
I'm waiting for the same ones who always argue to back the manager regardless to turn on him for his comments about the more toxic elements of the fanbase and his passionate defense of the fanbases enemy/boogieman du jour, Pogba
I'm waiting for the same ones who always argue to back the manager regardless to turn on him for his comments about the more toxic elements of the fanbase and his passionate defense of the fanbases enemy/boogieman du jour, Pogba
Talk your talk Ole, being loudest doesnt mean you are best fan, if you wanna be the best fan of United of today as a whole, put pair of socks in your mouth, bend over and take it.
It's a play towards his squad. Right now a lot of fans are being extremely vocal about certain players - discontent among our support (many of whom are acting in such a way it seems to me they've forgotten what the word "support" actually means) is surreal at times - and that can be devastating in terms of player morale. He needs his team to know that he's got their backs - that they're in this together - and also that the ones screaming the loudest aren't representative of everyone and that - in fact - the better part of our fanbase is more mature.
And I agree with this approach. When faced with this dilemma - it's smarter to alienate a few disgruntled fans (who are completely spazzing out causing more harm than good anyways) than to alienate the very players who's performances we all rely on.
This will also decrease the risk of his players turning disheartened and underperforming - thus decrease the risk of him ending up in a situation where his job is dependent on the fans rallying behind him to begin with - so even from his perspective it's the right move.
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Probably the most positive Ole could have been given the circumstances. Didn't strike me as a yes man but he hardly filled me with confidence.
He started off saying that there was a lot of transfer speculation about all.... Quickly changed to, most of our players then finished off saying not one club has put a bid in about any of our players. Sounds to me like a subliminal message about his end of season presser when he said there would be players that won't be part of Manchester United next season. In other words it's not my fault if I can't shift the deadwood because they're shite and no one wants to buy them.
Couple of things I didn't like. His comments about not over paying are words straight from Woodwards mouth. Once again not Oles fault but until the club realise we do have to overpay because there's no other incentive for top players to come here we'll always be in the same boat. Take Maquire as an example. If Leicester want 75m but we are only offering 70 then for the extra 5m we are cutting out own throat if he's seen as someone who can be a big improvement on our defence (and he is)
I can just imagine the Bruno negotiations between the 2 clubs. Sporting want 70, Woodward offers 30 rising a couple of million each day. We then reach 67m then pull out because he's seen as too expensive.
The Pogba comments are understandable but the club is showing a lot more respect for Pogba than he is towards the club.
Finally having a go at the fans is way out of line. I understand football isn't a sport anymore but a business but having a go at our own fans is a long slippery slope to nowhere. If Mou or even LVG said something like that they would of been crucified.
He started off saying that there was a lot of transfer speculation about all.... Quickly changed to, most of our players then finished off saying not one club has put a bid in about any of our players. Sounds to me like a subliminal message about his end of season presser when he said there would be players that won't be part of Manchester United next season. In other words it's not my fault if I can't shift the deadwood because they're shite and no one wants to buy them.
Couple of things I didn't like. His comments about not over paying are words straight from Woodwards mouth. Once again not Oles fault but until the club realise we do have to overpay because there's no other incentive for top players to come here we'll always be in the same boat. Take Maquire as an example. If Leicester want 75m but we are only offering 70 then for the extra 5m we are cutting out own throat if he's seen as someone who can be a big improvement on our defence (and he is)
I can just imagine the Bruno negotiations between the 2 clubs. Sporting want 70, Woodward offers 30 rising a couple of million each day. We then reach 67m then pull out because he's seen as too expensive.
The Pogba comments are understandable but the club is showing a lot more respect for Pogba than he is towards the club.
Finally having a go at the fans is way out of line. I understand football isn't a sport anymore but a business but having a go at our own fans is a long slippery slope to nowhere. If Mou or even LVG said something like that they would of been crucified.
You really are a mess aren’t you? I can’t what it would be like living with your mindset. Who says you care? It’s a discussion forum, people come here to, you know, discuss things? If you simply want to whine and bark whenever someone infers your incessant ramblings are over the top, you might be in the wrong place.The comment about the fans sounded like it was orchestrated and misplaced as it could be interpreted in many ways. I guess Ole has always been a fan favourite and to polarise the fans because of their views is something only a manager with currency can do. The irony is the only currency Ole has at present is his relationship with all the fans so why create a problem with them by calling some of them out? In a strange way it was more of a typical Jose comment than an Ole one....
If those players are so fragile that they cant work well under criticism, then they should never be in here in this gigantic club like Manchester united in the first place, they should take a look how other big teams fans set the standards. Those players in other teams like Madrid, Barcelona etc would have got much more shit than what they are getting in united.
He didn't back out of that - we have had NO offers for our players. What is he supposed to do, loan some clubs some money to buy our players?
But he's not just protecting Ed Woodward. He's protecting the squad morale by not alienating several players in the squad that he clearly wants sold and given we'd have no replacements for them he can't just feck them off to the reserves can he? He's looking at the bigger picture. In an ideal world Ole would storm into the presser and say "Woodward has let me down, players I want sold are still here and i've not had the reinforcements that club clearly needs!" but that would not only seal his own fate but also damage club morale yet further.
If Jose was here, he'd have bitched and complained but that's precisely the attitude that you said yourself just a few posts ago that you were happy to see shot of. What it boils down to is clearly Ole has little faith that Woodward is going to deliver what he asked and so now has to make do with what he's got.
As for the bolded point, I think thats utter shite. If we go into the Season with only James and AWB as our players in. Then it is 100% the fault of the Glazers and Woodward if we crash and burn again this Season.
I agree, but what I don’t get is why we’re offering them new contracts. Fair enough if you can’t shift them on those wages, but you’d just release them when the deal runs out. Why we’re extending the likes of Phil Jones and Jesse Lingard I have no idea. It’s not like they’ve done anything to earn it.
Hes calling out the fans that talk the most rubbish and constantly give in to hysteria . You only have to look at all the knee jerk threads we get here to see where he us coming from and he is exactly right.
Before Ronaldo wanted out he helped us win 3 PL's in a row, a CL, league cup, Fa Cup, Club World Cup, scored 120+ goals. Agreed respectfully with SAF to give us one more year, Pogba hasn't done shite in comparison, if he had then fans wouldn't feel as insulted.
Do I want a manager who is openly criticizing the owners on his first proper pre season presser ??? Absolutely no. Sorry had enough of that with Mourhinio.
As fans we are frustrated as we want the dead wood out, new blood in. What purpose does it serve for Ole to come out and say he is NOT getting any backing when we have zero clue on what is being worked on behind the scenes. We don't know what deals if Pogba is going, Lukaku is going, Bruno incoming or what. It could be some deals will be signed sealed and delivered on Friday, could be as soon as they touch back in the UK
Reports are contradictory and in most cases not worth a fig.
And that's exactly what I am doing. Instead you keep criticising me instead of staying on topic. Don't we have rules about that or are you exempt from such rules?
Can only assume they're protecting assets. If we did the same thing with all of our deadwood we'd probably be letting 60/70million go for nothing. So they sign up the players on new deals hoping to get transfer bids in allowing them to flog them off. Which is bad practise ultimately. Rojo is on 80k a week, so in a season he gets 4.1million. Since he signed the new deal he's played 211 minutes in the Premier League so every minute he's played has cost us £19,716.
But if we managed to flog him for 15m we'd still be in pocket. What it might tell us is that we're trying to penny pinch right now rather than not caring too much in the past and flogging off deadwood for whatever bid came in. Now we're trying to maximise the valuation of the players.
Can you 2 move that drivel somewhere else, this thread aint for it.
Whining and barking? No argument there. What, rules against discussion? I can’t decide whether you’re a WUM or just a oppo fan, or both.
Rojo is much more than that. When Shaw signed contract, Times reported he overtook Rojo as highest paid defender at ManUtd. Rojo signed extension and he is on more than 100K.Can only assume they're protecting assets. If we did the same thing with all of our deadwood we'd probably be letting 60/70million go for nothing. So they sign up the players on new deals hoping to get transfer bids in allowing them to flog them off. Which is bad practise ultimately. Rojo is on 80k a week, so in a season he gets 4.1million. Since he signed the new deal he's played 211 minutes in the Premier League so every minute he's played has cost us £19,716.
But if we managed to flog him for 15m we'd still be in pocket. What it might tell us is that we're trying to penny pinch right now rather than not caring too much in the past and flogging off deadwood for whatever bid came in. Now we're trying to maximise the valuation of the players.
I took it from here: https://www.totalsportek.com/money/manchester-united-player-salaries/
It's a little out of date though.
@UnitedSofa like I said.....
You're exactly the type I was talking about.