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Pogba Future
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
On thing I would have problem with cash only is that I don't think Woody would invest it all back into the transfer kitty. Do you think he would invest it all back in?
No chance. He is a pennypincher and still trying to hold the 35million euro clause for Fernandes.
Before yesterday the Itk's and in general all "twitter Madrid" was very optimistic with 135 + 15 but apparently Manchester remains at 180, pressing a lot with the bonuses / extras. It is said that there is agreement with Madrid, 14net and 8 for Raiola
I feel the same which is quite sad and that is the reason I would like to take Casemiro and £80 million. Although I doubt he would want to come to us at the moment.
Last I heard was 90million plus Ceballos. This was rejected.
Thanks for letting me know I was unaware of this and also don't know much about Ceballos. I've read some posters on here seem to rate him highly though. Do you know much about what Cabellos is like please?
I think its the 180m euros figure of the Marca article converted into sterling
Thanks for letting me know mate
This is absolutely pathetic and damning. Anyone agree? Nearly spat out my coffee when i saw it.
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The reality is that he, just like any other top player, needs a functional team around him. All these excuses you are hearing are different people picking out different aspects of us not having a functional team and pointing to that particular aspect as what he needs. Some of these excuses have some grounding in fact and there can be some finetuning, but ultimately our entire team as a whole has not been functional so not one player has performed consistently.
Every player needs that. It's why every single one of our attacking players have been inconsistent at best, and outright poor in some cases. It's why every single one of our midfielders have been inconsistent at best, and outright poor for others. And every one of our defenders have been the same as well. Pogba is no different in that regard than anyone else in our team, and indeed he has had more good periods than almost anybody else. Still inconsistent as all hell and he has to take some blame for that himself, but sadly he's still been better than most.
Messi has a high percentage of walking time doesn't he? But he also is feckin Messi. Until Paul is at his level I don't see any single excuse for it.
Let him go to Madrid. Their fans get a lot of hate for being so hard on their players but its better than bending over backwards with excuses for a player that has openly talked about leaving the club, saying the challenge is complete after seasons like last.
Imagine being part of a midfield that consisted of Pirlo and Marchisio...and then part of a midfield that consisted of Kante and Matuidi...and then part of a midfield that rotated between Matic, Herrera, Fred and McTominay.
Surrounded by class, he can be class.
Surrounded by dross, what can we expect?
He's not captain material and he is not one to roll up his sleeves and drag the team back into a game.
When the team is flying high, so is he.
But that's not what United need.
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Waiting for Ole to receive abuse from the fans for pointing out the obvious about a media driven agenda
It is TRUE though that the MEDIA has a propaganda vs Pogba and Utd. First Moyes, then Rooney and LVG, then Jose, Jose v Pogba. Now that there is a likeable manager it is Pogba, if Pogba leaves then I am sure they will pick up on Rashfotr.
Pogba is one of the reason we aren't a functioning team and excluding him from the blame doesn't make any kind of sense. Thanks to his flaws he needs to too many conditioning and too many factors to perform and if one is absent he underperforms or performs inconsistently. You can't build a team like that.
Pogba needs to play in a certain tactical setup, in a certain position, with certain kind of midfielders beside him to cover for his defensive non existence. He also needs to the attack to move in a certain way and the manager to play a specific style. That is too fecking much and restricts the way any manager will want to play because trying any tactical adjustment or modification will result in an inconsistent Pogba. You can't play with double pivot even if it suits the rest of the entire team because it will result in having a passenger in the midfield in defense etc. How are you going to build a functional team that way?
The problem is Pogba himself has enough qualities to cover for his flaws instead of adjusting the entire team to cover for it. He has enough physique, power and pace to do defensive work, play in double pivot and do the offensive work. He isn't doing it because he doesn't want to. He isn't a midget weak player to excuse him for that.
For a world class player he needs too many conditions to perform consistently it's really not worth it tbh.
And as I said if Pogba needs full quality team around for him to perform consistently then what is the point of him exactly? If you need to spend extra 500m to get the best out of Pogba, then what is the point? This 500m wisely spent will build a great team with or without Pogba then what's the point of him?
Thanks to his inconsistency and his need of having very specific conditions and self centered team around him to get the best out of him and cover for his flaws the result will always be the same as last season, he will be ranking in goals, stats and such while we are 6th, trophlyess and shite because for the number of games he play well and put these stats in, it's accompanied by loads of other games in which he doesn't perform and sulk around damaging the entire game plan and at the same time preventing the manager from making any tactical adjustment because he needs to play in certain position in specific formation.
It simply will never work and this team will never succeed. This kind of teams can only succeed if you are building it around Messi or Ronaldo who are gonna score +40 goals, not anyone else.
If we need a full functional team with loads of quality around Pogba for him to perform consistently then there's simply no point of him. This team in such case will perform well with or without him anyway. What will be his role then? If that is the case then sorry, sell and invest in the squad. It will be much better in such case.
I keep reading how Pogba needs certain things in place or a certain type player around him to be right at it, well I'd bet most of the professional footballing world would be great if they worked in conditions that were solely focused on making you look great. Feckin hell the guy cost us a fortune and he's been, lets be honest, basically pish! No leadership qualities at all, Captain of United no feckin way, Keano or Robbo would have put this ponce to sleep!
I am pretty sure that Juve is not in for him. They are always looking for good and cheap options to save a few quids and no way they would buy back a player for much more than for what they sold him after having spent 3 of his prime years with us.
What agenda? The guy himself said that he is ready for a new challenge.
This is what I would call forcing a move and disrespecting your club
Pogba saying he wants a new challenge is not forcing a move. It’s being honest. Given the state of our transfer window, fans abusing him last game at OT, I don’t blame him for wanting to join a more ambitious club.
Real Madrid spent over £300m the first week the window opened.
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Pogba saying he wants a new challenge is not forcing a move. It’s being honest. Given the state of our transfer window, fans abusing him last game at OT, I don’t blame him for wanting to join a more ambitious club.
Real Madrid spent over £300m the first week the window opened.
that is smart business. Do you think money grows on trees? After spending 75-90m on lukaku I wonder how you guys keep convincing yourselves woodward is stingy?
Someone convereted 180m EUR maybe. In fairness, we are looking for 180m GBP.
Thanks for kletting me know. That is quite a fee. What would you take for him, I would take £150m but preferably have players in exchange?
I know that story but I think the real story here is that Ole wants to keep Pogba. Many things are possible to negotiate one or multiple years, especially if it's around money, fans abusing him with insults, etc... we can fix that, we need to win, and there needs to be a plan. Any player we take at this stage won't necessarily be a straight fit. I mean, we would need a world beater, even a player like Eriksen doesn't solve the whole problem of Pogba leaving. For me, our major issue is to create a 2nd source of creativity good enough to work when Pogba is triple marked so that we can use the space.
Ole is just taking the high road here. Everyone knows what is going on behind the scenes and Ole is obviously not being dragged into a pissing match. At the end of the day, we’ll probably sell Pogba if RM meet our valuation.
Of course Ole wants to keep him and so does the board. I would like to see him stay and lead us back to the top again but, to be honest, that's just wishful thinking. I think Pogba is set on going and it would be madness to hang on to an unhappy player who's trying to work his ticket.
I don’t think he’s going any where. Madrid can’t raise the money, doubt he would go back to Juve. We hold all the cards as much as a prat he can be I think once he realises he’s going no where he will buckle down and be a proper professional again for the season, unless of course the wheels fall off our season and he downs tools again but hopefully we shall get at least beyond Christmas
What I find astonishing is hearing people saying 'just get rid' or 'let him go'. We haven't had any bids ffs!
If Real come in and bid something, we might start negotiating until middle ground is found. If we are being low balled with the figure, or no bid comes in, then Pogba and that stupid fat agent of his can't complain can they? Putting pressure on UTD through the media doesn't help their case at all. He has 3 years on his contract let's not forget. UTD could make it difficult for him but we aren't. And we would absolutely take £140-150m for a want away player.
But until an actual bid comes in why are they (Pogba and fat boy) trying to force something so early?
If Real come in and bid something, we might start negotiating until middle ground is found. If we are being low balled with the figure, or no bid comes in, then Pogba and that stupid fat agent of his can't complain can they? Putting pressure on UTD through the media doesn't help their case at all. He has 3 years on his contract let's not forget. UTD could make it difficult for him but we aren't. And we would absolutely take £140-150m for a want away player.
But until an actual bid comes in why are they (Pogba and fat boy) trying to force something so early?
I'm seething due to the way Pogba has handled the situation, but if Ole wants him to stay and won't push him away, will definitely be supporting his decision. Same goes for Pogba, as long as he truly is applying himself properly and gives a 100% for the badge.
If not, there is no doubt in my mind that Solskjaer will make it known and won't play him. But we are Manchester United, we are not going to be bullied by any club to do something we do no want.
If not, there is no doubt in my mind that Solskjaer will make it known and won't play him. But we are Manchester United, we are not going to be bullied by any club to do something we do no want.
If United receive the acquired amount for Pogba's services then I'm all but certain,once the news is official we've accepted a bid,you'll see news breaking of his required replacement being close to agreed. United aren't that incompetent that they wont have a major replacement at the ready.
Is there any world where we, somehow, end up with Neymar? I definitely reckon PSG want to get rid and might require to get creative.
For example, Pogba to Barca, Dembele + Coutinho to PSG and Neymar to us.
We’d probably have to chuck £50m into the mix which might help Barca pay for Pogba’s mate Griezmann.
I genuinely don’t know if Barca would want him or how this would be facilitated. Pure speculation on my part but I still think Ed would be tempted.
For example, Pogba to Barca, Dembele + Coutinho to PSG and Neymar to us.
We’d probably have to chuck £50m into the mix which might help Barca pay for Pogba’s mate Griezmann.
I genuinely don’t know if Barca would want him or how this would be facilitated. Pure speculation on my part but I still think Ed would be tempted.
Nope
Madrid wants him badly and yet are only apparently willing to offer only 80m euros. Surely Pogba must know this and that Madrid aren't actually that desperate for him and United are never going to accept this kind of offer
What a load of horse cr*p from Ole. Guy said he wants a new challenge himself. His agent repeated that few days ago
If we can't buy a top class replacement for Pogba, Ole has to do what is needed to keep him motivated and not alienate him from the squad. I don't like that we have to bend over to the Frenchman after his disrespectful actions, but this isn't Solskjaer's fault and he has to do what is best for the club right now.
Im sorry, but Pogba is never 100% motivated. He is able to half ass performances week in week out and turn it on when it suits him. Take the fact that he doesnt want to be here at all and I think he will be even more complacent. I dont believe for one second there are not discussions going on behind the scenes between Real and Man Utd now about his transfer. Everyone is trying to play down the situation. Guy doesnt want to be here so lets get rid of him.
We will not and should not sell for less than his true value, which is at least £180 million in today's market. If Ole admitted something in public, the price drops instantly by a substantial amount.
There is no right move that Solskjaer can make, this is the best choice of action to keep the situation peaceful and keep his cards in his hand.
Yep, same as De Gea the other year. If they really want him they know the price.
I agree, but we all wanted a soft character who puts arms around shoulders for these players to get the best out of them right? After Mourinho.
I really don't understand all this fuss around Pogba. When the guy's on the ball, he walks through midfield, letting opponents near him. Then he drags the ball around a little bit with his sole and places his massive body between the ball and the opponent and everyone is like "woah, look how good he can shield the ball". Then he either loses it or plays a pass he could've played 5 minutes ago without any risk of losing it. He always wants to do the spectacular thing. Playing a 50m pass, a through ball, shield the ball, dribble, shoot from the distance and so forth. Sideway passes, distribtuons of play, etc.? Nah. Overrated.
Honestly, he's a symbol for everything that's currently going wrong at United from a footballing perspective. Kick and rush and box to box midfielders draggon the ball over the pitch themselves are dead, move on guys. Go for marathon men in midfield and play an intensive pressing/quick transition style if you like vertical football or bet on outplaying the opponent through technical lightweight players and possession, like Guardiola does. Pogba doesn't really fit in either system.
Honestly, he's a symbol for everything that's currently going wrong at United from a footballing perspective. Kick and rush and box to box midfielders draggon the ball over the pitch themselves are dead, move on guys. Go for marathon men in midfield and play an intensive pressing/quick transition style if you like vertical football or bet on outplaying the opponent through technical lightweight players and possession, like Guardiola does. Pogba doesn't really fit in either system.