Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Man City can’t ‘guarantee’ anything either. They are obviously likely, but could easily finish 5th in a season or two in this PL.
And obviously, there are other leagues with ‘guaranteed’ winners, I just chose not to list them all. Shaktar should also get him CL footy regularly. Basically, just don’t come to the PL if you want success handled.
Just a pity we did not fill all the gaps then...
Again, in retrospect. We could sign Sancho and want a RW if he doesn’t succeed. We signed the ‘Bundesliga POTY’ for example who was supposed to create chances like KDB, yet we needed a RW later, for just one example.
Have we signed him yet?
I'm not as confident we could land him like so many of you do. If we miss out on another year of CL again then it's fair to say that he won't be joining us.
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My mate is a scout at United and he says that the club aren't interested in Sancho, they scouted him extensively but decided against making a move because there were concerns for his love of pineapple on pizza.
Here's one of those posts where almost everything is wrong. It's like a template for absolute calamity.
More than CL football or not, I think he could have been scared last season by the feeling of chaos around us in the last months. Getting a CL spot by one point doesn't mean you're going to play it the next 5 years anyway, and the same with the Europa League.
Probably it's more a general feeling about the club, the team expectations and seeing how things evolve before actively pushing for a move. He's probably waiting also until more clubs are interested to have more choices available, and I think it's normal after all.
I think we'll need a bit of luck and the stars aligning here, and even if we have the green light at some point I guess the transfer numbers could be outrageous. I expect Dortmund asking for Dembele numbers (or very close) so we'll need sweat, blood and tears to bring the kid here. It's worth it anyway.
Probably it's more a general feeling about the club, the team expectations and seeing how things evolve before actively pushing for a move. He's probably waiting also until more clubs are interested to have more choices available, and I think it's normal after all.
I think we'll need a bit of luck and the stars aligning here, and even if we have the green light at some point I guess the transfer numbers could be outrageous. I expect Dortmund asking for Dembele numbers (or very close) so we'll need sweat, blood and tears to bring the kid here. It's worth it anyway.
This was obviously us, as the Sancho to United rumours started early and died pretty quickly. Also confirms that there was no chance Dortmund were going to sell. Not that some FM players on here won't start with the "this was our chance" shite again "because Dortmund are a selling club"
Dortmund is a selling club though.This was obviously us, as the Sancho to United rumours started early and died pretty quickly. Also confirms that there was no chance Dortmund were going to sell. Not that some FM players on here won't start with the "this was our chance" shite again "because Dortmund are a selling club"
And I don't debate that. It doesn't mean they're willing to sell any player at any time though, which is what some on here seem to think.
Dortmund is a selling club though.
Dortmund's English Twitter account was asking people to tweet them their name and favourite number to show off what it would look like on their new kit. A Man United fan asked for "Sancho to Man Utd 7". Dortmund came back with this salty reply...
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This is why I back our scouts, it's all about the attention to detail.
Unless Bayern come asking.
Uncalled for yet pretty funny to be honest.
Could've replaced the Dortmund with a ManUnited tag.In the last 15 years Dortmund have willingly sold precisely one player to Bayern
The academical term for this heinous act is banter and I'd make the bold bet that this wasn't an official statement, but rather the social media intern trying to be funny.
Willing or not you’ll sell to Bayern if they come knocking.In the last 15 years Dortmund have willingly sold precisely one player to Bayern
What the hell are you on about? There is literally no precedent for this.
Go on then, enlighten us.
I imagine he's referring to Dortmund selling Lewandowski, Goetze and Hummels to Bayern. You say one was willing, so two were unwilling?
Lewandowski was in his last year and was making a fuss, Götze had his release clause triggered by Bayern. I don't remember exactly the case with Hummels but they got a lot of money for him and I think he wasn't going to renew either.
Hummels and Goetze were both sold to Bayern.In the last 15 years Dortmund have willingly sold precisely one player to Bayern
I was surprised that Dortmund actually brought back Hummels tbh. For a guy who said something along the lines of "I would never leave Dortmund" after Lewandoski and Gotze left, he sure left for Munich quickly. What are dortmund fans feelings about your former captain's return?
I just want Dortmund to win one title for Reus. He deserves it, after all his injury nightmares.
I just want Dortmund to win one title for Reus. He deserves it, after all his injury nightmares.
Lewandowski's contract ran out, Dortmund didn't sell him to Bayern, he left on a free. Bayern wanted to buy him a season earlier and Dortmund refused, opting to run down the contract.
As mentioned above, Lewandowski was not in his last year but his contract ran out. Götzes release clause was triggered and Hummels was sold making him the first player since Frings in 2004 to be sold to Bayern. The last before that was Thomas Helmer in 1992 I believe.
This is where the "willingly" aspect of my sentence comes in. Dortmund very much unwillingly sold Götze to Bayern because of a release clause. They have not agreed to release clauses ever since.
With all that said I don't mean to imply that Bayern can't buy from us. The just rarely have and I am quite sure that we can refuse them if contracts don't force our hand. I would for example entirely rule out a chance for them to buy Sancho next summer. They probably won't have the cash that will be asked (or won't be willing to spend it on one player) if he continues to perform similar to last season and I am quite sure Dortmund would not sell to them if other clubs were in for Sancho as well (which I am also sure they will be, always assuming he can replicate his performances, probably even if he can't).
If by leaving for Munich quickly you mean three years later then yes, he did. He said it about Götze's departure in 2013 and left himself in 2016. Still makes this a bit awkward and he lost a lot of credit with the fans (to put it mildly). I still feel that he is being welcomed more warmly than Götze for example which might in large part be due to him actually performing at Bayern. He is still respected for being a top class defender and a lot of supporters including me hope he will be a great asset for us this season.
I am a bit biased in this because he was probably my favourite Dortmund player before his departure and I still love his style of play. He could have been a club legend and going to Bayern was probably the only thing he could have done to damage that status. I think for me it's the same as for a lot of other Dortmund fans, I am eagerly looking forward to seeing one of my favourite players play for us again, but the love there once was is lost.
You’ve done a fair bit of business over the years both with player sales and acquisitions from Bayern let’s not be daft.
Bayern can take whoever they want from Dortmund at any time. They’re actually desperate for wingers too you better hope Sancho has a quiet season.
He won’t join them even if they wanted to I suspect. He’s coming home.
They really have not though ... they've only sold 2 players to Bayern in the last 25 years (Torsten Frings and Mats Hummels).
What you are saying is demonstrably nonsensical. Why would we be hoping for a quiet Sancho season, Bayern are desperate for wingers now, they can just take Sancho tomorrow if they so please right?
Edit: I thought you may have been right with your acquisitions claim. Turns out there have been four transfers from Bayern to Dortmund in the last 20 years, Hummels, Rode, Götze and Hummels again
The last transfers before that were Christian Nerlinger in 1998 and Jürgen "the cobra" Wegmann in 1989. Please stop making these claims if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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Yeah you're right. They can take him at any time, as long as his contract with Dortmund runs out at that time. Which is in 3 years.
Dortmund are a selling club they don’t care if it’s Bayern or Inter Miami
Dortmund are telling Bayern to feck off then if a massive bid comes in for Sancho?
Dortmund are telling Bayern to feck off then if a massive bid comes in for Sancho?
What you are saying is demonstrably nonsensical. Why would we be hoping for a quiet Sancho season, Bayern are desperate for wingers now, they can just take Sancho tomorrow if they so please right?
Edit: I thought you may have been right with your acquisitions claim. Turns out there have been four transfers from Bayern to Dortmund in the last 20 years, Hummels, Rode, Götze and Hummels again
Please stop making these claims if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Yeah 4 in and there’s been 3 sales (Goetze, Hummels, fringe) and whilst it’s not Dortmund’s fault Lewandowski also jumped ship.
8 bits of business done between the 2 clubs since 05...It’s hardly United-Liverpool is it.
Gotze wasn't really a sale, Bayern triggered his release clause and there was little Dortmund could do to stop it.
Alright, you seem to have a quite firm opinion on this matter. Allow me to explain my view on the matters. Please do me the favor of keeping an open mind to the possibility that things may not be as black and white as you currently see them.
Yes, Dortmund are a selling club. The are dependent on an occasional sale of a player. That is what they have been doing the last couple of years and they have prospered off of this business model to a certain extent. Players like Dembele, Götze, Hummels, Mkhitaryan, Pulisic, Gündogan or Aubameyang have been sold for sometimes hefty amounts of cash. This money is not needed to keep the ship afloat but it helps a lot in achieving the goals that the club has.
Now what you seem to misunderstand is that all of these sales have been a question of timing and were not indeed some club snapping their fingers and Dortmund came running. If you want to draw the ideal lifecycle of a young player that makes it big it would go a bit like this:
1. Buy the player for a relatively low price (~8m for Sancho, ~20m for Dembele + sell on %, at youth level for Pulisic)
2. Nurse him to the state of being able to play for the first team.
3. Break out season. Ideally prolong the contract with increased pay.
4. Keep the player for 1-2 more years as one of the key players of the squad in order to achieve sporting goals. Ideally this is the time when a replacement is in stage 2.
5. Sell the player for big money with 1-3 years left on the contract.
The crucial aspect of this method is step 4. This is where you are fundamentally wrong in my opinion. At this point they players usually still have a quite long contract and most of them don't really want to push for a move because it suits their career as well to settle into the role as a professional player a bit more and leave the club as a finished product. Dortmund have always pretty much adhered to such a plan with their standout players. The only notable exception here is of course Dembele. He wanted to leave after step 3 and the club were pissed to put it mildly. It took Dembele acting like and absolute cnut and an estimated 125-130m from Barcelona to move him on.
So this is how I would respont do the claim that any club with enough funds can get a Dortmund player at any time if they so please. Concerning your second statement above I am quite certain that this is precisely what they will do. There may be the situation that Sancho says Bayern are the only club that he wants to move to and there is not a single club outside of Germany willing to pay significantly more than they will. That seems unlikely but assuming that is what happens. Our bosses would have to decide if it is worth it to keep him for another season and maybe get a bit less with only one year on Sancho's contract. Depends on the numbers I guess. But as long as Sancho doesn't prefer Bayern over a move to England I am sure that he will not be sold to them.
Frings moved in '04. Eight bits of business in 15 years if you want to call it that. I have no idea what it has to do with Bayern being able to take Dortmund's players when Dortmund buys off of Bayern though. Whichever way you turn it, your claim that Dortmund bend over whenever Bayern come calling does not become less untrue.
Edit: And of course it isn't United-Liverpool. There is a clear difference in financial potency between Bayern and Dortmund.
Still, the fact that a player would insist on a release clause in the contract points towards the club's status.
They had their chance last year, they blew it. Completely and irreparably.
True. The club's status eight years ago. As mentioned they have not agreed to a release clause since. I don't claim that we are anywhere near the position that Bayern are but the status has changed quite drastically over the last decade. It is probably easier to understand if you are aware of just how shit we were roughly between 2004 and 2009
So you mean every team that ever came in second or blew a lead can never have a shot at winning the title again?
Not that I see us as favourites to win the league of course.- Status