Yeah Pogba put in a good performance, for sure, he can do it. Feels like his job's finally been clearly defined for him in the team, which has made him much happier.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I understand your frustration and I am not here defending Lingard's average performance but one cannot also blame Ole for picking Lingard in the second game of the season. If it was November and Ole still refusing to give Gomes and greenwood chance then I would criticize Ole too but now it just seems a tad harsh. He has already dropped Matic, Smalling, Young, Jones. Our average age of the starting line was 24 and you would want some experience to come from the bench.
Did Ole make any comment about why he picked James and benched Pereira?
We’ve won 3 games of our last 14. Fail to see where the positivity is coming from
It's just a critique, its not like he didn't watch Lingard last season. Its also not like he wasn't speaking about Greenwood from last season and its not like pre season didn't happen.
Ole has done many things right, I think he doing a good job. This one we'll need to see how its progresses over the season, however doesn't mean it cannot be critiqued. I think it was a mistake to start the season with Lingard as a starter after what he has produced over the last 12 months in the side.
This season is a new season
And? Does that mean football before this season doesn’t count then?
That stat is misleading because we added 3 new players, had a pre-season and time to adjust to a new playing style.
We should be top of the league right now and had a pretty good preseason, this time last year we had that Mourinho preseason followed by 7 points from the first 7 games. I expect us to win on Saturday so we will be on 7 points after 3 games if so so that surely some positivity no?
Right, because pretending like those results come from the exact same team is completely logical...it's not like there is any real difference between AWB and Young or Maguire and Smalling...
By that same moronic logic, Fulham could have claimed halfway through November 2018 that things were going quite well, given the great run of form in April and May.
Very wierd. Never think I have witnessed anything like on this forum. It’s like a love for hate. It really is Moan Utd. So many positives you could think of.
So that’s 4 wins in 15 games then. Keep thinking that’s good enough for the ‘biggest club in the world’
Last season didn’t happen for me pal, get on the train
And what is your solution? Sack ole
Much maligned. Thought he did a good job last night. His energy level is what we need right now. Not the greatest technically perhaps, but he really gets around the pitch. Actually thought it was a great decision by Ole to put him in that position.
Oh sod off. You hang in there for the magic solution. Everyone pulling in the same direction, progress being made, just take 5 minutes off from the cynicism. It'll make you feel better.
Yes, and bring in Allegri. We need a world class manager with a proven record. It should be the standard at Manchester United. However a lot of this fanbase doesn’t like winning by the looks of it
Where is the progress exactly? It’s the same squad as last year with AWB and Maguire. Good signings, but the other half of the defence is average, then you look at our backups, we’re an injury away from Smalling, Jones, Young. Midfield is thin, our best midfielder doesn’t want to be here. As for up front, only decent player is Martial. So we are miles off, but keep thinking we’re making progress. Your mentality suits a club of the size of Hull City
And what if allegri also doesn't work.
What will you do if Ole doesn’t work then? You can say this about anyone. I know for sure Allegri would be doing a better job than Ole. Comparing their CV’s say it all
What? How you know allegri will succeed ? Because of cv? So in that case pep shouldn’t have got the chance in Barca, or Zinedine in real. There so much more than just having a CV. For god sake mou is allegri’s dad when it comes to CV and look how that turned out!
It’s all relative.. when it comes to good players with less experienced manager it could turn out good. Without a manager who can’t sustains harmony between players were back to square one. How you know allegri would fit that bill? And all of you guys talking like Solskjaer hasn’t been educated in the game as a manager for 7-8 years!
We can’t go off trying all the managers with the best CV, what we need is already here. At least now we have a path. And watching the game against wolves, chances created all the time, and a beautiful goal that I haven’t seen us score like in a while..
What we do if ole doesn’t work is we get a new one. So far so good. Stop spousing nonsense about replacing ole, and back your manager who gave us back some joy watching us play again.
You know for sure ? All managers we have had after Ferguson - how did they do ?
I’m encouraged by the direction the club is going in as a whole. Personally I wouldn’t say it’s mostly Ole though & I doubt he’s our man long-term.
I’ve been very unimpressed with his tactial changes in games. He sets the team up fine but seems to just sit and ponder changes until it’s too late.
I still haven’t forgotten he had us playing the worst football since Moyes end of last season but fingers crossed it was just burn out. Midfield needs sorting though by the end of the season!
I’ve been very unimpressed with his tactial changes in games. He sets the team up fine but seems to just sit and ponder changes until it’s too late.
I still haven’t forgotten he had us playing the worst football since Moyes end of last season but fingers crossed it was just burn out. Midfield needs sorting though by the end of the season!
I’ve seen this movie before.
My main issue with him is that he's giving the players too much leeway and isn't making them cut their bullshit down.
Pogba should never be on penalty duties and Rashford needs to get his head checked every single time he does his stupid freekicks to no where. And we honestly need some variety in our set pieces, it's obvious as well what we're always aiming for and it's easy for the defenders to defend against us. We're literally wasting our chances due to how predictable we are.
Pogba should never be on penalty duties and Rashford needs to get his head checked every single time he does his stupid freekicks to no where. And we honestly need some variety in our set pieces, it's obvious as well what we're always aiming for and it's easy for the defenders to defend against us. We're literally wasting our chances due to how predictable we are.
What are you blabbering? We started the season pretty well and showed some promising signs with such a young team. Give the man a chance.
World-class managers with a proven record we had before him had theirs and they blew it.
Allegri, ffs
His style of football is absolutely awful to watch, pretty sure Juve fans were getting sick of it towards the end of his tenure. He only lasted so long because he kept winning easy titles and cups in a league with very little competition, but kept failing in the one competition they're desperate for (Champions League).
We simply can't just keep hiring managers without thinking about the philosophy and style of football they bring, and only basing it on their CV. We've tried it and failed. I don't think I can stand another season of having huge player turnover because we shifted our style of football from one end to the other yet again.
Things are finally looking positive and after 2 games in the season you're already spouting this bollocks.
Wins: 18
Draws: 6
Losses: 9
That's Solskjær's total so far. 55% win rate - and with the exception of two games he's achieved this with a squad he inherited even. Also - that squad was a total mess completely stripped of both work ethics and morale - looking disoriented on the pitch and also so unfit they were unable to go through a single period without gasping for air. With his own team that he's had a proper chance to influence - these are his stats...
Won: 1
Draw: 1
Losses: 0
...or "so far so good but still way too early to conclude anything" as any semi-intelligent creature would label it.
But those are just numbers - anyone with half an eye for the game can see how much we've improved in pretty much every aspect of play since last season and also how the attitude within the squad has changed for the better. The positivity in play is also clearly visible - we're back on the front foot again where we belong. That progress was visible even during pre-season matches - so to me it's easy to see where the positivity comes from. The negativity however puzzles me - and there's defintely some kind of collective malfunction involved there as every single person I see advocating this pitiful and pathetic defeatism base their arguments on either extremely selective reasoning and/or downright false premises - focusing on negatives alone and also blowing these way out of proportions.
And even beyond all this - a supporter is supposed to support it's club - create a positive atmosphere for both players and staff alike to thrive in. If you jump on any given chance to degrade your club and it's representatives while manufacturing a negative buzz around it then quite frankly you're doing a shite job. I mean it's even in the word itself - "support" - "supporter" - so I fail to see why so many so-called supporters seems intent on doing the opposite. If you call yourself a supporter but you're not being supportive - rather downright hostile and demoralizing in fact - then quite frankly you're way worse at your job than any person currently representing Manchester United Football Club ever was.
We had two world class managers that made a complete mess of the team. Yes, they won a trophy or two. They wreck the team and the football was horrible to watch. Ole won’t be worse than them.
You don't get it mate.
Ole Solskjaer's appointment is not about NOW. It's not about this season; it's about implementing a football philosophy within the club so that we gain from it over the long-term.
The main reason the club is in such a mess is because we kept appointing Allegris. We kept appointing short-term managers who have won everything in the game assuming they would bring a quick fix. LvG - came and went. Jose came and went. Now the squad is made up of four different managers and is a mess. Or at least it was until we appointed Ole on a long-termer and he is slowly but surely transitioning the dressing-room into one that - while it will take a while to bring success - will have harmony and a constant philosophy. Only then can we progress.
You are the worst type of fan.
Anyone calling for managers to be sacked clearly don't understand what is going on.
We are a mess because we have been trying to create a quick fix by bringing in 'world-class' managers.
That's nonsense.
I imagine if you were a Liverpool fan, you would have been calling for Klopp's head after his first season when he only finished 7th. You don't understand that in order to jump six places in the league, you don't look for a quick fix, you look to the long-term. (It took Klopp 4 years to mount a PL challenge). On top of that; there is NO DOUBT that you would have sacked Matt Busby in 1950 and you would have sacked Alex Ferguson in 1989. That's how dumb you are coming across.
What we are doing right now - in letting Ole evolve this squad subtly and slowly - is the RIGHT way to get back to the top. It is the ONY way back to the top.
Hiring an Allegri is the worst thing we can do right now.
How do you not understand this?
Do you not understand the mess the LvG and Mouirnho (quick fixes) appointments turned our club into? This HAS to be about the long-term. In the same way the Busby and Ferguson appointments were for the long-term and from that grew our most successful periods in our 140-year history.
Reading your posts suggests you are not very bright. You don't get it. How can anyone in their right mind think Allegri is the answer? Allegri is the total opposite of the answer. It baffles me how people can be this naive about this sport.
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The energy levels are fine, the key question is if that's enough to play as a number 10 for United. Because if these are the standards now then any average mid table player could do the job, and they wouldn't produce less than him because there's very little margin for it. I'm reading that his last goal or assist in the league was in December. Just wow.
As I said before, I respect Ole's decisions and if this guy fits his tactics more than anyone, let's see what happens. But if he keeps being toothless in attack then I expect changes at some point and surely it will happen, because it's insustainable to achieve anything (even a simple top 4) with this man losing the ball cheaply and shooting to his own face. His credit has to end at some point by the current path, I think it's inevitable.
Unless Allegri gets backed properly by Ed, he isn’t going to do shit either (it’ll be LVG & Jose all over again). He’ll come in, not want any of Ole’s players and we’re literally right back to square 1. Atleast ole is trying to create a new identity by easing off the galactico approach.
Preach brother!! So many want quick fix managers, its like they've been in a coma for the past 6 years, completely baffling.
Ole could've done his subs earlier, since Lingard was nowhere to be seen after solid first half and McTomminay looked shaky. And then you look at the bench and realise why he persisted with same players, not much of an option there.
9 quotes to that post bloody hell the Glazer puppets are all out. Alright so the argument is ‘don’t bring in a world class manager, bring in an inferior manager’ you puppets aren’t even making sense. If it’s Mourinho you’re talking about as a failure, nonsense. 3 trophies and got 2nd place with this squad. Only the last few months of Mourinho’s time was poor and understandably, he didn’t get a CB he wanted so he sabotaged, dont really blame him, at least he was ambitious
Most of Ole’s wins came with the new manager bounce, helped by playing a lot of shit teams, and a few good teams that were out of form, a squad as soft at this one got a few wins in a row and got a bit of momentum, adrenaline to carry it on, rather than winning being 2nd nature. After that bounce was over, it was 2 wins in 12 games, how anyone defends that is beyond me. He is also a Glazer puppet in the market which is worse than the 2 wins in 12. Mourinho fought against them and Ed
bloody hell the Glazer puppets are all out. Alright so the argument is ‘don’t bring in a world class manager, bring in an inferior manager’ you puppets aren’t even making sense. If it’s Mourinho you’re talking about as a failure, nonsense. 3 trophies and got 2nd place with this squad. Only the last few months of Mourinho’s time was poor and understandably, he didn’t get a CB he wanted so he sabotaged, dont really blame him, at least he was ambitiousMost of Ole’s wins came with the new manager bounce, helped by playing a lot of shit teams, and a few good teams that were out of form, a squad as soft at this one got a few wins in a row and got a bit of momentum, adrenaline to carry it on, rather than winning being 2nd nature. After that bounce was over, it was 2 wins in 12 games, how anyone defends that is beyond me. He is also a Glazer puppet in the market which is worse than the 2 wins in 12. Mourinho fought against them and Ed
Mourinho 2nd place + EL win (best season by far since Fergie no discussion) = failure9 quotes to that post
Most of Ole’s wins came with the new manager bounce, helped by playing a lot of shit teams, and a few good teams that were out of form, a squad as soft at this one got a few wins in a row and got a bit of momentum, adrenaline to carry it on, rather than winning being 2nd nature. After that bounce was over, it was 2 wins in 12 games, how anyone defends that is beyond me. He is also a Glazer puppet in the market which is worse than the 2 wins in 12. Mourinho fought against them and Ed
Ole finishing 6th playing TERRIBLE football and winning one lucky game = giant success
Jose is lucky Celta Vigo missed an open goal in the 90th min at Old Trafford. Also have you forgotten how Sevilla embarrassed us in the CL last 16? And the disgusting comments he made about our history after the game? 3 trophies? So you're counting the charity shield too then? Ole is much healthier for this club than the "Poisonous One"..9 quotes to that post
Most of Ole’s wins came with the new manager bounce, helped by playing a lot of shit teams, and a few good teams that were out of form, a squad as soft at this one got a few wins in a row and got a bit of momentum, adrenaline to carry it on, rather than winning being 2nd nature. After that bounce was over, it was 2 wins in 12 games, how anyone defends that is beyond me. He is also a Glazer puppet in the market which is worse than the 2 wins in 12. Mourinho fought against them and Ed
P.S.. 2nd place but 20 points off City is not worth mentioning, a nothing achievement, the whole league was smoking crack that year, was completely a one horse race..
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Most of Ole’s wins came with the new manager bounce, helped by playing a lot of shit teams, and a few good teams that were out of form, a squad as soft at this one got a few wins in a row and got a bit of momentum, adrenaline to carry it on, rather than winning being 2nd nature. After that bounce was over, it was 2 wins in 12 games, how anyone defends that is beyond me. He is also a Glazer puppet in the market which is worse than the 2 wins in 12. Mourinho fought against them and Ed
I can see why the both of you are still in the newbies...
That was two separate seasons though not one, and finishing 20 points off City is not an achievement.
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