I would rather have him than nothing. The strangest logic for me is being happy with selling him and not replacing him.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Unfortunately I'm not that surprised given the direction he has gone since becoming permanent manager. He's basically moved the team in a direction that a lot of posters in here were suggesting. 19% win rate sounds about right for that
All entitled to our opinions but I don't think every other manager in the league would do better with this squad. You look at it on paper and it's a team that should be anywhere from 5th - 10th.
It has always been piss poor. As soon as the opposition scores we look devoid of ideas. His in game management hasn’t looked better since the vaguely remembered shit shows at Cardiff.
get that stat from The Sun or Reddit?
Give it 20 games, see then. We've been badly managed for years, got to be patient...
That's the thing though, they may do a better job but would they do a good enough job? I'd just like to hear some suggestions that's all, and it seems like there's not many going around.
It's one thing to say Soljskaer should go, and with his record many will agree. But I'd genuinely like to hear some viable candidates to replace him and bring us back to where we need to be.
Knee jerking is so trendy...
I don't think he should have been appointed in the first place but I can't see who is available right now.
Is it though? Thought it was around 53 mark? Still nowhere near good enough.
Doesn't count because he hasn't spent 200m net. Till then he has free license to lose or draw to any relegation side that comes his way
Just say it how it is, he's shite.
He is not going to survive this season. And the manager who follows him is likely not going to survive the next. As long as the Glazers are our owners and Woody has anything to say at the club that is not marketing related we are fecked.
Ole must be given two options by the board:
1) stop playing shit players like Lingard, Young, Matic, Pereira
2) resign with immediate effect
1) stop playing shit players like Lingard, Young, Matic, Pereira
2) resign with immediate effect
Literally any manager in Prem will be doing a better job than him.
Daniel James on form alone won't be enough.
Other players need to step up now.
Weird to say this at this moment, but I still believe in them.
Other players need to step up now.
Weird to say this at this moment, but I still believe in them.
How is this knee jerking? it this his first month as a manager or something?
It'd be really easy to pull the trigger and get rid but why bother?
Nobody else is gonna get better out of these players that is available.
More managerial upheaval, yet another 'plan', yet more time and money wasted.
Just see where this takes us and if after a few years it's unsalvageable then get rid.
You can see little sprinkles of the right ideas but we don't have the players to execute the plan. We've started to get rid of the deadwood but we need investment now to get the right players in to do the job.
Nobody else is gonna get better out of these players that is available.
More managerial upheaval, yet another 'plan', yet more time and money wasted.
Just see where this takes us and if after a few years it's unsalvageable then get rid.
You can see little sprinkles of the right ideas but we don't have the players to execute the plan. We've started to get rid of the deadwood but we need investment now to get the right players in to do the job.
Since he was made permanent
A manager with short term thinking (“success or result oriented”) - is a poison for a club in United situation. Solskjær might fail as a coach (I doubt it) but as a DOF (He is our de facto DOF) he is doing great because he loves the club more than his ego.
1. Tries to play attacking style. We try to attack even if we lead this season.
2. Good acquisitions so far - football wise (not going to debate over wether we overpaid for Harry or AWB).
3. Not afraid to put himself in a really difficult position (very thin squad) to benefit long term (offloading unwanted players). Fast clear out is impossible to do without thinning squad because getting rid of the players (even in our case) is a way faster than building the squad (especially in our case). You can’t expect to replace 5 mediocre players with 5 world class players in one window, especially with bloated salaries, do you?
4. Doesn’t buy to have numbers (again long term thinking) or names. Fellaini, Depay, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Rojo, Sanchez.....a very long list of crap transfers by CV driven managers.
5. Mental and tactical coaching must improve. Ole need a continental tactical coach and Dept of Psychology (whatever) ASAP.
6. Don’t panic.
1. Tries to play attacking style. We try to attack even if we lead this season.
2. Good acquisitions so far - football wise (not going to debate over wether we overpaid for Harry or AWB).
3. Not afraid to put himself in a really difficult position (very thin squad) to benefit long term (offloading unwanted players). Fast clear out is impossible to do without thinning squad because getting rid of the players (even in our case) is a way faster than building the squad (especially in our case). You can’t expect to replace 5 mediocre players with 5 world class players in one window, especially with bloated salaries, do you?
4. Doesn’t buy to have numbers (again long term thinking) or names. Fellaini, Depay, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Rojo, Sanchez.....a very long list of crap transfers by CV driven managers.
5. Mental and tactical coaching must improve. Ole need a continental tactical coach and Dept of Psychology (whatever) ASAP.
6. Don’t panic.
Permanent which was after the PSG game we have won 3 games since then
Chill and accept that this season is a write off and always was going to be. Don't expect us to get top 6 as the hope will kill you.
I don't mind us writing this season off as a year to rebuild IF I see the right construction materials and fundamental systems being put in place. Hell-I might even accept waiting two seasons if at the end of it United are a club that can challenge for the top honours. This season is only going to be painful if you expect us to challenge for anything.
The concern is that we lose a season or two "rebuilding" but end up with a bunch of cowboy builders who botch the rebuild.
Let's take a look at OGS's record as a manager in England based solely on his record when employed as a permanent manager. Yes, I know this will exclude the "Mourinho bounce".
With United and Cardiff OGS has
Played
43 games
Won 12
Drawn 9
Lost 22
I don't mind us writing this season off as a year to rebuild IF I see the right construction materials and fundamental systems being put in place. Hell-I might even accept waiting two seasons if at the end of it United are a club that can challenge for the top honours. This season is only going to be painful if you expect us to challenge for anything.
The concern is that we lose a season or two "rebuilding" but end up with a bunch of cowboy builders who botch the rebuild.
Let's take a look at OGS's record as a manager in England based solely on his record when employed as a permanent manager. Yes, I know this will exclude the "Mourinho bounce".
With United and Cardiff OGS has
Played
43 games
Won 12
Drawn 9
Lost 22
I don’t need to check the records to know his win rate as PERMANENT manager isn’t 53%
I’m surprised it’s as high as 19% It feels lower...
Yes, that is a bad win rate for any manager... but it's not necessarily all his control. If this was City and he had that squad and carte blanche, then yeah he deserves to get sacked.
However he's dealing with a bloated and overpaid squad, and a board that's almost bipolar in their decisions.
"We're happy to announce record profits and record sponsorship revenue" then spend only £70m net
"We will look for a director of football before hiring a permanent manager" then don't appoint a DoF
"Jose Mourinho represents Utd's future as he signs a new deal" then spend only £70m net the following summer
However he's dealing with a bloated and overpaid squad, and a board that's almost bipolar in their decisions.
"We're happy to announce record profits and record sponsorship revenue" then spend only £70m net
"We will look for a director of football before hiring a permanent manager" then don't appoint a DoF
"Jose Mourinho represents Utd's future as he signs a new deal" then spend only £70m net the following summer
Some of you blame the board over signings then simultaneously blame Ole it doesn’t make sense.
Ole can only work with what he has. He’s not going to criticise the club or transfer policy publicly, why should he? He may not be happy privately, you don’t know. Put your blame on the board this has nothing to do with Ole.
Ole can only work with what he has. He’s not going to criticise the club or transfer policy publicly, why should he? He may not be happy privately, you don’t know. Put your blame on the board this has nothing to do with Ole.
So Lampard's Chelsea can score against shit teams but apparently we need a couple of years?
I’m not really I feel that is the wrong man I hope to be proved wrong but the win rate also falls back on the board and owners big time
I just calculated it myself and it was 21% He was appointed permanently after the 2 losses vs Arsenal and Wolves.
Still relegation form though.
Still relegation form though.
Bunch of knee jerks. Seriously get a grip
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A challenge to Ole's authority?
I am willing to give him time, but he's had the whole of this year and some of last December. There should be evidence of the positive changes he is making by this point, and to be honest it is quite hard to pinpoint what those changes are.
He has been very vocal about having an identity, being fitter, being hardworking, using players who want to actually play. It all sounds good, but it's all just words. The problem is that when it comes to the actual reality:
- Our performances are little different to under Jose. Last week a team sits off us and we looked dissinterested, clueless, and devoid of life. Concede a pathetic goal and end up losing. This week a team presses us and it's the same old story of getting the lead then trying to sit on it for 60+ minutes, to the point we actually stop playing football entirely. We sit back and defend but then don't even defend competently.
- We STILL have not bothered to sort out our weaknesses with set pieces and balls into the box. This is quite unbelievable. It has reached a point where it is just blatantly unprofessional. It is costing us games. We are a professional football team who's job it is to be as good as possible at football, and we do not bother to practice the most basic fundamental of that. If Ole isn't going to sort out stuff like this it isn't even worth worrying aboout whether he can sort out anything else. You wouldn't expect a driving inspector to teach you how to drive if they repeatedly ignore the fact you don't know the basic rules.
- He's deliberatelly left himself short of goalscorers. I have no idea why. He must have had some say in it. What is the plan?
- He's now let Smalling leave but on the evidence of this season so far, Lindelof is a liability.
- In general, he's been here long enoughto know the strengths of his players now...but he is playing Pogba in the same role that Mourinho and the rest of us have already spent over 2 years learning he can't play in. He's left himself short of forward players and then is wasting one of his best ones in a defensive role that they aren't even very good at.
I mean, we're 4 games into the season,, but these are all things that are quite alarming to me, because they just shouldn't be happening at this point. It's not really an opinion anymore that Pogba is better used further forwards, or that we need to woork on set pieces. These are just thing that anyone who watches our games, knows. They are things that from a manager's perspective, are actually relatively obvious, and relatively easy to sort out and offer easy wins or gains in terms of showing an actual improvement. If the obvious things are being ignored then it is much more likely to get worse than better. You can't repair a house if you can't even figure out where the damage is, even when it's blatantly staring you in the face.
He has been very vocal about having an identity, being fitter, being hardworking, using players who want to actually play. It all sounds good, but it's all just words. The problem is that when it comes to the actual reality:
- Our performances are little different to under Jose. Last week a team sits off us and we looked dissinterested, clueless, and devoid of life. Concede a pathetic goal and end up losing. This week a team presses us and it's the same old story of getting the lead then trying to sit on it for 60+ minutes, to the point we actually stop playing football entirely. We sit back and defend but then don't even defend competently.
- We STILL have not bothered to sort out our weaknesses with set pieces and balls into the box. This is quite unbelievable. It has reached a point where it is just blatantly unprofessional. It is costing us games. We are a professional football team who's job it is to be as good as possible at football, and we do not bother to practice the most basic fundamental of that. If Ole isn't going to sort out stuff like this it isn't even worth worrying aboout whether he can sort out anything else. You wouldn't expect a driving inspector to teach you how to drive if they repeatedly ignore the fact you don't know the basic rules.
- He's deliberatelly left himself short of goalscorers. I have no idea why. He must have had some say in it. What is the plan?
- He's now let Smalling leave but on the evidence of this season so far, Lindelof is a liability.
- In general, he's been here long enoughto know the strengths of his players now...but he is playing Pogba in the same role that Mourinho and the rest of us have already spent over 2 years learning he can't play in. He's left himself short of forward players and then is wasting one of his best ones in a defensive role that they aren't even very good at.
I mean, we're 4 games into the season,, but these are all things that are quite alarming to me, because they just shouldn't be happening at this point. It's not really an opinion anymore that Pogba is better used further forwards, or that we need to woork on set pieces. These are just thing that anyone who watches our games, knows. They are things that from a manager's perspective, are actually relatively obvious, and relatively easy to sort out and offer easy wins or gains in terms of showing an actual improvement. If the obvious things are being ignored then it is much more likely to get worse than better. You can't repair a house if you can't even figure out where the damage is, even when it's blatantly staring you in the face.
He would do well in a walking football team
Regarding the topic, why shoud we highlight his record after being permanent?
Sensationalism at its best to be honest.
Sensationalism at its best to be honest.
This nonsense again. Who do you think spends the fecking money badly? Buying certain players too expensively then not having enough money to get all needed players in a window?
Nah he just liked it by accident
Like Moyes never left.
'Lampard's Chelsea' being the team that finished 3rd and won the Europa league last season?
Ok his record since he took over is 33 games is still less than moyes over his 33 games here
They came 3rd and won Europa League. They have a better squad than we do, even without Hazard.
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