The complete capitulation of Delli Ali - what happened to him?

[Fortitude]

Talk he's taken his eye of the ball and is intoxicated by the off the field stuff, but is that all there is to his tanking performance level over the last 18 months? He's actually a liability at Spurs for the time being, and his value on the market must surely have plummeted.

He's gone under the radar as far as stick in the media or even on forums, how come?

 

[horsechoker]

Being a cnut all the time takes its toll.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Yep it's very strange. Looked brilliant for a while (two seasons?) so I assume something personal has happened.

Edit: Could be injuries. He missed 20 games last season.

18/19 Fractured Hand Apr 10, 2019 Apr 15, 2019 5 days 1
18/19 Thigh Muscle Strain Jan 20, 2019 Mar 9, 2019 48 days 12
18/19 Hamstring Injury Sep 28, 2018 Oct 29, 2018 31 days 6
18/19 Hamstring Injury Sep 8, 2018 Sep 22, 2018 14 days 3

Let's get @SquishyMcSquish's perspective.

 

[dove]

Yet another overhyped English player. Surprise surprise.

 

[Le Red]

Time goes by and it's the same phenomenon again and again: brilliant young player with the wrong mindset implodes and never reaches full potential. At least he had a brilliant couple of seasons but I think that's it, I've never seen a player sink so low and then return to the previous levels.

 

[IrishMcD]

Yet another overhyped English player. Surprise surprise.

This

 

[Kostur]

Garbage and a cnut, bound to happen.

He was only overhyped because the 'he's a midfielder hurr durr' bullshit narrative was pushed by the Ingurlish media.

 

[rpitchfo]

Yet another overhyped English player. Surprise surprise.

Overhyped is a bit unfair. He actually delivered for a while.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Garbage and a cnut, bound to happen.

He was only overhyped because the 'he's a midfielder hurr durr' bullshit narrative was pushed by the Ingurlish media.

Not denying that but he did really well in his first three seasons. Fell off a cliff last year.

19/20: 0 goals / 0 assists
18/19: 5 goals / 3 assists
17/18: 9 goals / 10 assists
16/17: 18 goals / 7 assists
15/16: 10 goals / 9 assists

 

[SATA]

I would have him at United tomorrow rather than Fred and Matic in the team. He is actually a very good player but what was his off the pitch stuff about?

 

[Kostur]

Not denying that but he did really well in his first three seasons. Fell off a cliff last year.

19/20: 0 goals / 0 assists
18/19: 5 goals / 3 assists
17/18: 9 goals / 10 assists
16/17: 18 goals / 7 assists
15/16: 10 goals / 9 assists

Sure, was more referring to him playing more of a second striker rather than a midfielder.

Garbage cnut still applies though.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Yet another english player who thought he was better than he was & stopped working hard. When he was working his arse off he was a very good player at a very young age.

Our (England's) youngsters have a real problem with arrogance. Fair play to Sterling, wish more were like him.

 

[dbs235]

Yet another english player who thought he was better than he was & stopped working hard. When he was working his arse off he was a very good player at a very young age.

Our (England's) youngsters have a real problem with arrogance. Fair play to Sterling, wish more were like him.

Funny you mention Sterling. He went through the exact same thing. He was a laughing stock at times at the start of his Man City career, after being hyped to high heavens at Liverpool. Now look at him.

 

[VorZakone]

That role he had in a front 3 with Eriksen and Kane was his best season, 2016/17.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

To think, him and Lingard was the starting midfield at last year's World Cup...

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

People will lazily say he was just overrated, but he’s not just stalled he’s gone massively backwards.

The stats he were putting out would’ve been good for an in his prime second striker. Now he’s barely resembling a footballer, it’s one of the weirdest declines I’ve seen in a while.

Injuries + the team as a whole being poor have obviously contributed but he’s looking particularly shite amidst all that. At a time when we really need him to be on it.

Agree with others in this thread that his ability went to his head a bit. It all happened very quickly for him and he got a bit comfortable and didn’t develop, and now stuff he tries isn’t coming off he doesn’t really look motivated to change in any way.

Another one imo who needs a new manager. Quite a few players in our squad have stalled in terms of their development.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

When he burst on the scene he looked like a Lampard/Gerrard style player. Big, strong and inventive. He now looks a shadow of that, real waste of talent.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

To think, him and Lingard was the starting midfield at last year's World Cup...

A team that got to the semi finals...

 

[AOAARON]

In his prime seasons, I still didn't see the quality in him to put him in the territory of Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes et al.

As good as his numbers were in his first two seasons, I don't think they reflected how good he is in regards to talent. I think his current 2 seasons or so have reflected what he's generally capable of.

 

[Rozay]

A team that got to the semi finals...

Via the back door.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Hyperbolic thread in the extreme. His numbers were excellent for his first 3 seasons and he’s had a couple of bad seasons, it happens to loads of players and they come back. Maybe he won’t come back but to call it a ‘complete capitulation’ when he’s 23 is just silly.

 

[TwoSheds]

He was playing with a world class (no9) Kane and Eriksen, he was trying much harder, and he was in good form. He was also massively over hyped by people who thought his numbers were amazing because he was a midfielder when in reality he was playing as a forward. He will be very lucky to get back to his previous level.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

Maybe an element the Pochettino effect?

An assumption that a manager with a reputation of developing young players was thought to have produced this star. Too many people felt he’d made it.

In reality he did well early for a manager who was enjoying a rich period.

Has reality settled in for both?

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Yet another overhyped English player. Surprise surprise.

Because foreign players aren't overrated.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

To think, him and Lingard was the starting midfield at last year's World Cup...

They started because they were good enough. Regardless of what people say about the run England had, they were part of a team that got to the semi-finals. The both are in really bad form at the moment and lacking confidence.

 

[charlenefan]

I would have him at United tomorrow rather than Fred and Matic in the team. He is actually a very good player but what was his off the pitch stuff about?

No he's not. He's utter garbage these days. Not quite as garbage as Lingard but certainly not far off him

 

[Annihilate Now!]

They started because they were good enough. Regardless of what people say about the run England had, they were part of a team that got to the semi-finals. The both are in really bad form at the moment and lacking confidence.

Agreed... My point (that I didn't actually state) was about the fall from grace they both had.

Was going to start a thread about it the other day, but figured it would just turn into a Lingard bashing thread

 

[Copa Mundial]

Maybe it's down to injuries but he really is in incredibly poor form at the moment.

 

[Irrational.]

Couldn't happen to a more dickheadish player. I remember when some Spurs fans were talking him up as some kind of global midfield phenomenon because he had a freak season playing up front.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Couldn't happen to a more dickheadish player. I remember when some Spurs fans were talking him up as some kind of global midfield phenomenon because he had a freak season playing up front.

He had 3 great seasons, not one, and at no point was he playing up front. He played just behind Kane as an attacking midfielder.

 

[charlenefan]

He had 3 great seasons, not one, and at no point was he playing up front. He played just behind Kane as an attacking midfielder.

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The decline clearly started in 17/18 when he finished with roughly half the amount of goals he did the year before. Not saying he was as bad as he is now but you can't say he had 3 great seasons when season number 3 his productivity went down by 50% (more or less)

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

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The decline clearly started in 17/18 when he finished with roughly half the amount of goals he did the year before. Not saying he was as bad as he is now but you can't say he had 3 great seasons when season number 3 his productivity went down by 50% (more or less)

9 goals 10 assists in the league and 2 goals 4 assists in the CL is a very decent season for a young attacking midfielder.

He had 3 very good PL seasons.

 

[kidbob]

It's like he signed for United.

 

[charlenefan]

9 goals 10 assists in the league and 2 goals 4 assists in the CL is a very decent season for a young attacking midfielder.

He had 3 very good PL seasons.

Ok so I'm getting you down from great to very good, if I say something else will you lower your assessment of his seasons even more?

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Ok so I'm getting you down from great to very good, if I say something else will you lower your assessment of his seasons even more?

Are great and very good that far apart?

He dropped off a bit in 17/18 but was clearly still effective. To go from that to absolute shite in 18/19 was a huge drop off. His goal scoring went down a bit in 17/18 but he also dropped deeper and was picking up more assists.

He’s just a nothing player at the moment.

 

[1950]

9 goals 10 assists in the league and 2 goals 4 assists in the CL is a very decent season for a young attacking midfielder.

He had 3 very good PL seasons.

For a hanging forward that doesn't excel at much besides end product, I would call that merely good. He's had one great season.

And he's clearly not a traditional midfielder, at least not a capable one.

I hope he slowly declines himself right out of the Premier League, the utter dickhead.

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

Imagine if he was playing like that for us!

 

[darko]

Overhyped is a bit unfair. He actually delivered for a while.

Some compared him to Messi. I'd say that is way overhyped.

 

[Ødegaard]

Couldn't have happened to a bigger cnut. He is up there with the worst people in football in my eyes.
Hope he turns to absolute shit and goes down into obscurity, only to be remembered when talking about some of the nastiest dirtbags to play football.

 

[Jibbs]

Dele Alli, Rashford and Lingard are three of the most over-hyped English players of current generation. Thankfully England do have quality up front in the form of Kane, Sterling and Sancho.