Internationals October (Euro Qualifiers + Friendlies)

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This ref.. 4 minutes of added time for constant timewasting with minutes at a time where 0 football was being played. Then 1 minute of the 4 gets played, stops a counter in the last minute to book a player and ends the game while we're crossing it to the box :lol:

Ukrainian players literally faking injuries and getting up to play while the ball gets near them ffs..

Still, they play very good football and the spells of possession with 10 men was very impressive. Should have been a draw here though, now we're 100% going to feck up qualification.
Nah, don’t worry. You’ll stroll the rest of the matches.
 

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Do you think you guys should play a striker ahead of him? maybe thats where he should play from now on.
They always do these days with either son / moura. That’s mainly why deli alli has fallen away.
 

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Feels like the usual for France off late.
Yeah, the players injured aren't replaced(Hernandez earlier and currently Mbappé, Pogba and Kanté) with the same quality which makes the naturally defensive setup absolutely dull.
 

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Why doesn’t Ricardo Perreira get a game for Portugal?
I agree. Considering Cancelo is not playing for Man City and Nelson Semedo has not shown anything to prove he is better I would prefer Ricardo. Especially because of his versatility to play further up the pitch same with Guerreiro. When we are losing I would drop Danilo back with the center backs to form a 3 man backline and Ricardo and Rafael Guerreiro would play in the LM and RM position pushing everyone else up the pitch and creating a high press.
 

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Why doesn’t Ricardo Perreira get a game for Portugal?
He was bad at the World Cup defensively and Santos lost trust in him. Semedo has been great since the Nations League and has fully earned his spot, was one of the best today too.

Cancelo and Semedo are probably better than Ricardo, we have a bunch of great right backs but no leftbacks and have to play Guerreiro there who is a defensive liability.
 

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This ref.. 4 minutes of added time for constant timewasting with minutes at a time where 0 football was being played. Then 1 minute of the 4 gets played, stops a counter in the last minute to book a player and ends the game while we're crossing it to the box :lol:

These games are so frustrating to watch when you're on this side. Ukrainian players literally faking injuries and getting up to play while the ball gets near them ffs..

Still, they play very good football and the spells of possession with 10 men was very impressive. Should have been a draw here though, now we're 100% going to feck up qualification.
Do you not qualify automatically as a result of being the holders?

edit: and also winning the Nations League.
 

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Felix has been horrible for Portugal. He just prances around the pitch and offers nothing not even as a passing outlet. Needs to find his form because this is atrocious.
He's been terrible for Atleti as well. He really should have chosen a better club to go to.
 

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Do you think you guys should play a striker ahead of him? maybe thats where he should play from now on.
We have tried with Lucas but if we had an out and out striker ahead of him it could be interesting. Kane, Ndombelle and Winks/GLC could work but I still miss Kane from a year or 2 ago and play as a striker. He seems to be following how Ronney was used.
 

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He was bad at the World Cup defensively and Santos lost trust in him. Semedo has been great since the Nations League and has fully earned his spot, was one of the best today too.

Cancelo and Semedo are probably better, we have a bunch of great right backs but no leftbacks and have to play Guerreiro there who is a defensive liability.
Can't complain about the ref when he gives you a soft pen and sends him off on top of that.
 

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Do you think you guys should play a striker ahead of him? maybe thats where he should play from now on.
He's been playing that role for ages already, despite his nominal position, for both England and Spurs. Neither team has a better playmaker or finisher so he gets pushed into trying to be both a striker and to drop deeper to create things.

Shame it takes a game like this for some people to recognise his elite all round attributes.
 

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Portugal won't mess up qualification given their matches but as always, they'll take the hardest path possible.
 

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He's been terrible for Atleti as well. He really should have chosen a better club to go to.
I don't want to say I told you (by you I mean everyone) so because it is still early but.....I'll keep waiting before I say something.
 

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They always do these days with either son / moura. That’s mainly why deli alli has fallen away.
Yeah but they more or less come from a wide position where as someone who would really stick ahead of him and occupy central defenders would probably help more.
 

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He's only a kid. Probably should have stayed where he was and developed more.
He's a kid yes but I just don't find Simeone the greatest coach for these attackers. With the kind of football they play, this never felt like the best move for him.
 

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Do you not qualify automatically as a result of being the holders?

edit: and also winning the Nations League.
Can anyone clarify this? I am beyond confused as to hoe qualification works this year. Is 2nd place playoffs? What did nations league do? Help?!:houllier::lol::nervous:
 

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He's been playing that role for ages already, despite his nominal position, for both England and Spurs. Neither team has a better playmaker or finisher so he gets pushed into trying to be both a striker and to drop deeper to create things.

Shame it takes a game like this for some people to recognise his elite all round attributes.
110% agree, his assists today were outstanding but all most people said on here was “what a finish”.
 

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Posted this after the Czech game and now it seems more evidently true than ever (although Sterling was good tonight):

To be fair, that was just great goalkeeping. Kane's first touch to take it round the keeper was good but Vaclik read the situation extremely well. If Vaclik hadn't positioned himself right in front of Kane, denying him any kind of angle, it would've been a tap in for a world class finisher. I suspect the only way Kane could've scored with Vaclik rushing out smartly would've been to take the shot on first time, which would've made it more of a half-chance.

And that leads me into a bit of a ramble, not necessarily aimed at you but using your post as a launchpad...

Kane should've done better with the air shot but that's the only big chance he had apart from the pen IMO. It's forgivable because he was so involved in the rest of our attacking play. It wasn't like one of the recent qualifiers where Sterling was doing the build-up and Kane just had to be clinical (which, to be fair, he was). Every threatening move we had tonight started with Kane or otherwise went through him. The pen came from an inch-perfect first time ball into the path of Sterling.

Kane might have been nominally (or numerically, hm) our 9 but he was playing a sort of CAM role, as he very often does for Southgate, with two or even all three of the line "behind" him more advanced in possession. After it became obvious that our forward pipeline was broken, match conditions forced him to drop even deeper, essentially into central midfield, which has been a common pseudo-tactical (mis)use of Kane for a long time now. Him dropping incredibly deep to see any ball has been a far too frequent sight for far too long.

Kane's hold-up and playmaking are superior to that of most players so he gets put further back in the forward pipeline, despite it not being his native or strongest position, to compensate for the shortcomings of others. This happens in the ailing Spurs diamond all the time: the formation only benefits Son playing on the shoulder of the last defender, while Kane is out of his ideal position and made to build from deep. That's the curse of being very good at most aspects of football. I've called it the paradox of Kane: ideally, both Spurs and England would want a clone of Kane creating for Kane but whilst cloning is not included in FIFA's Laws of the Game, managers have to make a decision over which Kane they want or need most.

Unfortunately, managers tend to be greedy with their best players and both Southgate and Poch sometimes seem to want to have their cake and eat it too. Sometimes it almost seems like they make cardinal mistakes of football fans in thinking they can give their main goalscorer a playmaking role and still reap their main goalscorer's bounty of goals. It's a simple yet apparently oft-forgotten notion that the guy who starts your attacks is rarely going to be the guy finishing them, and - as tonight's performance perfectly illustrates - both are equally important, despite the headlines.

I've recently spotted a common mistake of expecting Kane to still score like he did when he was a pure 9 allowed to stay relatively fixed against the back line with a team capable of servicing him there. He no longer has either of those things at Spurs or at England, so he has to play a grab bag of roles and positions from striker to CM. The benchmark for a good Kane performance has changed accordingly and now it's much more subtle: at the moment, he's doing a bit of everything and the majority of what he does is just not high-impact CF play anymore. His selfish days are long gone - a lot of Spurs supporters actually want him to be more selfish - and in struggling teams, he makes everyone around him look better at his own expense. I firmly believe that a lot of people won't fully understand what Kane does for both of his teams until after a long-term absence (e.g. most of a season) when the sample size will be there to bear out the difference with sufficient statistical power.

Regardless, even on a night like tonight, where Kane's elite passing variety, accuracy, and vision was on full display in a manner obvious to anyone looking for his contributions, some will look only to a missed chance as the sum of his game, because that's what he used to be and, by number, putative position and reputation, still is -- even though he's not.
 

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He's a kid yes but I just don't find Simeone the greatest coach for these attackers. With the kind of football they play, this never felt like the best move for him.
Hopefully this is a lesson on why you dont throw "126M" at a 19 year old with 6 months of pro football to his name where he has proven near nothing.
 

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Well said from this guy, the media shouldn’t just jump on Bulgaria when we have problems at home, I include my own team in this.
 

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We were so feckin bad it was actually funny.. Balakov needs to resign asap. It's amazing how all of our heroes from USA 94 as players like Stoichkov, Penev, Hubchev and Balakov failed hard as a managers. Mihaylov, Kostadinov and Lechkov has failed as officials too. :lol:
 

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Hopefully this is a lesson on why you dont throw "126M" at a 19 year old with 6 months of pro football to his name where he has proven near nothing.
I've honestly not watched enough of him before his move to have any opinion on him but he'd surely have done better in a more attacking setup under a more attacking coach. Felix and Simeone just don't feel the perfect fit.
 

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Who are these racist Bulgarians? Part of ultras or just a bunch of wallys off the street?
 

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Do you think you guys should play a striker ahead of him? maybe thats where he should play from now on.
I don't think we need to have a striker ahead of him. What we need is what England has, two wide men like rashford/sterling/sancho who come in narrow and offer dangerous runs off the ball. Right now there's too little movement around Kane and the diamond means we're super fecking predictable.

Kane in a striker role dropping a bit deeper and finding Son/Lucas (or a new wide player) could be great. But we need to sort out behind him because Eriksen's on his holidays. The midfield tonight was a fantastic platform for Kane.

I'd love to see Lo Celso/Ndombele/Winks behind him. Very offensive and we would ship goals without a proper DM, but I could see that being exciting to watch and would end the sideways passing fest we've been treated to for so long. We could be similar to Liverpool pre-Fabinho where we're a serious offensive threat but lack that stability, which I think most of our fans would absolutely be fine with till the summer.

We need genuine fullback play too, because they were really important in offering runs off the ball tonight too. And unfortunately Rose/Aurier just aren't doing that whatsoever .. one man who was tonight was Trippier, but we went and got rid and didn't replace.
 

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Can anyone clarify this? I am beyond confused as to hoe qualification works this year. Is 2nd place playoffs? What did nations league do? Help?!:houllier::lol::nervous:
First 2 qualify automatically = 20 places
4 places up for playoffs

I started reading the rules on UEFA.com, and honestly couldn't follow along. So convoluted.
 

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I've honestly not watched enough of him before his move to have any opinion on him but he'd surely have done better in a more attacking setup under a more attacking coach. Felix and Simeone just don't feel the perfect fit.
He should of stayed 1 more season in Portugal. He is too raw and all this move (potentially) did was feck up his development. The kid is talented but he fecked up leaving this soon.
 

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110% agree, his assists today were outstanding but all most people said on here was “what a finish”.
It's how it works. Hattrick of assists but a goal gets more attention if you're a striker.

Kane's all round game has improved superbly over the last couple of seasons, but if he's not the one scoring goals the credit isn't there and you'll get shite like 'all he does is score pens' even when he's been class all game.
 

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Posted this after the Czech game and now it seems more evidently true than ever (although Sterling was good tonight):
Was a good post. I agree, Kane is a fantastic player. I said earlier too, him and Sterling are a joy to watch. Its really great to watch England going forward these days (Friday's game seemed to be an exception).
 

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First 2 qualify automatically = 20 places
4 places up for playoffs

I started reading the rules on UEFA.com, and honestly couldn't follow along. So convoluted.
So who enters the Playoffs then? Third place?
 

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It's how it works. Hattrick of assists but a goal gets more attention if you're a striker.

Kane's all round game has improved superbly over the last couple of seasons, but if he's not the one scoring goals the credit isn't there and you'll get shite like 'all he does is score pens' even when he's been class all game.
Agreed it’s why selfishly I want to see him how he was 2 seasons ago.
 

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