Woodward, Glazers....

[red thru&thru]

Let's face it, they will use us for PR and make us a prominent figure in world football.

What about if the Saudis are trying to change? After all, they are already at the club and in many other companies that a lot of people use.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

I get what you are saying but it's not like the club will be using their money as the club can generate a lot of money to use when it's not saddled with debt, dividends and payoffs. But like City and PSG being used as a positive marketing tool will probably work up to a certain degree.

I would say that there are some differences between Saudi Arabia and Qatar/UAE, or the two latter Countries got extremely good PR machines. And it is not an issue about money, but when every victory or title can be seen as a legitimatization of human rights violations or butchering of humans...

 

[Fosu-Mens]

What about if the Saudis are trying to change? After all, they are already at the club and in many other companies that a lot of people use.

They will not.
https://www.theglobalist.com/understanding-saudi-arabia-the-legitimacy-paradox/

 

[dev1l]

Let's face it, they will use us for PR and make us a prominent figure in world football.

What about if the Saudis are trying to change? After all, they are already at the club and in many other companies that a lot of people use.

Change? If they want to change they can start by stopping the atrocities at home and by their supporters in Yemen.
The Wolf is trying to change its clothes...

 

[arthurka]

I would say that there are some differences between Saudi Arabia and Qatar/UAE, or the two latter Countries got extremely good PR machines. And it is not an issue about money, but when every victory or title can be seen as a legitimatization of human rights violations or butchering of humans...

I agree with you can't see them changing much after buying Utd or maybe they would need to coming under more scrutiny after the purchase, but your points stands anyway.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

I agree with you can't see them changing much after buying Utd or maybe they would need to coming under more scrutiny after the purchase, but your points stands anyway.

Fans that want the Saudis in should read up on the house of Saud, or simply stay ignorant as City supports do with their owners.

 

[IrishMcD]

As much as I'd love to see these rat faced, blood suckers gone from our club and new owners coming in and putting Woodward in his place, I genuinely can not see this happening in anyway whatsoever. I fear we are stuck with the Glazers for another 10years minimum. By God, I hope I'm wrong and a sale is in the pipeline.

 

[Tincanalley]

I expect most decent Manchester United football Supporters here in the Caf and in the ground would turn the back on the club if they were taken over by the Saudi regime. I certainly will.

 

[Andersonson]

If the saudies bought us I would stop following the club. Human rights is much more important to me.

I actually think most of us would walk out on the club if this happend. Atleast I hope so

 

[Ballache]

Not ideal, but I wouldn't stop supporting the club.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Do you not think the Sheikh has had people 'disappear' in his time in the UAE?

Qataris at PSG I think we all know are corrupt as hell.

Do you not think Abramovich is dodgy as hell? Heck wasn't he desperate to get his money out of Russia to start with?

New flash......billionaires aren't all like Bill Gates sadly. I'd much prefer someone like that bought the club over the Saudis but doesn't seem like he's interested guys.

Under the Glazers we are done. No more titles. No more CL's. We'll be back to being also rans. Not like they are decent people either is it? They have left us in huge debt, a debt that wasn't the clubs own doing. Feck them and bring on the Saudis. If he clears the debt and actually puts the best people in charge of the club we can build our empire back up.

 

[arthurka]

Do you not think the Sheikh has had people 'disappear' in his time in the UAE?

Qataris at PSG I think we all know are corrupt as hell.

Do you not think Abramovich is dodgy as hell? Heck wasn't he desperate to get his money out of Russia to start with?

New flash......billionaires aren't all like Bill Gates sadly. I'd much prefer someone like that bought the club over the Saudis but doesn't seem like he's interested guys.

Under the Glazers we are done. No more titles. No more CL's. We'll be back to being also rans. Not like they are decent people either is it? They have left us in huge debt, a debt that wasn't the clubs own doing. Feck them and bring on the Saudis. If he clears the debt and actually puts the best people in charge of the club we can build our empire back up.

So people getting decapitated and tortured doesn't trump winning trophies?

 

[Scotty McT]

Do you not think the Sheikh has had people 'disappear' in his time in the UAE?

Qataris at PSG I think we all know are corrupt as hell.

Do you not think Abramovich is dodgy as hell? Heck wasn't he desperate to get his money out of Russia to start with?

New flash......billionaires aren't all like Bill Gates sadly. I'd much prefer someone like that bought the club over the Saudis but doesn't seem like he's interested guys.

Under the Glazers we are done. No more titles. No more CL's. We'll be back to being also rans. Not like they are decent people either is it? They have left us in huge debt, a debt that wasn't the clubs own doing. Feck them and bring on the Saudis. If he clears the debt and actually puts the best people in charge of the club we can build our empire back up.

The level of whataboutism in this post is quite something.

Sure, the Saudis chop up journalists but the Glazers aren't exactly decent people either.

Really?

 

[red thru&thru]

They will not.
https://www.theglobalist.com/understanding-saudi-arabia-the-legitimacy-paradox/

I've watch the house of Saud on bbc. I have a good indication on what they are. I said previously that I'm a bit split on these guys owning us but is Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg or any other non state billionaire interested in buying us?

If Saudis buy United, they will have more focus on them. They will be scrutinised even more. I'm guessing they may want to double think about the things they do, if they buy us.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

The level of whataboutism in this post is quite something.

Sure, the Saudis chop up journalists but the Glazers aren't exactly decent people either.

Really?

Do you not think there's people buried in the desert in the UAE who maybe stepped out of line? Or in Qatar? Of course there will be. The world is a fecked up place ,I don't know if you've noticed. Don't see City and PSG fans running to the hills and crying Human rights! Look at how many workers have died in Qatar building the stadia for the world cup they stole with bribes.

There's no morals left in football sadly.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

I've watch the house of Saud on bbc. I have a good indication on what they are. I said previously that I'm a bit split on these guys owning us but is Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg or any other non state billionaire interested in buying us?

If Saudis buy United, they will have more focus on them. They will be scrutinised even more. I'm guessing they may want to double think about the things they do, if they buy us.

Hopefully, you are right, but given the "symbiotic" relationship between the house of Saud and the religious leaders are I doubt it. Both institutions are fearful of people getting more rights, information. If the people are not afraid of the consequences of speaking up against the regime, then the two institutions got no basis for power.

 

[Crustanoid]

If they get the club it will be down to the Glazers. The Glazers will be accessories to sport washing.

 

[Scotty McT]

Do you not think there's people buried in the desert in the UAE who maybe stepped out of line? Or in Qatar? Of course there will be. The world is a fecked up place ,I don't know if you've noticed. Don't see City and PSG fans running to the hills and crying Human rights! Look at how many workers have died in Qatar building the stadia for the world cup they stole with bribes.

There's no morals left in football sadly.

And I'm sure there are PSG and City fans who stopped supporting their clubs after they got taken over by them. I'm personally not going to watch the 2022 World Cup.

Surely you can see that saying the Glazers are also bad people is a bit ridiculous when discussing a regime that kills people.

 

[MrPooni]

Do you not think the Sheikh has had people 'disappear' in his time in the UAE?

Qataris at PSG I think we all know are corrupt as hell.

Do you not think Abramovich is dodgy as hell? Heck wasn't he desperate to get his money out of Russia to start with?

New flash......billionaires aren't all like Bill Gates sadly. I'd much prefer someone like that bought the club over the Saudis but doesn't seem like he's interested guys.

Under the Glazers we are done. No more titles. No more CL's. We'll be back to being also rans. Not like they are decent people either is it? They have left us in huge debt, a debt that wasn't the clubs own doing. Feck them and bring on the Saudis. If he clears the debt and actually puts the best people in charge of the club we can build our empire back up.

I find your ever expanding fixation on defending the current Saudi regime based on nowt but a few clickbaity takeover headlines quite disturbing. Hoping it's just a juvenile phase that you'll eventually grow out of as you develop as a person.

 

[Steve Bruce]

Not ideal, but I wouldn't stop supporting the club.

Exactly. Owners come and go but I support united not the personalities behind it.

Ideally we would get Bill Gates and he pours half his fortune into us, but life's not perfect.

When I go to Old Trafford, I think about the team and the match, not the owners or Woodward.

 

[Mainoldo]

If the saudies bought us I would stop following the club. Human rights is much more important to me.

I actually think most of us would walk out on the club if this happend. Atleast I hope so

Pardon my ignorance. But I supported Manchester United for football reasons only. So I don’t understand why so much people are in uproar over non football matters. We are not a cult. We are a ‘football club’.

 

[Mainoldo]

And I'm sure there are PSG and City fans who stopped supporting their clubs after they got taken over by them. I'm personally not going to watch the 2022 World Cup.

Surely you can see that saying the Glazers are also bad people is a bit ridiculous when discussing a regime that kills people.

Do you believe Abramovich is not a gangster? Do you believe the owners of half of the big industries didn’t start of from being involved in some crud? You’re favourite restaurant owner was probably on crud too. I find it funny everyone’s a politician over football ownership..

 

[VJ1762]

I was watching a video on MBS, and apparently he brought a Da Vinci painting for 500 million dollars . The net worth of that family is 1 trillion dollars. How the feck can anyone have that much money?

 

[RG 11]

Not ideal, but I wouldn't stop supporting the club.

I would not directly support the club (haven't done it under Glazers either) like buying Man United merchandise / following united on social media etc and I'm too far away from Manchester to be at the stadium but I know if I'll be able to stop following United.

It's through United that I love watching football. I'm rarely interested in watching non United games apart from Euros / World Cups.

 

[Rood]

And I'm sure there are PSG and City fans who stopped supporting their clubs after they got taken over by them. I'm personally not going to watch the 2022 World Cup.

Surely you can see that saying the Glazers are also bad people is a bit ridiculous when discussing a regime that kills people.

I doubt it - and what does it mean to stop supporting the club anyway? Are you going to support someone else or what exactly?

I wouldn't be happy if the Saudis took over but I can't think of anything that will ever stop me supporting this club

 

[Andersonson]

Pardon my ignorance. But I supported Manchester United for football reasons only. So I don’t understand why so much people are in uproar over non football matters. We are not a cult. We are a ‘football club’.

So you would get behind that kind of ownership? The values of the club etc would be totally gone. For me, the club wouldnt be the same at all. I keep human lives higher than football

 

[Flytan]

I mean I wish a non-war-crime ridden owner would buy us as well but realistically it won't happen. I doubt there's a single person capable of buying United that is actually clean from any sort of controversy. Most prospective owners would have to do financial maneuvering similar to the Glazers anyways which wouldn't really change anything. I'd rather the Glazers keep the club rather than the Saudis but I wouldn't start boycotting/abandoning the club.

 

[minoo-utd]

We will not be moving forward with these cnuts at charge, one year with those Saudis equal like 5 6 years with the glazers.

 

[RUCK4444]

We won’t find a businessman with 4 billion to throw at buying the club, unfortunately it is likely to therefore have an owner like the Saudi royal family.

Any businessman spending that amount would want to recoup that plus a huge return on that risky outlay.

I think it’s ridiculous that people would stop supporting the club, it would be pointless and affect nothing for a start, secondly any new major atrocities would be heavily covered and no doubt protested about at OT. You would affect it more by remaining loyal and voicing your opinion at their lack of human rights.

 

[RUCK4444]

So people getting decapitated and tortured doesn't trump winning trophies?

That’s just it, we wouldn’t be winning trophies as a direct consequence of human rights atrocities!

We have been winning trophies for decades and generate enough of our own money to sustain ourselves provided any owner frees us from the debt and huge dividend payments. It’s totally different to when City were taken over and paid their way from nobodies to champions.

Why does the owner of the club affect anything? I just find it ridiculous, I mean does anybody really talk at length about City or PSG owners?

United is a feckin footballing institution, it exists on its own volition regardless of who ‘owns’ the brand. Ultimately any football club is only as strong as it’s fanbase, that’s the lifeblood of any club.

 

[Scotty McT]

Do you believe Abramovich is not a gangster? Do you believe the owners of half of the big industries didn’t start of from being involved in some crud? You’re favourite restaurant owner was probably on crud too. I find it funny everyone’s a politician over football ownership..

It's not about what I believe. It's a fact that someone went into the Saudi embassy and ended up getting chopped to pieces. My favourite restaurant owner probably doesn't cut people to pieces. I'm not sure what Abramovich has to do with me. He doesn't own the club I support. If you have evidence that he or anyone else chops people up contact 999.

I doubt it - and what does it mean to stop supporting the club anyway? Are you going to support someone else or what exactly?

I wouldn't be happy if the Saudis took over but I can't think of anything that will ever stop me supporting this club

I probably would just stop following professional football altogether. I'm not interested in supporting a club that's being used to increase the soft power of a regime that I'm vehemently opposed to. I'm sure you could imagine a few things if you put your mind to it. I hate to invoke Godwin's law but would you have continued supporting United if Hitler took over the club? If so, what if he changed the club logo to a swastika? And secured us a sponsorship with Mein Kampf?

I think most people would draw a line somewhere when it comes to who owns us. It just happens that the line I've drawn includes being owned by the Saudi state, a place where I'd be met with the death penalty simply for existing, were I born there.

 

[Will Singh]

One of the few potential owners that would make me evaluate my support for the club. With our current owners, the idea behind the club is to make money, and that is somewhat fair. If we are bought by the Saudis then we will become a sports washing tool for one of the worst regimes in the world today, and even if we end up becoming competitive again... Every trophy would be soiled on the basis that the intention was not to win it for the fans but to improve a tyrannical regimes reputation in the western world.
I have nothing against the average person from Saudi Arabia, 99,9% of them are surely decent people. The issue is the people at the top and their non-secular state and what they do or don't.

I agree with you up to a point, Saudi's regime is regarded the worst and even the some of Islamic world doesn't agree with the royals. But policitics aside Saudi in the last few years has taken to sports as a whole I mean WWE and boxing is massive out there at the moment and entertainment seems to be at the top of there agenda. Can it be that the country wants to evole and give there people a better lifestyle?

 

[Un4givableB]

I expect most decent Manchester United football Supporters here in the Caf and in the ground would turn the back on the club if they were taken over by the Saudi regime. I certainly will.

The Devil could takeover Manchester United I'd still support the team.

 

[Scotty McT]

I agree with you up to a point, Saudi's regime is regarded the worst and even the some of Islamic world doesn't agree with the royals. But policitics aside Saudi in the last few years has taken to sports as a whole I mean WWE and boxing is massive out there at the moment and entertainment seems to be at the top of there agenda. Can it be that the country wants to evole and give there people a better lifestyle?

Maybe they should start with their backwards laws.

 

[SaintMuppet]

It's not about what I believe. It's a fact that someone went into the Saudi embassy and ended up getting chopped to pieces. My favourite restaurant owner probably doesn't cut people to pieces. I'm not sure what Abramovich has to do with me. He doesn't own the club I support. If you have evidence that he or anyone else chops people up contact 999.



I probably would just stop following professional football altogether. I'm not interested in supporting a club that's being used to increase the soft power of a regime that I'm vehemently opposed to. I'm sure you could imagine a few things if you put your mind to it. I hate to invoke Godwin's law but would you have continued supporting United if Hitler took over the club? If so, what if he changed the club logo to a swastika? And secured us a sponsorship with Mein Kampf?

I think most people would draw a line somewhere when it comes to who owns us. It just happens that the line I've drawn includes being owned by the Saudi state, a place where I'd be met with the death penalty simply for existing, were I born there.

Totally with you! My love affair with United is over 40 years old and I can see it ending soon but principles come first.

All beauty must die!!!

 

[red thru&thru]

So you would get behind that kind of ownership? The values of the club etc would be totally gone. For me, the club wouldnt be the same at all. I keep human lives higher than football

What are the values of the club?

 

[Son]

It’s shady no doubt. They would instantly make us the most feared club in the world for good reason imo. Going on the WWE shows in Saudi they put on some crazy spectacle’s that leave you scratching your head at the sheer madness of who they bring in and request etc.

My worry isn’t about United. We’ll be incredibly well looked after I assume, it’s the lobbying and buying of land by the Saudi government. Owning us they would be free to buy up tons of assets in Manchester for a start.

There has gotta be some ultimate plan for paying an extortionate amount of money to buy us and bankroll the club it makes no sense from a business perspective. None at all. We are just a football club we mean nothing to them in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Mainoldo]

It's not about what I believe. It's a fact that someone went into the Saudi embassy and ended up getting chopped to pieces. My favourite restaurant owner probably doesn't cut people to pieces. I'm not sure what Abramovich has to do with me. He doesn't own the club I support. If you have evidence that he or anyone else chops people up contact 999.



I probably would just stop following professional football altogether. I'm not interested in supporting a club that's being used to increase the soft power of a regime that I'm vehemently opposed to. I'm sure you could imagine a few things if you put your mind to it. I hate to invoke Godwin's law but would you have continued supporting United if Hitler took over the club? If so, what if he changed the club logo to a swastika? And secured us a sponsorship with Mein Kampf?

I think most people would draw a line somewhere when it comes to who owns us. It just happens that the line I've drawn includes being owned by the Saudi state, a place where I'd be met with the death penalty simply for existing, were I born there.

Watch YouTube football it’s quite entertaining (not even being funny). I can’t tell you how to feel but there has to be a point where you have to be realistic or consistent. I mean you probably have an iPhone which has been made through slave labour but because no one has been chopped up do you think it’s acceptable?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I find your ever expanding fixation on defending the current Saudi regime based on nowt but a few clickbaity takeover headlines quite disturbing. Hoping it's just a juvenile phase that you'll eventually grow out of as you develop as a person.

Defending them? Quite clearly not defending them. I don't condone what goes on in that country one bit. Just pointing out how fecked up the world is. Saudi Arabia aren't the only country without a moral compass. Many would argue the United States are just as bad With their war mongering etc.

But we are worth a fortune. Sadly it's mostly bad people who seemingly get THAT rich to be able to buy us.

Do you want the Glazers to stay? I can't wait till they feck off. They are destroying my club. I doubt the Saudis would want anything but the best if they bought it. Similarly to the attitude of Qatar and UAE owners at PSG n City.

Totally fine if people have a morale objection to it. Don't think anyone would stop supporting us though. I wouldn't.

 

[Ventura]

Defending them? Quite clearly not defending them. I don't condone what goes on in that country one bit. Just pointing out how fecked up the world is. Saudi Arabia aren't the only country without a moral compass. Many would argue the United States are just as bad With their war mongering etc.

But we are worth a fortune. Sadly it's mostly bad people who seemingly get THAT rich to be able to buy us.

Do you want the Glazers to stay? I can't wait till they feck off. They are destroying my club. I doubt the Saudis would want anything but the best if they bought it. Similarly to the attitude of Qatar and UAE owners at PSG n City.

Totally fine if people have a morale objection to it. Don't think anyone would stop supporting us though. I wouldn't.

So because "the world is fecked up", it doesn't matter if the worst regime in the world buys United? Really baffling logic. And you seem to imply that the US government currently own United, while it's actually some businesspeople from the US. The Saudi buyers are the ACTUAL government of Saudi Arabia, they are the ones who are directly responsible for every single atrocity committed by Saudi Arabia. They directly order all kinds of disgusting activities. The Glazers don't send US troops rampaging around the world. But because City and PSG (and Chelsea) have repulsive owners, it's OK if United have someone even worse. Your post can't be serious.