Zlatattack
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Saw this video on Tifo Football the other day, put a lot of emphasis on midfield creativity or lack of.
In attack, players act more to their instinct, and there are limits how much a manager can structure a team to score goals. In short, most goals are result of inspired moments of creativity from individuals.Without a system we are really just waiting on inspired moments of creativity from individuals. In short a manager without ideas is waiting on a squad of players with little creativity
Horseshit.In attack, players act more to their instinct, and there are limits how much a manager can structure a team to score goals. In short, most goals are result of inspired moments of creativity from individuals.
Yes my good man, Horse excrement indeed. Individual brilliance can multiply the effectiveness of a system but that's not to say the system isn't thereHorseshit.
Then your gargling in those excrements, my friend, as you seem to agree with me.Yes my good man, Horse excrement indeed. Individual brilliance can multiply the effectiveness of a system but that's not to say the system isn't there
I hardly believe because of poor coaching. It has been poor under Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and now Solskjær. Are they all poor coaches?I would ask why are Manchester United failing to create chances?
Poor coaching.
Agree with the analysis - the midfield two can’t play the ball between the lines at pace (hence Solskjær having tended to pick Pogba at the base rather than at #10)Saw this video on Tifo Football the other day, put a lot of emphasis on midfield creativity or lack of.
I agree with you. During the LvG era, when fans bemoaned how boring and static we were, compared to City, Thierry Henry sat on Sky Sports and explained how LvG and Guardiola’s systems were virtually identicalThen your gargling in those excrements, my friend, as you seem to agree with me.
You might have to clarify your position then. I fail to see what part of what I wrote agrees with your excrement. You say goals are a function of individual brilliance (to the exclusion of coaching/system), I say they are a function of both with a system being just as imoprtant if not moreThen your gargling in those excrements, my friend, as you seem to agree with me.
Exactly, and whenever Pogba has played deep, apart from probably the Rochdale game, we have looked a lot more creative and on average have had more shots. Imagine having a top class number 10 and winger in addition to that.Agree with the analysis - the midfield two can’t play the ball between the lines at pace (hence Solskjær having tended to pick Pogba at the base rather than at #10)
Also agree with the demolition of Mata - see my post’s from after the game on Thursday. The man is never in the right position and when he does receive the ball, totally kills any attacking momentum by going backwards
We lack creativity all over the pitch including our full backs. 23 assists from liverpool's full backs last season which is unbelievable. Shaw and AWB will never be capable of that.So in a nutshell:
- Our midfielders are not creative enough. Too many side and backwards passes.
- Set pieces not good enough. When they are, we don't take advantage.
- Relying on Maguire to be our creative source.
How do we fix this?
- Get midfielders who can pass a ball and take risks
- Get a set piece specialist
I said it´s limited (not the same as non existent) how much a manger can structure a team to score goals, which is in absolute agreement with your view that individual performances are most important. In general, I think there is are not much disagreement about that. You can set up a team to play in a certain way offensively, but in the decisive moments, players act to their instincts.You might have to clarify your position then. I fail to see what part of what I wrote agrees with your excrement. You say goals are a function of individual brilliance (to the exclusion of coaching/system), I say they are a function of both with a system being just as imoprtant if not more
Pretty much.I think we will look slightly better now Martial is back with Andreas in the middle, and even more so once Pogba is back. Wont solve all our problems, but there is a gulf in class between Martial, Pogba, maybe Maguire and the rest of the squad, and when either of them our out, let alone both, we are always going to struggle. The rest of the squad is top 10 at a push, and that's being nice.
Martial shouldn't be in the same bracket as Pogba. I find it so strange that he's put on the same level as him.I think we will look slightly better now Martial is back with Andreas in the middle, and even more so once Pogba is back. Wont solve all our problems, but there is a gulf in class between Martial, Pogba, maybe Maguire and the rest of the squad, and when either of them our out, let alone both, we are always going to struggle. The rest of the squad is top 10 at a push, and that's being nice.
I feel Pereira can work well as part of the squad and still only 23, love that he has a bite about him. The rest, agreed. Unlike most, I am willing to give this time, because Ole has left the squad thin, but perfect to start rebuilding and adding to it. Add a solid 6 next to Pogba (if we persist playing him in a 2) a top number 10 then a top RW and I feel our first 11 and squad on a whole would look and work better.I challenge someone to explain how Matic, Fred, Lingard, Mata and Pereira can make up the fulcrum of a high scoring team.
Genius tacticians step up now
I dont mean it that they are of the same quality. Agreed, Paul is a step above, but even Martial is a level beyond the rest of the squad. Not enough quality, that's what we are seeing.Martial shouldn't be in the same bracket as Pogba. I find it so strange that he's put on the same level as him.
100% agree. We need to sign well. That will be the deciding factor. Ole has done really well in the players he's brought in. Just needs more.I feel Pereira can work well as part of the squad and still only 23, love that he has a bite about him. The rest, agreed. Unlike most, I am willing to give this time, because Ole has left the squad thin, but perfect to start rebuilding and adding to it. Add a solid 6 next to Pogba (if we persist playing him in a 2) a top number 10 then a top RW and I feel our first 11 and squad on a whole would look and work better.
DdgDepending who we can get, I would be happy with this next season, knowing we are on the right track and the club are focusing on the right areas. Maybe going in 3rd year, we bolster defence, Martial, Rashford and AWB will have improved and suddenly we could be coming good again. So I can (hopefully) see signs of a plan, and dont totally blame Ole's tactical inexperience for everything. Just trying to have a little more faith than most.
Awb....Lindelof.....Maguire.....Shaw
???....Pogba
???.....????.....Rashford
Martial
Romero, Axel, Jones, Young, Dalot, Scott, Fred, Andrea's, James, Lingard, Greenwood
That would be my only Concern with him, very injury prone. But the quality is there for all to see, and was easily our best performing player before instantly being displaced by Sanchez. If by end of the season, we havent seen enough to convince us, the maybe enough is enough, but I have faith in him, ever since that first season.Martial has yet to convince me he's good enough to be our main striker. He'll probably have a run of games soon where he looks good, before either getting an injury or having a period where he looks uninterested.