Sassy Colin
Death or the gladioli!
Labour support in the poll is at its lowest level since it came out, 47.4%, why is that and where have they moved to?
Just dropped down to 47.2%???
Just dropped down to 47.2%???
I live in the middle of nowhere in rural France and fibre optic broadband is being rolled out everywhere and where I live we are due to have it by middle of next year but the service won't be free. Slightly more expensive than current broadband.They'll likely turn out like most governments which is keep some manifesto promises, break others but generally move in the direction that they say they will. This internet policy makes sense and will be good for the economy, I reckon they'll mostly end up doing it but some rural areas will still have issues.
This is more than I can say for the Tories who seem have broken almost every promise they've made (with the unfortunate exception of running an EU referendum).
What's that got to do with it?We can't run out of internet.
Use your brain colinWhat's that got to do with it?
I wouldn’t have privatised things like water if were up to me. But that doesn’t mean renationalising it now is a good use of cash.Hear me out guys.
Maybe, maybe, if we didn't accept the Tories selling off national assets to their mates in cut price deals that benefit nobody but themselves in a thinly disguised exercise in corruption, Labour wouldn't have to promise to spend vast quantities of money to buy them back?
That's crazy talk. Clearly you're a socialist plant from those Russian backed Labour crooks who've destroyed the NHS over the last 9 years.Hear me out guys.
Maybe, maybe, if we didn't accept the Tories selling off national assets to their mates in cut price deals that benefit nobody but themselves in a thinly disguised exercise in corruption, Labour wouldn't have to promise to spend vast quantities of money to buy them back?
wtf are you on about?Use your brain colin
Probably because the Tory's cheap tricks to influence the debate on a shallow level work. I think the noise around maintaining and extending(!) free movement is a real vote killer too. I know it's not going to be in the manifesto but high ranking Labour politicians like Abbott seemingly publicly advocating it makes it easy for opposition forces to weaponise the idea against Labour.Labour support in the poll is at its lowest level since it came out, 47.4%, why is that and where have they moved to?
Just dropped down to 47.2%???
We're talking about RedCafe hereProbably because the Tory's cheap tricks to influence the debate on a shallow level work. I think the noise around maintaining and extending(!) free movement is a real vote killer too. I know it's not going to be in the manifesto but high ranking Labour politicians like Abbott seemingly publicly advocating it makes it easy for opposition forces to weaponise the idea against Labour.
We're talking about RedCafe here
30bn to deploy and a few hundred million a year to run sounds like absolute chump change compared to the figures that have already been pissed away in Brexit preparations and the benefits that could be had in ensuring the entire country has equal access to broadband are huge.Is there anywhere in the world where broadband is free? I've never come across it.
It amazes me that people don't see through these blatant bribes. It will cost 30b to deploy to all homes and a few hundred million per year to run, all from the magic money tree.
Maybe they switched to not voting/undecided? I think Tory has gone up a little too.
Fair enough, there's a lot of scepticism from the left leaning centrists I'd say, after Labour's performance around Brexit.
The problem you have on here is that there are probably more posters on here that are ineligible to vote than are. You'll get plenty voting in the poll just to troll.Maybe they switched to not voting/undecided? I think Tory has gone up a little too.
Edit: see above post ^
Why don't they buy the rights to PL football while they are at it, then it can be free to air on the BBC. £4.5B should do it for a 3 year deal, good value for the tax payer, pocket change really, and watching football should be a basic human right. They should do the same for Test matches, too.30bn to deploy and a few hundred million a year to run sounds like absolute chump change compared to the figures that have already been pissed away in Brexit preparations and the benefits that could be had in ensuring the entire country has equal access to broadband are huge.
It's being dismissed as fanciful at best and radical at worst but I'm not sure why. Technology and the internet isn't some future concept and luxury, it's very much the present and a dependency of modern life. The digital divide is a very real thing and the digital infrastructure of a country has an obvious correlation with the strength of it's economy.
That's how Lingard always get 1% of the MotM vote, I guess. Blame Liverpool supporters, I say.The problem you have on here is that there are probably more posters on here that are ineligible to vote than are. You'll get plenty voting in the poll just to troll.
So to summarise there's the current reality of private players all of which have to give data over to the govt. This data transfer from the competing ISPs to the govt happened long before there was any publicly-known legal framework for it - it was part of what Snowden revealed about the five eyes surveillance. There's the known reality that other governments from the same continent have provided unrestricted uncensored free and fast internet universally. And there is the manifesto promise about protecting privacy from a person with a consistent record on civil rights. But market competition is literally magic which can undo the actually occuring reality, therefore the policy is bad.
Yes. I don't even think Lingard has one of those deluded acolytes on here. The poor lamb.That's how Lingard always get 1% of the MotM vote, I guess. Blame Liverpool supporters, I say.
All true, but why does it have to be free? Invest in the infrastructure by all means but then giving it away for nothing is just a blatant vote bribe and not sustainable.30bn to deploy and a few hundred million a year to run sounds like absolute chump change compared to the figures that have already been pissed away in Brexit preparations and the benefits that could be had in ensuring the entire country has equal access to broadband are huge.
It's being dismissed as fanciful at best and radical at worst but I'm not sure why. Technology and the internet isn't some future concept and luxury, it's very much the present and a dependency of modern life. The digital divide is a very real thing and the digital infrastructure of a country has an obvious correlation with the strength of it's economy.
That's how Lingard always get 1% of the MotM vote, I guess. Blame Liverpool supporters, I say.
Can we get Lingard Nationalised? He’s surely an asset that’s being run hugely inefficiently in the private sector. There’d be no qualms from me if they offered below market valueYes. I don't even think Lingard has one of those deluded acolytes on here. The poor lamb.
You don't deserve civility after your previous posts.wtf are you on about?
Broadband is more of a basic human right that water, why don't you use your fecking head. I know which one is more important to me.
People are just downright fecking rude in this place.
Exactly, there are a lot more useful things to spend £30B on, why can't we have free water instead?BT share price down 2% at the moment, which I presume is based on the current chance of there being a Labour government.
If we can suddenly find £30b from wherever wouldn't it be better going to social care and the NHS? And what @11101 said.
Yup, water is certainly running out:You don't deserve civility after your previous posts.
Anyway I can see you didn't use your brain. Think about the finite quantity of water Vs the quantity of internets. Do you remember the last internet drought?
Taken from the BBC 5Live interview at 9 today;Really wish they’d press Johnson/Tories more on the Russian donors and how he just casually suppressed the report of the investigation being released. Tories getting away with murder.
Taken from the Guardian live blogQ: Why aren’t you publishing the report on Russia before the election?
Johnson says he sees no reason to change the normal procedures just because there is an election.
Q: But it has been cleared for publication by the intelligence agencies.
Johnson repeats the point about there being no need to change the standard publication procedures.
(Dominic Grieve, the intelligence and security committee chair, has said it is not true to say that it is normal for No 10 to hold up a report like this for weeks. It has happened before, when a reports needs security clearance. But this report was cleared by the intelligence services some time ago.)
Q: How many Russian oligarchs donate to the Conservative party?
Johnson says those figures are publicly available.
I can see now why you don't use your brain.Yup, water is certainly running out:
The whole point of the policy is to build the insfrastructure required for the technological revolution. We're very far behind at the moment. Bottom of the list.Free Broadband for everybody sounds like a great idea .But i have no faith in the infrastructure in this country.Could it handle the demand? ,2019 and some rural areas are still getting slow speeds. And i just don't trust the Government when it comes to this particular issue.
Because we're served by our government, we're not their customers. Giving everyone in the country free access to the internet would be a huge boost towards greater prosperity for the entire country.All true, but why does it have to be free? Invest in the infrastructure by all means but then giving it away for nothing is just a blatant vote bribe and not sustainable.
All the more reason to secure and provide free water supplies, it's far more essential need than broadband. Any brainless idiot can see that.According to Colin there has never been a drought.
Alright water is free for everyone, what's to stop some unscrupulous business exploiting that and causing a local water shortage.All the more reason to secure and provide free water supplies, it's far more essential need than broadband. Any brainless idiot can see that.
I can see the point about access, but why free? Why can't the pensioner on no more than state pension have the cash to spend on heating instead? Why can't the young parent using a foodbank spend it on winter clothes for the kids? Shouldn't they have the choice?Because we're served by our government, we're not their customers. Giving everyone in the country free access to the internet would be a huge boost towards greater prosperity for the entire country.
Most people here seem to have the mindset that the internet is merely a luxury entertainment tool. It's the backbone of the global economy and it's an invaluable source of information. Guaranteeing that adults and children alike have access to it no matter what their financial status is would be a huge advantage compared to other countries for whom it's still a luxury.
That can be said for just about anything that taxes are spent on. Take roads for example which are "free" for everyone to use and paid for by taxes. I'd argue that the internet is merely a digital transport network. It's essential in the modern day world to have access to it.I can see the point about access, but why free? Why can't the pensioner on no more than state pension have the cash to spend on heating instead? Why can't the young parent using a foodbank spend it on winter clothes for the kids? Shouldn't they have the choice?
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