[fps]

I can guaranteed, when we went 3-2 up, we’re all saying go for four, but also saying we could get caught on the counter with that shocking midfield.

Any manager would have done the same, even the nightly Klopp and Pep.

It didn’t work out this time.

Not at all, especially with a team which has repeatedly given away leads and points by losing momentum with defensive substitutions late in matches over the past few YEARS.

 

[Jeppers7]

I have to wonder if it was us who scored the first and third goals, would they have been allowed ? You'd think VAR would get rid of the old small club leniency that refs tend to have, but it doesn't. So in fact it just makes it worse that you sit and watch thinking VAR will pick that up.......and it lets it go because it's still down to the opinion of a person with emotion and agenda.

Third goal touches the arm. It's simple.

 

[Paxi]

Should just close Redcafé despite the makeover - it's embarrassing.
Most posters on this thread are lower than dog turds.
I'll probably pick up a warning for this post when a lot of you fukkers on here should just be banned

You're free to find another forum.

 

[jderbyshire]

To be fair to Ole, if he hadn't have made that sub, and we conceded, some people would've accused him of being naiive/not seeing the game out.

 

[fps]

Anyone with common knowledge of human anatomy that has played football once in his life could be absolutely certain that that was a hand ball.

Sure, it touched his pectoralis and his deltoid muscle, but the only way he brought it down on his right foot volley is because he controlled it with his biceps.

You can't control a football with your shoulder. You sure as hell can't bring it down on your volley.

So the answer is simple. They could have been certain, and they should have been.

But they failed.

Why?

Well now, that is the question of the VAR itself.

Human error. Only digitalized and slowed down. But still prone to errors.

I have both those things in the first line. It wasn't handball at all, that was obvious, you can play the ball with your shoulder and he obviously did. You're just a blinkered fan.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I have to wonder if it was us who scored the first and third goals, would they have been allowed ? You'd think VAR would get rid of the old small club leniency that refs tend to have, but it doesn't. So in fact it just makes it worse that you sit and watch thinking VAR will pick that up.......and it lets it go because it's still down to the opinion of a person with emotion and agenda.

Third goal touches the arm. It's simple.

It was. If they’re being consistent, then that should be disallowed
You know if one of our defenders does that, a pen would have been given

 

[Reiver]

We were unlucky as 2 of the goals could have been ruled out. And we played about 10 minutes or so of good football.
None of that should detract from 70 minutes of truly awful football. Ole has been in charge a year and we've not progressed in any positive way.

 

[Paxi]

You don't know that...

Well that's what momentum is.

 

[fps]

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Rashford gets it, it's blinking obvious, if you're an attacking threat the other team can't simply pour forward.

 

[lysglimt]

Regardless what People think of OGS - it scares me that we have "fans" that almost seem happy that SU equalized against us.

 

[Random Task]

Anyone with common knowledge of human anatomy that has played football once in his life could be absolutely certain that that was a hand ball.

Sure, it touched his pectoralis and his deltoid muscle, but the only way he brought it down on his right foot volley is because he controlled it with his biceps.

You can't control a football with your shoulder. You sure as hell can't bring it down on your volley.

So the answer is simple. They could have been certain, and they should have been.

But they failed.

Why?

Well now, that is the question of the VAR itself.

Human error. Only digitalized and slowed down. But still prone to errors.

You've based your argument on an assumption rather than fact. That's not an acceptable basis for which to overturn a game-changing decision.

The video replay did not, in any way shape or form, show the ball striking the arm of the goal scorer. Thus the goal should stand.

 

[lysglimt]

Rashford gets it, it's blinking obvious, if you're an attacking threat the other team can't simply pour forward.

Ehm...yes at 2-3 they certainly can.

 

[SteveW]

That's what everybody is saying. Momentum was lost the moment we decided to see the game out. Ole said that sometimes it is beyond the tactics and yet he made a shit tactical decision. If he just let the game go on I'm convinced we'd have scored 4th goal as they collapsed.

You don't need a 424 formation to keep pushing. We still had 3 forwards on the pitch.

 

[Regalia]

Yeah lets pray for loss so we can sack manager, what a dumb post.

Never said I was praying for a loss. What a dumb assumption.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Rashford gets it, it's blinking obvious, if you're an attacking threat the other team can't simply pour forward.

That's quite worrying. I read that as Rashford publicly criticising his manager. Ole might be in trouble.

 

[Shimo]

Decisions are only right if they work.

Don't agree here. In football you can make the right decisions but, it's football and things happen. If you sub on someone for an injured or tiring player the sub makes mistake for a goal, does it make it the wrong decision? Not really.

In this case, we got to 3-2 because he made the right decisions starting the 2nd half. Their second goal was a mistake and a well taken goal but, we started to take the game to them. They started to sit back and once we got our first, we went for it, taking the risk of being hit on the counter but, we were able to quickly capitalize on getting the 2nd from that gamble and the 3rd.

Once we got our 3rd though, Sheffield were not going to sit back, they were going to attack, so we had to shore up midfield. It's was the right decision and it's one that is made 10/10 by any manager because we were still had a lot of threat on the pitch but, with some balance to see the game out. The 3rd goal is a result of us actually still gambling too much giving space on the left, James has to cover a lot of ground and rushes in and player goes by him, letting him get the ball into the box.

 

[SteveW]

Rashford gets it, it's blinking obvious, if you're an attacking threat the other team can't simply pour forward.

You think we need to have 4 forwards on the pitch to be an attacking threat? 424 formation is our only way to score a goal. We had 3 pacey talent forwards on the pitch after the substitution.

They just didn't see it out due to a lack of experience more than anything.

 

[Jericholyte2]

Either way, they wouldn't have just wanged a defender on and sat back.

No they’d have put on Gundogan or an experienced DM, but we don’t have one of those available.

So he brought on a strong, athletic, composed defender.

 

[Paxi]

You don't need a 424 formation to keep pushing. We still had 3 forwards on the pitch.

We sat back as a whole team.

 

[roseguy64]

Didn't City have a goal disallowed because the ball hit Laporte on the arm in the build up?

Yes

 

[VanHaal'sRedArmy]

How is Sheffield able to score 3 against us? Embarrassing.

Our nonexistent midfield and some questionable coaching decisions.

 

[Withnail]

That's quite worrying. I read that as Rashford publicly criticising his manager. Ole might be in trouble.

Are you are that's not just wishful thinking?

 

[SteveW]

Don't agree here. In football you can make the right decisions but, it's football and things happen. If you sub on someone for an injured or tiring player the sub makes mistake for a goal, does it make it the wrong decision? Not really.

In this case, we got to 3-2 because he made the right decisions starting the 2nd half. Their second goal was a mistake and a well taken goal but, we started to take the game to them. They started to sit back and once we got our first, we went for it, taking the risk of being hit on the counter but, we were able to quickly capitalize on getting the 2nd from that gamble and the 3rd.

Once we got our 3rd though, Sheffield were not going to sit back, they were going to attack, so we had to shore up midfield. It's was the right decision and it's one that is made 10/10 by any manager because we were still had a lot of threat on the pitch but, with some balance to see the game out. The 3rd goal is a result of us actually still gambling too much giving space on the left, James has to cover a lot of ground and rushes in and player goes by him, letting him get the ball into the box.

Nice to see there's some common sense left on here. At no stage did we retreat and we still had 3 forwards on the pitch.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Our nonexistent midfield and some questionable coaching decisions.

Everybody has been saying for last few years that the defence got overworked because they got no protection from the midfield. So what do we go and do weaken the options even more. Then we get reports that Ole says we are scouting midfielders, then we might not sign anybody in January but look at the loan market. I am not sure if this club knows if it is coming or going.

 

[Jim Beam]

Thought Kleberson was poor again today but did well to set up the goal for Yakubu. Generally a pretty good performance to get the win after going 4 behind.

And I thought I've seen all today.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Regardless what People think of OGS - it scares me that we have "fans" that almost seem happy that SU equalized against us.

all day long … this!

 

[TsuWave]

Terrible performance. Only time the team looked good was when they abandoned what Ole had been working on all week. As soon as we got the lead and went back to what Ole had been working on, Sheffield equalised.

Get Ole out of here please.

 

[Cantona in disguise]

Stop this shit. There celebrating. It's quite clear ffs.

I dont want to claim to have any knowledge of what was or wasnt going on. I did however see this picture at half time. So I doubt they were celebrating

 

[simplyared]

Easy with hindsight but he should never have subbed Martial. They opened up when we went ahead and we could have got another goal and killed it. But no he brings in another defender and they go at us. Rubbish tactics! And how the feck could he keep Fred on the pitch for 90 mins.

 

[ash_86]

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[Gordon S]

We really missed Scott out there today, feels like he is tailormade for these kind of games. Pereira is a below average cm and can't even remotely replace him.

 

[Paxi]

I dont want to claim to have any knowledge of what was or wasnt going on. I did however see this picture at half time. So I doubt they were celebrating

If that was at before we scored then fair enough but I still don't see anything nefarious in that picture.

 

[Fanatic 00237]

They’re a recently promoted club, you cant be serious.

They're a newly promoted team whose total wages probably cost less than Rashford and De Gea combined.

We’re Manchester United for Christ’s sake! We should have the best coaches in the world.

The excuses for Ole are getting more and more ridiculous. He’s been in the job nearly a year now, the excuses need to stop!

What does being recently or newly promoted have to do with anything? They have a head coach who has been at the job for more than three full seasons and a stable squad of experienced players. They certainly look better coached but you can’t analyse that as if we were in a vacuum.

Context is always key when moaning or when praising a team. Their total wages may be less but they are vastly more experienced. Wages don’t win you leagues nor does the club name. LCFC had a much lower total wage bill yet they won the league ahead of all the other big name clubs.

Just for reminders, these are their results against the usual top 4/top 6 contenders:

Chelsea A 2-2
Liverpool H 0-1
Arsenal H 1-0
Tottenham A 1-1
United H 3-3

How does that look for a newly promoted side?

 

[GaryLifo]

That match day thread was an embarrassment. People hoping we’d concede more to get Ole sacked. Support the team and the manager, until he’s no longer the manager.
Spoiled bastards. Take the rough with the smooth.

Was it good enough? No it wasn’t. But feck me some people need to have a word

This

 

[Cantona in disguise]

If that was at before we scored then fair enough but I still don't see anything nefarious in that picture.

No I agree just seen a lot of posters claiming they were celebrating. However the picture has a time stamp of 5.21and I saw it at half time. Which would tally up. Just clearing that part up not that it really matters. Just bugged me

 

[fps]

You think we need to have 4 forwards on the pitch to be an attacking threat? 424 formation is our only way to score a goal. We had 3 pacey talent forwards on the pitch after the substitution.

They just didn't see it out due to a lack of experience more than anything.

No, I didn't say that. It was clear the team had finally clicked, everything was working, there was no need to disrupt that.

 

[dev1l]

Rashford gets it, it's blinking obvious, if you're an attacking threat the other team can't simply pour forward.

That doesn't apply when the opposition is losing and desperately needs a goal 10 mins from time.

 

[Withnail]

Terrible performance. Only time the team looked good was when they abandoned what Ole had been working on all week. As soon as we got the lead and went back to what Ole had been working on, Sheffield equalised.

Get Ole out of here please.

You were there on the training ground, were you?

Bizarre take

 

[Paxi]

No I agree just seen a lot of posters claiming they were celebrating. However the picture has a time stamp of 5.21and I saw it at half time. Which would tally up. Just clearing that part up not that it really matters. Just bugged me

Fair enough man.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Very poor first half, better second half. Disappointed that we did not get the win, but would have taken a draw before the game. Starting Jones was a poor decision, but bringing Axel was fine, should have held on at the end.

Hopefully Pogba is back atleast, would be some good news. Should get some minutes in the Europa league game and get back sharpness.