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The United States is a country built on conquest and exploitation like many others in the course of human history, and the American Dream is a shiny layer of paint on top to cover up that rotten reality.

If you missed my repeated inference to ‘myths’ and ‘legend’ and ‘con’ when referring to it in this thread, then sure I can see where the confusion with Chinese Dream sarcasm stemmed from.
Right and I suppose Australia was built by freedom fighters fighting aliens and saving the planet earth.
 

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Right and I suppose Australia was built by freedom fighters fighting aliens and saving the planet earth.
It was built by thieves and murderers who continued their crafts on the Native Aboriginals population. Took them long enough (2009) to officially apologize for it.

Try harder.
 

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I'm sorry but if someone (not just going to point you out) truly believes central and south American immigration is primarily due to United States destabilizing these countries they're deluded.
What I said in that post has nothing to do with migrants from South America and everything to do with you contradicting your own argument.
 

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For the mega rich? I had to take student loans worth 20k to go. I paid them off in first 3 years of employment. I had another friend who grew up in a household with 45k income. He had 30k loans and is almost done with them.




Once again it's not that black and white. There are problems but plenty of people in the U.S also get financial aid (like myself) and are able to afford college. In fact, a vast majority of people can get into university, leave with around 15-20k debt and pay that off in a few years. It's not perfect at all. Tuition fees have gotten out of hand and it needs to be dealt with but the media will have you believe all the schools are reserved for the rich here.

Once again, there's definitely a problem but you have to look at both sides. The whole "tuition is free in Norway and should be in the U.S" is an apples to oranges comparison. I can't go into it here because 1) too long of a topic 2) you probably still wouldn't accept it and that's fine since there are experts/highly qualified people who stand on the other side of the issue as well so that's something we would have to disagree on.

Good for you that you enjoy Irish government but you don't see me bashing Ireland so not sure what you're trying to prove to me. Ireland and the United States cannot be compared they hold different positions in the world and a country like America faces completely different problems than Ireland.

If it makes you happy to say I'm "brainwashed" by the rich then good for you but that's definitely not the case. I am studying the bigger picture and I don't like to take a black and white stance. Besides, the first step in resolving anything is to be honest about issues and not sensationalize it.
$20,000? That's a semester.
 

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For the 2017-2018 school year, tuition at a four-year private college costs an average of $34,740. Public universities charge in-state students $9,970 and out-of-state students $25,620. During your time in school, expect the yearly price to increase by an average of 2.4% at private colleges and 3.2% at public colleges.Oct 21, 2019
 

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There’s 8 semesters in a 4 year degree.
Your point still stands; it’s ridiculous. I have two going to uni next year so I’m bricking it a bit, until we figure out where both will go.

I see that state unis are quite affordable when compared to the elite private schools like USC, GW, Stanford, etc.
That said, I’ve also noticed that the stated prices at private unis are the MSRP. I’d imagine that most would get some sort or scholarship to offset.
 

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$20,000? That's a semester.
You recieve financial aid if your parents make less than a certain amount. I got financial aid + I went in state which is half the price.

A lot of American kids go out of state to a college they want for BS reasons then complain about the tuition fees. Still it's a big problem but top unis are not reserved only for the rich by any means.
 

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You recieve financial aid if your parents make less than a certain amount.
Yippie... student loan debt.
I went in state which is half the price.
Yearly cost of attendance at our major in-state schools...

Clemson: $31,200
UofSC: $28,300
USC Upstate: $24,900
College of Charleston: $30,200
Coastal Carolina: $25,500
Lander: $24,700
 

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Yeah mate basically free but had to pay 80 euro a night for my 4 day stay and 100 for A and E. All morphine and other countless medicines were free of charge. The ven better part is that if you want private care then you are more than free to pay for that of your own accord. Like I said Ireland isn't perfect by any stretch but we are free to complain about those things knowing that we have the basics at least.
My ankle surgery in the US cost $17,500, but I was under socialized medicine, aka TriCare, and paid not a single cent. ;) Others in the States would not be as fortunate under their healthcare plan or lack thereof.
 

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You recieve financial aid if your parents make less than a certain amount. I got financial aid + I went in state which is half the price.

A lot of American kids go out of state to a college they want for BS reasons then complain about the tuition fees. Still it's a big problem but top unis are not reserved only for the rich by any means.
You receive financial aid when you can't even afford a car. It's bullshit.
 

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There’s 8 semesters in a 4 year degree.
Your point still stands; it’s ridiculous. I have two going to uni next year so I’m bricking it a bit, until we figure out where both will go.

I see that state unis are quite affordable when compared to the elite private schools like USC, GW, Stanford, etc.
That said, I’ve also noticed that the stated prices at private unis are the MSRP. I’d imagine that most would get some sort or scholarship to offset.
Those two are not elite private schools by any means. USC admissions has long been a joke; if your family has the money to pay tuition at USC or you are related to alumni you can get in. That school is a joke academically compared to UCLA.

Elite private schools are really just the Ivy League, Stanfurd, University of Chicago, Johns Hopkins and MAYBE one or two more.

GW, Duke, Georgetown...those are only decent schools if you want to get into politics and network with a bunch of cnuts. If you are sciences or social sciences those schools are average tier and no better than state unis.
 

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Yippie... student loan debt.

Yearly cost of attendance at our major in-state schools...

Clemson: $31,200
UofSC: $28,300
USC Upstate: $24,900
College of Charleston: $30,200
Coastal Carolina: $25,500
Lander: $24,700
Does that include room & board?
Looks spendy if it doesn’t.
By contrast the UCs in CA run about $15k per year for tuition. Cal State unis run about $8k for tuition, iirc.
 

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I'm sorry but if someone (not just going to point you out) truly believes central and south American immigration is primarily due to United States destabilizing these countries they're deluded.
Implying that civil wars and gang activity had nothing to do with US intervention? Ok.
 

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Those two are not elite private schools by any means. USC admissions has long been a joke; if your family has the money to pay tuition at USC or you are related to alumni you can get in. That school is a joke academically compared to UCLA.

Elite private schools are really just the Ivy League, Stanfurd, University of Chicago, Johns Hopkins and MAYBE one or two more.

GW, Duke, Georgetown...those are only decent schools if you want to get into politics and network with a bunch of cnuts. If you are sciences or social sciences those schools are average tier and no better than state unis.
What matters is that students have to pay to learn.

What a shit show
 
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You receive financial aid when you can't even afford a car. It's bullshit.
Not sure what you're getting at. The vast majority of students in my graduation class could not afford their school but did so with financial aid. Most of this is manageable if you study in state and have an employable major. The problem is accessibility and there are many cases where students just cant go to college but I think the problem starts even before that.

Kids who grow up in projects are at a disadvantage from the get go so even if you provide them financial aid they are more likely to drop out due to the poor schooling they received from the very start. Btw this problem is not unique to the states.
 

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Had nothing versus primary reason. Once again read things in detail - you wouldn't be this confused if you did!
What I mentioned is a symptom of destabilization. You should take your own advice, especially since you were guilty of misreading a fecking tweet up the page.
 

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Yippie... student loan debt.

Yearly cost of attendance at our major in-state schools...

Clemson: $31,200
UofSC: $28,300
USC Upstate: $24,900
College of Charleston: $30,200
Coastal Carolina: $25,500
Lander: $24,700
I was responding to tuition fees not cost of attendance. I went to chapel hill and its 8k. And most people who arent stupid with the loans they take can pay it off in a reasonable amount of time since professional new grad salaries are high.
 

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What I mentioned is a symptom of destabilization. You should take your own advice, especially since you were guilty of misreading a fecking tweet up the page.
Well I admitted it so maybe you should too. Like I said, it's a reason but to pin down illegal immigration to U.S on LA gangs being sent there as the only/primary reason is delusion.
 

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Well I admitted it so maybe you should too. Like I said, it's a reason but to pin down illegal immigration to U.S on LA gangs being sent there as the only/primary reason is delusion.
:lol: You’re inventing stories. I never said that nor implied it. I can’t tell if you’re trolling at this point because you’re showing some incredible ignorance.
 

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Apparently US foreign intervention equals sending street gangs to other counties to destabilize them. Shamans logic, everyone!