Wow, she’s an absolute arsehole.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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No labour should have gone all out for remain agreed a deal with the lib dems and pushed together as a campaign.
What's she saying?
Many of the people who have switched their vote to the Tories won't have given the NHS a thought. It's always been there in their lifetimes. This was all about Brexit. But now, all the knock-on effects of this result (with this particular leader and his chums) are going to start trickling through.
Grim days ahead, and saying "I told you so" to the people who've been like turkeys voting for Christmas won't change anything, sadly.
See this is the absolutely annoying thing about all the "the left should move to the centre" handwringing that's going on everywhere in the world where the left loses an election.
Again, look at the United States. Universal healthcare, higher taxes for the highest earners, increased gun control - these are ALL popular, majority positions! When you ask people about policies, not parties, it invariably turns out that they are far more left-leaning than elections suggest.
Voting these days seems to be far more about identity, about emotional appeal, about age, location, culture than a matter of policy preferences.
Its funny because Jo Swinson couldn’t put aside her differences with Labour and Corbyn either and proved to be far less popular than Corbyn.
Lib Dem’s fecked this up far more than Labour in my opinion. Labour were at a hiding to nothing regardless and it was up to Lib Dem’s to push a stronger second referendum message and give people more to vote for than completely forgetting the first referendum ever happened and having a leader who is more conservative than 60% of the Tories.
Essentially laying into New Labour for the loss of support in Northern Seats, saying they only lost the election because of Brexit (ignoring the fact they lost in 2017 aswell), and saying centrism has been eviscerated and that Corbyns policies are popular.
Piers Morgan points out Labour have lost 7 of the last 10 elections and points to the fact the only three they won were under New Labour, and she just dismisses it. She was arguing with Jacqui Smith and Ayesha Hazarika, who are both Labour members, and I just think it’s a glimpse into what is to come over the coming months within the Labour Party.
This just emphasises how disliked Corbyn is. Turns out being a smug git, throwing pie in the sky policies about like confetti and refusing to have a strong stance on Brexit, doesn't sit well with the general public, who knew?
It takes something special to be battered to this extent by this Tory government.
It takes something special to be battered to this extent by this Tory government.
In hindsight it was foolish to give Boris an election.
Surely the Irish Sea border is going to happen now that the DUP are completely irrelevant again?
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Judging by these results, if there had have been a second referendum, Brexit would've happened regardless, wouldn't it?
There’s going to be infighting, it’s absolutely going to be a shit show and we’re going to have to let them cannibalise for a while before we see if there’s any good flesh left on the bone and start building again from there.
Like I said last night they don’t need to pick their new leader now and they don’t need to settle on their ideology this week. They need to put a night watchman in while they figure it out and bring the new leader in at just the right moment so they don’t have 5 years of smears and “unelectable” shouts from the press.
hindsight? FFS, any person with common sense would have predicted this. Unfortunately, leaders and management of the largest parties in the UK are so out of touch it's incredible.
Not necessarily. But I think its now time to accept Brexit. In a way it feels a bit of a relief to move on from the turmoil.
Labour would have done better with Count Binface as leader instead of Jeremy Corbyn.
Yup, i've said that all along, you'd like to think it would be different but the people voting Brexit are too entrenched.
Not sure, we can assume that the vast majority of people that didn’t vote Tory/Brexit/UKIP would probably vote remain and that there’s still around 16% of Conservatives who are remainers. The leave vote in this election is at around 46%
This is the beginning of the end for the Union.
I know that a lot of people compare Brexit to WW2, but it's always reminded me more of the English Reformation. Boris Johnson is the new Henry VIII in more ways than one.
I know that a lot of people compare Brexit to WW2, but it's always reminded me more of the English Reformation. Boris Johnson is the new Henry VIII in more ways than one.
It does? OH who is not a UK citizen, is serious about us leaving the country and residing in her homeland, and she's someone who's been here for all of her adult life with a very high-powered job, which, ironically (or not) having a conversative government greatly aids.
If it wasn't for my mother, I wouldn't have any hesitation in getting out of dodge, as it is, there's a lot of friction between us [OH] because of the direction the country is wilfully and gleefully heading.
She just comes across as such a caustic individual. And you're right, it's that self-assured arrogance, even in the face of the entire room wholeheartedly disagreeing with her, that is endemic within Corbyn's Labour.
This election is obviously exceptional in Scotland due to present circumstances. I don't expect it to carry on once those circumstances are resolved.
My impression is that for Labour to win an election they need Scotland to vote with them.
Depressing. And I really mean that. Worst election outcome of my lifetime.
But politically will they not need to support the working class to avoid a battering?
Its why we made the move - like you, we had an elderly relative to consider, but she passed away in 2018 so we had no responsibilities to fulfil in the UK after she'd gone.
Likewise, I’ve always thought Brexit had parallels with that entirely avoidable trauma of 500 years ago. It turned out ok in the end (as Brexit probably will If you take a long-term view) but only after a lot of pain and rancour. To be fair, though, Henry only had 6 wives and three kids.
Well... as far as I'm aware, roughly 60-70% of Labour voters are Remainers, and roughly 60-70% of Tory voters are Leavers - it's hard to find exact numbers as the political landscape seems to be very volatile in the UK. So, for the sake of simplicity, let's just count all Labour votes as Remain and all Tory votes as Leave. (This is not precise because there are more Tory voters which means that their 30% Remain is a higher number than Labour's 30% Leave. But it will do for now). Lib Dem is Remain, SNP is Remain. Some Leavers might have voted for either of these parties, especially the SNP but they are both absolutely, unequivocally Remain so we'll count them as such.
Now, Labour plus Lib Dem plus SNP equals more votes than Tory. This is simplistic as feck but basically, it suggests that a second referendum is too close to call and would be around 50-50.
Well yeah, there's no stopping it now. If you leave the country, for want of a better phrase, then that would be you accepting it too.
Aye I feel the same way. Actually feel sick this morning. Tory got 63.0% in my area. It's Brexit all over again for me, I don't feel any connection with people who vote Tory, none.
My old constituency, St Ives, will be the last to come in. I really hope but am not hopeful that Andrew George takes it back from Derek Thomas.
Andrew George was an absolutely fantastic local politician for many years and an active campaigner for many local causes. My Dad works part time for a teachers Union and was always in inregular correspondence with George. He’s tried to contact Thomas numerous times about issues he was representing and the only reply he has ever had was from Thomas’ secretary and was addressed as such.
If that’s how he approaches official, formal issues then I can’t imagine he’s been much use to people asking him to support informal issues.
Andrew George was an absolutely fantastic local politician for many years and an active campaigner for many local causes. My Dad works part time for a teachers Union and was always in inregular correspondence with George. He’s tried to contact Thomas numerous times about issues he was representing and the only reply he has ever had was from Thomas’ secretary and was addressed as such.
If that’s how he approaches official, formal issues then I can’t imagine he’s been much use to people asking him to support informal issues.
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They'll start with that in about 4 1/2 years time.
Same.
Manchester Central went 70% Labour, at least.
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This rant is absolutely spot on.
feck off Corbyn, you dithering fool. And his fans on here (and everywhere else) need to take their heads out their arses and stop alienating and insulting everyone who refused to drink the Momentum Kool Aid. Because this is what that mindset gets you. A bitch-slapping from one of the most inept Conservative leaders in living memory. FFS.
Boris:
This was about Brexit and the underestimation of those who were angry and wanted to leave outside of london.
It was ever thus so. You can't reason with that mindset. Showing them statistics and demonstrable facts is like showing hieroglyphics to a pig. I hope it's all sunshine and rainbows like they seem to think it will be but in the event that it isn't, they will accept no responsibility for it either.
Looking forward to the next 5 years working in the civil service with our budgets cut even more, services running on fumes and the ignorant electorate that caused it constantly complaining about it like they're disembodied from the whole thing.
When is Scotland's leaving party anyway?
As someone said, it's really the Lib Dems can feel aggrieved about it and it's hard to feel any sympathy for them. But seriously, with 11% of the vote they'll have 1.6% of the seats. That's insane.
(also, Tories have a clear, 56% majority with 43.6% of the vote)
This.
We are in a culture war that has no reversal, better we get used to it.
I can tell almost everything about someone's views just by asking if the person if Remain or Leave.
We are on a fast lane towards America.
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