Has this season hit rock bottom for you yet? If no, what, in particular, will be the final nails in the coffin?

[Revaulx]

I've known plenty of lows over the last 49 years, but this does somehow feel different. I think it's because nobody at the club (owners, management, players, many fans) seems to be that bothered; they're all content to just muddle through and believe things will improve if they just wish hard enough.

I started going to games regularly and following the club seriously at exactly the same time Wilf McGuinness was being thrown under the bus by Sir Matt and the Edwards family, having inherited an ageing team and being given no support whatsoever in being allowed to rebuild it. Ole has received far more support than Wilf did, but it does all rather feel the same.

 

[Castia]

Started off with a good win over Chelsea but quickly turned into a farce, we were just a few points off bottom 3 for a good while. It’s been shite but just when you think it can’t get any worse Ole usually puts together 1-2 wins that take the pressure off him.

We’re lucky Chelsea have also been so inconsistent else too 4 would already be gone and so would Ole in my opinion.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

Last night is being overblown slightly I feel, it's not the first time in the last 10 years City have battered us and while the headlines point to a gulf between the two sides they forget we beat them on their own ground and were excellent in most areas of the game on that day so yeah batterings by City can happen, they suck but it is what it is and I wouldn't put it past us to win at least one of our 2 remaining games against them this season

As for the point of the thread I've said all along review it at the end of the season I don't see anyone being able to do anything with this squad with the injuries which needs to be said are crippling Solskjaer

Like the OP says, i dont think it is the 'Hammering' us piece that's bothering. It's the ease at which City walked through us. Tactically, Physically, Mentally etc etc etc.. In fact City's decided to go easy on us in the 2nd half. It could have been much worse.

I get it, this is not Ole's team entirely and that he is still figuring things out ( topics for another thread so wont discuss here). But my god he is extremely out of his depth in terms of coaching and managing a team like united. Blame the squad all you want but if there are no tactics it's always dependent on individual brilliance and this unfortunately for that is a team game!

 

[devilish]

many fans now are younger and wont remember the bad times in the 70,s and 80,s when we were crap and Liverpool won everything... they will only have known the success through Fergies long long reign. No one has a Devine right to success. You have to earn it...

Fergie came in and changed everything from top to bottom, the youth policies, recruitment, training,, mentality etc etc... he is so missed. We need the next modern day Fergie... but remember it took Fergie a few years to get any success and many chanted Fergie out fergie out for 3 years. .... if the club had bowed down to supporters feelings fergie would have been sacked after 2/3 years and we wouldn’t have had such a glorious period Of success...

Food for thought.

A Sir Alex is a 1 in every 3 generations type of manager. The closest we got to him was Busby and he wasn't as great. Throughout our history we had 2 top managers who won like 99% of our trophies. 2 managers in nearly 142 years of history. That's not good enough.

Its time we stop expecting a genius to come in and bail us out. That can be done by breaking Sir Alex's role in 'pieces' which are then given to specialised men. Its time for United to bring in a top DOF and a top head of recruitment. Also we should hire the best people in the job not jobs for the boys.

 

[Leftback99]

I'd expect worse is to come results wise given our injury problems have got even worse than they have been up to now. Top 4 is gone for us.

The best we can hope for is a decent Europa League run if we get Maguire, McTominay and Pogba back in time with no further injuries elsewhere.

 

[Lee565]

Handing lingard an extension is probably still to come this season

 

[Member 101269]

Handing lingard an extension is probably still to come this season

Oh the beans..

Sell the beans..

Oh the commission beans..

beans beans beans..

Heinze.

 

[manunited1919]

Rock bottom for me would be seeing United in 15th or worse as the season draws to a close.

Yes, for me too. Unfortunately, I can see it happening. A pulled hamstring on Fred, for example, could put us into a relegation battle in a few weeks time.

 

[DRM]

Oh it's gonna get a lot worse now with all the injuries!

 

[Roboc7]

No it’s going to get worse, we’ll finish lower than 5th and will be out of both domestic cups pretty soon. Any half decent team will knock us out of Europa as well. But it will continue to get worse because Ed and Ole are both completely incompetent but are being trusted to implement a shit three year plan.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Yes, for me too. Unfortunately, I can see it happening. A pulled hamstring on Fred, for example, could put us into a relegation battle in a few weeks time.

Not going to get as bad as that mate. I still think we will get a Europa league spot.

 

[simplyared]

I've known plenty of lows over the last 49 years, but this does somehow feel different. I think it's because nobody at the club (owners, management, players, many fans) seems to be that bothered; they're all content to just muddle through and believe things will improve if they just wish hard enough.

I started going to games regularly and following the club seriously at exactly the same time Wilf McGuinness was being thrown under the bus by Sir Matt and the Edwards family, having inherited an ageing team and being given no support whatsoever in being allowed to rebuild it. Ole has received far more support than Wilf did, but it does all rather feel the same.

Even when the Doc took us down into the 2nd division it felt better than what it does now. Somehow we knew we'd bounce back and we sure did that with with a young team of players the likes of Coppell, Hill and Pearson. Together with Sammy Mac, Buchan etc. they all understood what the club was about. Players who come here now seem to get infected by some fecking virus and become mediocre. We have become painful to watch and we're rapidly losing our identity. Watched utd for 55 yrs and never felt as disillusioned as I do now.

 

[Antisocial]

If I’ve learned one thing over these last six years, it’s that things can always get worse

 

[pascell]

Watford away for me, losing 2-0 to the bottom of the league without putting up a fight. But then again, it didn't surprise me we lost, nothing does with United anymore.

 

[Irrational.]

What will be the final nail in the coffin for me?

Getting knocked out of the Carabao cup - nope
Getting knocked out of the FA cup - nope
Getting knocked out of the Europa League to a last minute Lukaku winner, who celebrates in front of the travelling United fans - nope

Losing the fourth and final CL place on the final game of the season by a point after realising we entered the season with a skeleton squad, dropped points to West Ham, Bournemouth, Southampton, Newcastle, Villa, Sheffield, Palace, Wolves and Watford before the halfway point, watching the likes of Lingard starting regularly whilst the thought dawns on me that we could've sacked Ole at any point during this before Pochettino signed a new deal with Bayern, whilst watching Liverpool lifting the PL trophy for the first time in 30 years as Martin Tyler's eulogy is drowned out by the sound of Steve McManaman furiously masturbating, whilst the camera pans to a smug Michael Oliver smiling in VAR HQ as he disallows a last minute United equaliser away to Leicester for offside by drawing some lines which merge together and some bullshit version of Pythagoras' theorem - yes.

 

[bdspeedy]

I doubt we will pull out of this malaise this season. We'll probably finish between 6th and 10th. As long as the "fans" (especially those who can't even name a player from the squad) show up and buy merch and the stock price doesn't fall too much, all is well in the Eddie/ Glazer world. They won't change a thing until their golden goose ATM stops shitting out cash.

 

[Irwin99]

We're only a few points off top 4, so it ain't that bad... yet. Looking at the fixtures in March and we better hope our players our back and fully fit as we have Everton away, Spurs away, City and Sheffield united as our four fixtures that month. Could be tricky. Rock bottom will if we're out of every competition and have no chance of Top 4.

 

[ghagua]

Nothing is more depressing to watch that seeing Lindelof and Jones. Yes, we have hit rock bottom. But hey, at least we have our ball-playing center backs.

 

[pascell]

Even when the Doc took us down into the 2nd division it felt better than what it does now. Somehow we knew we'd bounce back and we sure did that with with a young team of players the likes of Coppell, Hill and Pearson. Together with Sammy Mac, Buchan etc. they all understood what the club was about. Players who come here now seem to get infected by some fecking virus and become mediocre. We have become painful to watch and we're rapidly losing our identity. Watched utd for 55 yrs and never felt as disillusioned as I do now.

I'm sorry you feel that way after so long following United, I've had my season ticket 13 seasons and haven't seen anywhere near enough as you but as the same as you, this is the most disillusioned I've been with the club. The lack of aggression, grit, fight and determination in these players is startling.

 

[Bocca9978]

Watford away for me, losing 2-0 to the bottom of the league without putting up a fight. But then again, it didn't surprise me we lost, nothing does with United anymore.

Norwich next, and now they are bottom! It may be about to get worse for us.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

tl:dr: When is enough for you - what are your personal triggers that say a manager's time is up?

When the manager buys players mainly suited to play a type of football that is outdated in this case. Did not have much "belief" to begin with regarding OGS.

In general: If style of play is not competitive over time. Can see the contours of how the manager wants to play after around 10 games.

 

[manunited1919]

Not going to get as bad as that mate. I still think we will get a Europa league spot.

Yes, hopefully it doesn’t get as bad. But our midfield is a shambles and needs to be sorted out, and a reinforcement in January is a must.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I'd take a 12th place finish now and for us not to progress another round in any cup comp if it meant the Glazers would sell up before start of next season.

This shambles doesn't get better until they do. They can't undo what they've done without spending silly money and spending it well which they've proven they can't do.

Also rans FC until new owners come in.

 

[M16Red]

Watford away for me, losing 2-0 to the bottom of the league without putting up a fight. But then again, it didn't surprise me we lost, nothing does with United anymore.

This for me.

 

[dwd]

It's the most hopeless I have ever felt about United but I think it is going to get even worse yet.

 

[hurricane thunderclap]

It started with the appointment of the chosen one , carried on with the mental one and with the arrival of the waning one it totally , inevitably left us with the only one who wanted it.

 

[Ace]

I have enjoyed watching the premier league as a whole more this season-- It seems that the league as a whole has continued to improve and even though watching United isn't what it used to be, there are several great matchups each weekend. I'll only really check out of United once the top four is mathematically out of reach/we are eliminated from Europa League.

 

[momo83]

Probably when we lube ourselves up for Anfield

Ole’s at the wheel. He’ll pull our pants down, bend us over, and forget about the lube

 

[ash_86]

I've enjoyed our campaigns this season to be honest beating up all the top teams. I know that the team is young and inconsistent and hence our result flickers. Once we add good players and make squad depth better we'll do quite well in the league. Not even close to losing hope.

 

[Kill 'em all]

I am genuinely surprised at how we're sitting at 5th place and we've been so bad this season. We've had quite a few performances which made me question if we'd make the top half of the premier league table by the end of the season.

 

[Ander herrera the warrior]

Not signing a single player in this January transfer window.

 

[Member 101269]

i'm actually embarrassed. I'm not embarrassed that i changed from ole in to out, im embarrassed i was too emotional in my choice. Woodward made it clear there were limitations in the clubs ability to sign more players than they do in a window of opportunity. Yet, woodward and his team(s), not ole, has orchestrated more outs than ins.

The city game summed it up; we had to play kids. I'm not saying the kids weren't great. I'm saying many of the, so called, senior squad weren't at the standard required and/or passion required and/or health required.

It concerns me that there is a spread of Raiola as an agent. More specifically, a spread even after Raiola dumped on the club and some think that might go down well. SAF would have f**ked all over the players that did that.

Sadly, i have to question whether JM was right; only right in terms of structure, not right in terms of anti-untied football.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Yes, for me too. Unfortunately, I can see it happening. A pulled hamstring on Fred, for example, could put us into a relegation battle in a few weeks time.

Fred will get injured, he’s not been able to have a break. It’s probably why Maguire is injured as well.

 

[SteveW]

Next few weeks will be horrible. No midfield. Our only good CB missing. And no sign of Ed doing anything about it in the transfer window.

 

[LisburnWhite]

many fans now are younger and wont remember the bad times in the 70,s and 80,s when we were crap and Liverpool won everything... they will only have known the success through Fergies long long reign. No one has a Devine right to success. You have to earn it...

Fergie came in and changed everything from top to bottom, the youth policies, recruitment, training,, mentality etc etc... he is so missed. We need the next modern day Fergie... but remember it took Fergie a few years to get any success and many chanted Fergie out fergie out for 3 years. .... if the club had bowed down to supporters feelings fergie would have been sacked after 2/3 years and we wouldn’t have had such a glorious period Of success...

Food for thought.

Happy to play the long game with a good manager in charge but don't think Ole is I'm afraid.

 

[SteveW]

This.

The lesson City gave us a couple of seasons ago at OT was far worse, I don't think we touched the ball for an hour that day, KDB was on a different planet.

Tbh I'm kind of enjoying this season, the squad is paper thin which is hamstringing Ole and the end result will be entirely dependent on staying fit for the run in however when we're on it we've actually played some good stuff and had some good wins I think.

Agreed. The football has been decent considering the personnel. We've seen big improvements from the likes of Rashford, AM, Fred.

The constant fear of injuries and wondering how we can field a decent side is wearing me down though. Still can't believe Ed didn't sign a CM this summer. Negligence.

 

[Gazautd18]

I'm past the point of caring to be honest.
Just watching football for Fantasy Football reasons now.
It's a bit weird hoping De Bruyne scores or Liverpool keep a clean sheet but I've lived the good times, may as well get used to the bad.
I cried when we won our first Premier League and did the Treble.
I'm not crying now even though Liverpool and City are dominating.
I suppose that's something?

 

[Oddboy]

I guess compared to some I can take a loss on the chin pretty well. I don't even mind the banter at work from the 'Pool fans.

I think what I find more galling than anything is the output vs. the wage bill. I know it's not all about money, but the fact that some of these players are taking home a frankly ludicrous weekly cheque and turning out the shit that we are being sujected to week in week out is unforgivable. I'm pretty sure we have the highest wages in the League and for what!?

I actually think we have a lot to be excited about as regards Rashford, Greenwood, AWB, Williams, Martial, McT and Pogba - but it's the likes of Lingard, Jones, Shaw, Pereira, Rojo who just depress the feck out of me every time I see them in the shirt.

 

[fps]

Not signing anyone in January would be a low point with the current injuries. But I’m still enjoying this season more than Moyes and LVG.

 

[Josep Dowling]

I find it amazing the patience some have with this ‘project’.

3 times I have felt utterly deflated since Fergie. The Moyes 2-2 Fulham game, the LVG 3-0 loss to Stoke and last night. And as some people have said it wasn’t the loss it was the manner of the loss. It should have been 5-0 to City at half time whilst we yet again create nothing. So many games this season we have less than 2/3 shots on target.

We have reached stalemate and as much as I dislike Ole it’s not just down to him. I can’t believe he would be happy losing the players he did and then no players coming in. He’s been lied to by people above, no doubt about it. He’s pushing for signings this month. In his recent interview regarding Young he said we were looking to buy a couple of players. He’s trying to put the pressure on the board but they aren’t helping.

The Glazers, Woodward and Judge have fecked this club in less than 6 years. As a group of fans we NEED to get Woodward and Judge out the club. They are both parasites.