Go back and read about Liverpool's structure and owners up until Klopp started turning it around. It was quite similar.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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This doesn't make sense. Klopp had an excellent team when Ole took over. We had a terrible one. Why would having a lower spend over the last year mean he'd have succeeded with the squad Ole took over?
And a lot of Liverpool fans moaned for the first couple of years as well. 18 first team signings later though they look very good.
Just watched motd2 and jenas talks about oles tactics today, saying he liked the way he set up and the examples he used were excellent we just didn't have the quality to take advantage of the good positions we found ourselves in.
Pereira and James guilty, this is where we miss pogba badly even mata on the pitch might have picked a couple out.
Pereira and James guilty, this is where we miss pogba badly even mata on the pitch might have picked a couple out.
Entitled to your opinion but I think he has proven he could do a better job than Ole.
I understand your points on Ole. I think Ole does get a lot of unnessary flack for being tactically useless when it’s simply not true. He’s outsmarted Pep, Jose and we are still the only team to pick up points against Liverpool. But the lack of tactics against the lower teams is an issue. Yes we need more creativity in midfield but I think Mata can do that job and should be the regular number 10. Plus his insistence of not making changes until after 70 minutes is frustrating.
Poch identified 27 players he could bring in to improve the squad and his net spend was very low over the years. He can clearly identify players, imagine what he could do with a bigger budget? And the lure of Ole does worries me. I think we are more likely to attract players with Poch in charge. I just think with Poch being available you have to take the chance to get one of the best managers in world football. He will get a job soon and that opportunity will be gone. And just like what’s happened in recent years delaying a managerial change has meant we have lost out on employing decent managers.
The squad available today made it very difficult for Ole and the coaches.
But looking around at the other teams and managers in the league, and no one is giving Liverpool a fight!
If Pep/City can’t compete, if Poch/Jose/Tottenham can’t compete, if Chelsea/Arsenal can’t compete, then I don’t think sacking Ole should be the main topic for discussion after every 90 minutes.
It’s painful but if United can finish 4th then it will be mission complete for this season.
But looking around at the other teams and managers in the league, and no one is giving Liverpool a fight!
If Pep/City can’t compete, if Poch/Jose/Tottenham can’t compete, if Chelsea/Arsenal can’t compete, then I don’t think sacking Ole should be the main topic for discussion after every 90 minutes.
It’s painful but if United can finish 4th then it will be mission complete for this season.
Wrong thread.
Some of his recent comments have been Moyes style comments. The one about City playing their strongest team against us in the Carabao Cup was the worse.
Serious question, why happened more than once that our attackers were dribbling into our own attackers in the opposing area? Why aren't they moving creating spaces, why were they standing still and waiting for something to happen?
Since Klopp took over Liverpool he has spent less than us, so even with our owners Klopp would have gotten us to the top.
Do what I do. Just don’t listen to them. Haven’t heard one since Everton away.
He's made some poor choices during the course of the season. The goal today was a result of poor defending at a corner. We're joint top for conceding from corners in the league and it seems like we've done absolute naff all to improve on this. Another example of poor coaching or no coaching in this area.
Mate Klopp would have won us the league with our owners. Don’t resort to some of these posters level. You think United wouldn’t fund the purchases of Robertson; Wiljnildrum, Salah even bloody VVD?
Might have took us 6 weeks but hey.
Are we deluded that much that you think that we can sign World Class players (who expect UCL) in the current world state we’re in?
We are not good enough anymore, the fans need to realise that and ironically enough, stop doing the one thing that we berated Liverpool fans for doing - living in the past.
Buy players who are great but not world class, make a team of players rather than a few World Class players who you “just pass to”
Get to where you need to be, then you can attract the WC players again.
We can attract them, but we’d end up with a bunch of mercenaries again.....& look how that turned out
If he can't lure in Haaland after coaching him at Molde and being besties with his father/agent, what hope do we have in attracting exciting South American players? Who the feck is queuing up to play for Ole? The only way we can get a good player if we massively overpay on transfer/salary, or if he's a youth product. That's it.
Just because everyone else is shit, and by the way City have just won two titles on the bounce, Arsenal have actually replaced an under-performing manager and Chelsea will no doubt pull the trigger should Lampard not work out. But we should persist with an inept coach who's ridiculously fortunate to be in this position, because everyone else around us is gash. Laughable logic.
Klopp and Van Dijk said in their post-match interviews that they had identified defending corners as a weakness for us. Klopp specifically gave credit to his video assistants for pointing that out and said that Liverpool spoke and practiced for hours on Friday how to exploit set pieces (specifically corners).
That Van Dijk goal was no accident.
Does Ole even have a philosophy?? You look at Guardiola and the players he signs and you can see how they fit his philosophy, look at Sarri and the players he wants, look at Klopp. Now look at Ole and the players he signed - Maguire, AWB, James and tell me how they fit his philosophy apart from them just fitting into a position we need and are British
This whole "Ole outsmarted Pep" nonsense needs to go out the window asap. Let's get it right, we exploited a weakness in City's way of playing at the time, we did nothing but what we've been doing all season, there was no change to the plan, it just worked for that match. Then, at the second time of asking, Pep realised what we were doing, changed how they approached us, and then they proceeded to absolutely batter us off the park, the scoreline flattered to decieve and should have been alot more had they not took their foot off the gas in the second half, i mean their passing became so pedestrian against us it was pathetic. Ole was unable to make any kind of change to counter this and that is why they continued to batter us for the majority of the match
He did not "outsmart Pep" he was unable to adapt tactically in the second match after they did after the first match, because he doesn't have any tactical plan outside of what it is we've been doing since he's got here
He did not "outsmart Pep" he was unable to adapt tactically in the second match after they did after the first match, because he doesn't have any tactical plan outside of what it is we've been doing since he's got here
I like how Ole plays but corners when defending is something he needs to shout to his coaches. Something is horribly wrong. We need to fix that s***. If they can't do it, get the proper coaches for the set pieces.
Your understanding wasn’t the point I was making...but laughter is the best medicine!
We need the right players to do what he does but ok, this is getting tired. If anybody can kill Pep on a counter, why can't they? You know the answer. Ole is tactically astute for sure. The fact that he changes the pressing and shape to adapt to games show that he's not clueless. Our execution is failing to put us ahead when we need to, but that can be addressed with the right players to pick up the passes. And when that happens, our football will be fundamentally different with no change in the way we approach games. I for one think this could be very close, one offensive midfielder and one forward away, at least.
Klopp brought in good players, not world class at the time, and then made a team greater than the sum of its parts because he's a top football coach.
Ole is not a football coach, so his sides will always only be as good as their best player(s) when they're fit and in form.
Ole is not a football coach, so his sides will always only be as good as their best player(s) when they're fit and in form.
Is it normal to let a player play in a game when he's got a stress fracture?
Has anyone asked the question why Ole didn't let DDG up the pitch at the end? I can only think it was cowardice thinking 1-0 looks better than 2-0.
He's the David Brent of football management, it's so shocking to see how far we've fallen.
I don't know if it's been mentioned already but Simon Jordan on Talksport was saying after the game that he's been "reliably informed" that Ole is safe at United no matter what. Just as expected really.
On a separate note, he was absolutely scathing of United. I find him to be very level headed and fair when talking about football but I was completely surprised to hear him going in on United. He labelled Ole as not fit for purpose and said he's the appointment you make as a chairman when you want a manager that will accept less cash to spend and not kick up a fuss. To be honest I couldn't disagree with much he said. He said he thinks we're in serious trouble as a club because we've been left behind by Liverpool and City, whilst he thinks the likes of Everton, Leicester, Wolves and Tottenham are setting up to really push over the next few years.
On a separate note, he was absolutely scathing of United. I find him to be very level headed and fair when talking about football but I was completely surprised to hear him going in on United. He labelled Ole as not fit for purpose and said he's the appointment you make as a chairman when you want a manager that will accept less cash to spend and not kick up a fuss. To be honest I couldn't disagree with much he said. He said he thinks we're in serious trouble as a club because we've been left behind by Liverpool and City, whilst he thinks the likes of Everton, Leicester, Wolves and Tottenham are setting up to really push over the next few years.
They were world class when he bought them though. He just showed the world that they are when put together with more world class players and with great motivational coaching..
I get the Poch argument too. He's a good manager. I wanted him here. I like the way he improves young players. I love the style of football his teams play. Spurs were often breathtaking under him. He has an eye for a bargain. There's a lot to like about him. I would have been delighted if he'd replaced Jose at the time. I'm a big fan.
But as much as I like Poch I think there's genuine validity to the argument that he doesn't quite have it in big games. He's got an awful record against the big 6. They got a pretty easy passage to the CL final and they flopped in the final. I don't see the ruthlessness and the tactical flexibility in him to win pivotal matches and big European games. I think he's a bit one dimensional and if he was in charge of that United team today I think we'd have got smashed for 4 or 5. I see him as someone who might build a nice squad, get us playing decent stuff and improve the youngsters. That would be a huge step forward from what happened under Moyes, LVG and Jose who all took us backwards. And I think we'd all enjoy having him in charge.
Ole on the other hand does handle big matches well though. The guy has a really dysfunctional unbalanced weak squad that simply isn't capable of effectively doing want he wants on a consistent basis. But he manages to drag performances out of them consistently against the top sides. Tactically he's been able to outwit some of the best managers in the game. Considering how poor we are and how young the players are it pretty impressive. The players despite their age and lack of success never seem to panic anymore in the big games. Today could have been a disaster but they kept playing their football and could have stolen a draw if one or two things had went right. There's a strong mentality emerging that simply wasn't there last season. I think this is undeniable.
I want to see where this can go before throwing the towel in and perhaps missing out on the emergence of a good manager. What happened at Cardiff could happen to any young manager. He won the league with Molde. They had some decent Europa league wins against far bigger clubs. Injuries have killed us on the table this season and look like they will continue to do so but the team still play better football than they did at the start of the season. We've started to score more goals. Our counter attacking is the best its been since under SAF and there's definitely a real hunger and honesty that hadn't been there for many years. It's not just empty talk. When he has a squad that's fit for purpose I can see the consistency of the results improving greatly. Once that happens I expect people to chill out a bit and get behind him.
If Ole gets to sign 18 first team players over the next few seasons I can see us improving a great deal as well. He's signed 3 so far and they've been good.
Sadly I'm there as well, I turned off Sky before he was about to speak. Excuses and a lot of generic BS from him lately. I'm still in the Ole in camp btw and still feel this way.
He signed +10 players for Cardiff in the summer after they got relegated and they ended up having horrendous start to Championship campaign before getting ultimately sacked.
As am I mate. I have no illusions of grandeur when it comes to Ole but I am tired of the Manager musical chair we as fans have been subjected to in the past few years. I long for some stability so that the squad can stabilize and then in like 2-3 years we can address if Ole needs to go. Our squad is full of past managers’ footprints and it does not gel. Hence every transfer window everyone is like we need to nuke the squad
Im glad I am not alone if Ole’s post match interviews. On a match like this, I personally would take the less is more approach. Anything he says in defiance is social media gold for the rest of the world
Ofcourse they are, going there and expecting a win would be delusional but that looked a lot of times like it did in fergie heydays when a relegation fodder team came to OT and we just didn't put them to the sword and they escaped with a respectable defeat. That is unacceptable, that performance is easily one of the worst I have seen post Ferguson.
Go ahead tell us what exactly has he done that makes you believe we are going in the right direction? A quick google of utd's coaching staff under ole shows its either mostly rookie like Carrick and McKenna, who haven't been coaching first teams for long or it's people ole and phelan have previously worked with at molde or cardiff or in Australia, with a weird obsession with getting in people who might have some link with man utd in past. Must be some 1%ers who all seem to have worked with the manager or assistant manager or were already at the club.
Don't worry lads, just a little more pashun and cultcha and we're nearly there!!
Hard work is the core of every manager out there including Klopp and Pep. And it should be United core too. To mock it is to not understand one of the problems we’ve had for the last 6 years. We had clueless managers who didn’t want to focus on hard work at all.And 'running', you forgot 'running'...
Oh, and 'Tradition'
Yeah, whatever... moan however you want, in a few years, you will remember how this squad winning the league has started and it started this year.
I can guarantee you that if we're winning the league in a few years, Ole won't be our manager.
We don't even press well lately.
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