Munkehboi
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Agreed, a lot of WUM'in on here.Anyone Ole in at this point is just a troll.
Agreed, a lot of WUM'in on here.Anyone Ole in at this point is just a troll.
Most fans from other teams love him at the moment.Anyone Ole in at this point is just a troll.
I don't think Molde will take him, they're doing better without him.Anyone who wants him to stay needs the head testing. They can jog on to Molde with him.
If not, just imagine how much their phone numbers would be worth, as a sucker list.Anyone Ole in at this point is just a troll.
The opposite surely?Can people not want him to stay for reasons other than him been good enough? Or are they 'trolls' too?
We 'could' be on the cusp of some sort of proper movement against the real villains at the club, sacking Ole now will only dampen this down, and brush all the crap under carpet once again, until next time of course.
I will be out on the streets celebrating if we win a League Cup and the EL and the 2nd place in the PL. Even without 2nd place if we win the EL and a Cup I will hold up my hands and say I was wrong.
Nah, my standards haven’t lowered as much as yours obviously@Zen86 would too and he'd be claiming Ole the second coming of Sir Alex. He knows it, I know it, you know it.
We’re a mess yes, but at least we’re a crap team full of youth and inexperience, as opposed to before when we were a crap team full of expensive wasters. Sadly I don’t see anything changing until the ownership sort themselves out, or go.We're in a worse state now, no matter how much Ole's disciples might trying distorting the truth. We're a fecking mess beyond belief.
Yet you're happy to go with a manager and his 37% win-rate. Who has the lower standards here?Nah, my standards haven’t lowered as much as yours obviously
And the season he's having and the season we're having suggest I'm correct.You'd want to keep a player like Lukaku for 1 year after the season he's had?
If he spunks the kind of money and plays the kind of football Mourinho did, I surely will be calling him a spectacular failure as well. And calling his final year a “slow start” is understating it slightly. The guy fell apart before the season even started.Yet you're happy to go with a manager and his 37% win-rate. Who has the lower standards here?
So if Ole wins the EL this year and next season finishes 2nd with a 65% win rate you'll be on here after a slow start to the following year calling him a spectacular failure?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I've made no secret that I think Mourinho, LVG both ultimately failed here. The spectacular failures so far though are Moyes and OSG, how there is any question about this, well there simply isn't.
I know, and he still had a better win rate that year than Ole this seasonAnd calling his final year a “slow start” is understating it slightly. The guy fell apart before the season even started.
We’re still fixing the mess he left, and will be for some time.I know, and he still had a better win rate that year than Ole this season
But it sweeps nothing under the carpet if he does it badly, or more fairly isn't given the backing to do it well even if he did have the ability.The opposite surely?
Trimming the squad, getting rid of deadwood & mercenaries, going back to our youth... all these things are the drum Ole beats and helps sweep lots under the carpet, certainly more than Mourinho for sure, who demanded and expected. Ole is just happy to be here.
You’re right, we should have persevered with Sanchez, Lukaku and the rest, and the miserable pragmatic football we had made our own. We had some solid foundations right there.Nothing says 'fixing the mess' like making the team worse.
Indeed. What possible benefit could we have gained from having Lukaku right now.You’re right, we should have persevered with Sanchez, Lukaku and the rest, and the miserable pragmatic football we had made our own. We had some solid foundations right there.
Not his first touch or effort, that’s for sure.Indeed. What possible benefit could we have gained from having Lukaku right now.
Certainly not his goals, either, right?Not his first touch or effort, that’s for sure.
Well said.It's crazy looking at it now. I used to praise Ole for clearing deadwood and making good signings but sitting back and looking at things carefully he did neither of these things well and in a very naive manner.
Look at the deadwood he cleared
Herrera - Arguably our most consistent midfielder last season
Lukaku - Our only proven goalscorer and now challenging for golden boot in Italy
Smalling - Our best defender and currently one of the best defenders in Italy
Sanchez - No longer in the club but we are still paying his salary so he's still kind of there.
Damian - Absolute deadwood. Completely forgot he existed until he was sold
Young - Ole wanted him to stay
Looking at this should Ole even be praised for clearing deadwood. The most obvious ones Jones, Bailey, Lingard, Pereira, Mata, Matic and Rojo are still there.
Now look at his players he bought and try to fix them to his style of play. Ole plays a highline yet he insisted on signing a slow 80m defender to pair with another slow defender which is not suitable for a highline. Ole's full backs join in the attack and yet he insisted on signing AWB who is very limited in attack. Why sign James and play him out of position as a right winger?
So looking at this, some of the deadwood he cleared are questionable and his three signings are not suited to his style of play. I think this is one aspect apart from Ole's tactics that people haven't carefully looked at
I guess we’ll never know why we sold such a celebrated striker. The caf was in mourning that day.Certainly not his goals, either, right?
I know. 'He only scores against crap teams like Burnley, Watford, Newcastle, etc'.I guess we’ll never know why we sold such a celebrated striker. The caf was in mourning that day.
If the results have been good then we would all be here singing his praises. I honestly think he has the right ideas and truly wants set us on the right path, the problem is the execution of it.The opposite surely?
Trimming the squad, getting rid of deadwood & mercenaries, going back to our youth... all these things are the drum Ole beats and helps sweep lots under the carpet, certainly more than Mourinho for sure, who demanded and expected. Ole is just happy to be here.
We can agree on thatI know. 'He only scores against crap teams like Burnley, Watford, Newcastle, etc'.
The Caf sure does know its football.
Why? I would say that Ole out-brigade are clueless football fans, and to be frank, most football fans are clueless.Anyone Ole in at this point is just a troll.
I've heard it all now.But it sweeps nothing under the carpet if he does it badly, or more fairly isn't given the backing to do it well even if he did have the ability.
Are you wanting Ole to do a Jose and start moaning that we are doing things wrong, not getting the backing, etc? Well Jose was hated by most for doing that, and then gone quick as a flash, and now look at us, we are worse.
Fans aren't stupid they know it's not really Ole's fault, and we are starting to see the attention turning where it should be doing finally, so to me it makes sense for this to continue now to see if we get anywhere with it, rather than just sacking him and hoping things will be different this time.
Perhaps Ole is even in on it all, which is why he won't do the obvious thing and just walk away, rather than seeing himself getting tainted with all this , (I admit this bit sounds far fetched).
Tell me about Ole's track record as a manager and what others are missing that makes you so sure it's others that are clueless and not yourself.Why? I would say that Ole out-brigade are clueless football fans, and to be frank, most football fans are clueless.
No one thinks Lukaku was the heir to Denis Law, Mark Hughes, Andy Cole, Ruud, Rooney, Robin etc.. But, if there was no obvious replacement, maybe we could have held onto him for one more year rather than run Rashford into the ground?I guess we’ll never know why we sold such a celebrated striker. The caf was in mourning that day.
I did say that bit was far fetched to be fair, but still I doubt things are as all they seem with him.I've heard it all now.
Ole does nothing but deflect blame for Woodward.
I agree and have made these points myself this season. The bold bit is the most damning though. I like AWB defensively but I think it's crazy to expect him to be our attacking outlet down one side. If anything I would have thought Ole would have favoured a more attacking RB given that he talked about bringing exciting football back to OT when he took over. I just don't see his vision for this team at all, it feels completely thrown together.It's crazy looking at it now. I used to praise Ole for clearing deadwood and making good signings but sitting back and looking at things carefully he did neither of these things well and in a very naive manner.
Look at the deadwood he cleared
Herrera - Arguably our most consistent midfielder last season
Lukaku - Our only proven goalscorer and now challenging for golden boot in Italy
Smalling - Our best defender and currently one of the best defenders in Italy
Sanchez - No longer in the club but we are still paying his salary so he's still kind of there.
Damian - Absolute deadwood. Completely forgot he existed until he was sold
Young - Ole wanted him to stay
Looking at this should Ole even be praised for clearing deadwood. The most obvious ones Jones, Bailey, Lingard, Pereira, Mata, Matic and Rojo are still there.
Now look at his players he bought and try to fix them to his style of play. Ole plays a highline yet he insisted on signing a slow 80m defender to pair with another slow defender which is not suitable for a highline. Ole's full backs join in the attack and yet he insisted on signing AWB who is very limited in attack. Why sign James and play him out of position as a right winger?
So looking at this, some of the deadwood he cleared are questionable and his three signings are not suited to his style of play. I think this is one aspect apart from Ole's tactics that people haven't carefully looked at
You know his track record just as well as me.Tell me about Ole's track record as a manager and what others are missing that makes you so sure it's others that are clueless and not yourself.
Convince me this team needs major investment to beat Burnley (just one of many examples) who could barely keep the ball for more than 3 passes.
If the results have been good then we would all be here singing his praises.
If anybody buys into that then they would have been better served supporting Jose when he was here. At least he just made it obvious that Woodward was a problem. Like I said at the time, Jose was the only person involved with United that had the right standards befitting the club. The players were shirking responsibility and Woodward wouldn't accept his shortcomings and relinquish his control over football matters.I did say that bit was far fetched to be fair, but still I doubt things are as all they seem with him.
Ole is deflecting nothing now, people know what's going on, and who's to blame.
Lukaku needed to go. Our inability to conduct transfer business is the main problem, Fernandes being case in point.No one thinks Lukaku was the heir to Denis Law, Mark Hughes, Andy Cole, Ruud, Rooney, Robin etc.. But, if there was no obvious replacement, maybe we could have held onto him for one more year rather than run Rashford into the ground?
After the quite incredible amount of stick Lukaku used to get on here even when he played well, it's an absolute cheek to even dare hint at criticising Ole or the club for letting him leave. Especially as Lukaku has made it quite clear he wanted to leave for a long time...according to himself he wanted to leave after his first ever game for us. According to this forum "We could never win the league with Lukaku as our no 9"It's crazy looking at it now. I used to praise Ole for clearing deadwood and making good signings but sitting back and looking at things carefully he did neither of these things well and in a very naive manner.
Look at the deadwood he cleared
Herrera - Arguably our most consistent midfielder last season
Lukaku - Our only proven goalscorer and now challenging for golden boot in Italy
Smalling - Our best defender and currently one of the best defenders in Italy
Sanchez - No longer in the club but we are still paying his salary so he's still kind of there.
Damian - Absolute deadwood. Completely forgot he existed until he was sold
Young - Ole wanted him to stay
Looking at this should Ole even be praised for clearing deadwood. The most obvious ones Jones, Bailey, Lingard, Pereira, Mata, Matic and Rojo are still there.
Now look at his players he bought and try to fix them to his style of play. Ole plays a highline yet he insisted on signing a slow 80m defender to pair with another slow defender which is not suitable for a highline. Ole's full backs join in the attack and yet he insisted on signing AWB who is very limited in attack. Why sign James and play him out of position as a right winger?
So looking at this, some of the deadwood he cleared are questionable and his three signings are not suited to his style of play. I think this is one aspect apart from Ole's tactics that people haven't carefully looked at
Only if there is a replacement. And, if Ole was promised a replacement and was shafted, he should speak up rather than be a yes man. Otherwise we are pushing Marcus down the Owen/Fowler/Torres route.Lukaku needed to go. Our inability to conduct transfer business is the main problem, Fernandes being case in point.
As I keep saying, we have absolutely no proof that Ole is the right man, only strong evidence that he is not. Logically you would assume the Ole out guys to be correct. Do you disagree?You know his track record just as well as me.
Mediocre teams loses football matches. Just as Arsenal, Everton and us. And sometimes they win games against better sides, as us when we beat City. This is nothing new.
Its the rebuilding I trust Ole for, getting the right players in and letting the correct players leave. And at the same time letting us hungry players develop. So far its been alright.
Its finally a process and a plan behind what we do, if it takes 3 years for us to challenge then be it, but it sure as hell doesnt take one season to rebuild an entire club thats rotten.