No chance. Its okay when the West is bad just not them "Ay-rabs"
Saudi sports minister gives update on buying club from Glazers
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I know, right. Move this train wreck of a thread to a politics board. Let the high and mighty of both sides continue it there.
How fast can camels sprint?
Well said.
It’s not like them owning us or not really changes the geopolitics that much if at all. This clubs needs capital and owners who desire good football and being relevant in the premiere level of club talent. At a $4B price tag, we really don’t have a lot of choice. In fact, we literally don’t have a choice as it’s up to the Glazers to sell.
One day, Saudi Arabia is going to be a modern country with more liberal values and that will be in major part due to MBS. And this controversial stuff about their conservative culture will be mere history. So I’m not too fussed about this current opinion of them if MBS wants to spend all this money on making us great again. And I ain’t one bit sorry for having this opinion.
According to The Mummy as seen in the race to Hamanaptra, faster than horses.
The flesh eating scarabs are the fastest machines on earth if starved for a few thousand years
Are you implying that moaning on the Caf will achieve anything?
I'm asking the question, those who are vocal in no longer following the club if any such takeover occurs, will they take it to an appropraite place or just post on the Caf, like that will achieve anything?
I'm not sure where you got the bolded from but Suadi Arabia has no reason to become liberal under the current regime. You should look up Wahhabism and how it relates to the Suadi royal family. Once you do, let us know if you still think their country will become more liberal.
So do you and I - how many of us scrutinise what our banks invest our money in?
Doesn't mean i'd support a club owned by Dictators who operate an horrendous regime. I wouldn't want them to use United as a way to improve their PR.
I have friends from Saudi Arabia who are working in the US and I ask them about their country whenever I talk to them. There is actually a split in ideas between MBS and the older more conservative factions of the Royal Family. The conservatives who want things to stay the old way really don’t like MBS. Another thing to look at is Vision 2030 which is a detailed plan to modernize and has even noted the promotion of cultural and social tolerance for what it’s worth. If true, then this all points to them embracing more liberal practices since they can’t rely on oil money forever and have to participate in other industries. That’s where I think things like investing a football club come into play — another step in the modernization process. So if that benefits us while they transform themselves, then I’m all for it.
edit: meant to link this https://vision2030.gov.sa/en
also edit: this wysiwyg editor is shit
Can we just create an ethics thread elsewhere and we keep this thread for actual news??
There's enough occupation in the current events side of the caf globe
You come in here to search for news and all you read is about Churchill and Blair. I wonder how they would fare as a manager or as a DOF. They would probably be better then Ole
Churchill would have had us parachute into the nou camp for CL ties and Blair would have had us playing friendlies in Afghanistan against Bush XI.
Insofar as this is the biggest Manchester United forum in the world, yes, it could potentially achieve something. I also don't think it's wrong that people who love the club demonstrate a visceral reaction to the club that they love and all the working class values of Manchester thrown out the window by the sale to a dictatorial regime, a regime that many would reject on moral grounds. In fact, many rejected the Glazers when they bought the club, and most here still "moan" about them. This is a forum of opinion and those opinions have a right to be expressed, regardless of what you deem an appropriate medium through which to express them (and I would argue a discussion forum is a good start!)
Well to be honest i was being a sarcy prick but you're older than i imagined so fair enough mate.
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Right, but both of them have taken a sizeable chunk of investment from the folks who send their goons to another country to murder, dismember and dissolve someone in acid so that's the point. How many layers of direct interaction with the "murderous regime" are we willing to be removed to not consume their product
Ok, because lack of consistency can only be pointed out by whataboutism, it is perfectly fine to not be consistent on these standards across the board.
Fully agree with this. I literally do not get the moral standards we cherry pick today. People harp on about cutting fossil fuel usage but happily consume meat (higher carbon footprint per capita than carbon emissions from an automobile). Oppressive Saudi regime but using iPhone made in China is fine. I don't really protest any of these since I do not understand where an objective line can be drawn. It's become so tedious now :/
Factually, there is a progress in liberalization of the regime. Recent developments include women attained driving rights, women higher education promotion, entrance visa liberalization.
Yes, Wahabbism is a radical interpretation of the Holy Quran and Sunna. Yes, it is the official ideology of the Saudi regime.
But, as any repressive ideology, after playing it’s role in establishing statehood, Wahab’s teachings became politically obsolete.
I.e. inefficient for managing millions of the Saudi citizens who travel, have money, satellite TV, and Internet. The Saudis are shifting to a more open Dubai (Qatar, Kuwait, Oman) model.
The Saudi elite is looking to ditch Wahab in a way that wouldn’t cost them power. The same trick as Chinese communists did after Mao. Do you think that Communism is really working in China? No. There’s no Communism. China’s real ideology is Bureaucracy.
Gradual liberalization is a must for an oppressive regime to survive in the XXI century. MBS represents that understanding in the Saudi family.
He is not a saint, he is a cynical and power addicted dictator, but he is not stupid. He has to liberalize regime and modernize economy to prepare it for post-oil world.
Otherwise, he risks to get a crowbar in his anus like Qaddafi.
It was an analogy to illustrate a point.
Im not sure I'm ok with the idea that heads of state can just put people to death or order air strikes which will likely result in civilian casualties being acceptable either but that's for another thread.
You've kind of made my point for me though. That's why I don't want a head of state or a government, in particular one such as the Saudis, in charge of my club.
HAHAHAHA..
This last sentence really threw me in an otherwise serious post!I'm in fear of taking this off topic, but what exactly is the problem with a 'feminist' government? Right wing commentators and various other morons seemed to have successfully obfuscated the real meaning of the term.
It Utd is sold it could be a levered buyout again.
The FA,PL,UEFA,FIFA,British government etc haven't banned it.
He’s not kidding either.
If anything the Saudis owning United would put them under the spotlight even more. So you could argue they'd have to clean up their act. Swings and roundabouts this debate. Everyone is entitled to their view though and I totally get those who are against it. I am all for it. If it makes us a more powerful club and gets rid of the debt then great stuff.
What are people going to do when they realise the Saudi’s aren’t actually going to buy us and it’s nothing but lazy journalism/rumours.
Good job we're not all English then isn't it
Yes the 1936 Berlin Olympics certainly made Adolf Hitler think again!!!
Great post
Yes exactly. Where do you ethically draw the line. I mean if the Saudi's owning United made circumstances/atrocities worse in their homeland then yeah of course it would be reprehensible to back it as fans, but any potential ownership would only serve to do the opposite (however slight.) Add in the fact that we as fans have absolutely no say or effect on who owns the club and then this whole stance people have on here becomes a bit silly really.
If more people said NO then maybe real change may happen. South Africa had to change because people said NO and boycotted them, NOT because people like you welcomed them with open arms
He had a journalist kidnapped, toutured to death, chopped up to pieces and then thrown out like garbage.
C'mon people. The Glazers are greedy capitalists but they are not monsters.
People can try to disguise however they want it
But these people have blood of thousand of innocent people on their hands. And these are the people you want authorizing the transfer budget.
If it was a Saudi private citizen buying the club there would be no issue. But it's the people in power who directly commit gross human abuses who want to buy the club.
I said some of yall not all of yall
Monster is a relative term.
Also.....Have you not seen what's been going on it Qatar? I don't see the PSG fans lining the streets complaining about their regime. DO you not think the City owner hasn't had people 'disappear' in the desert pal? Of course he bloody has. The world is one evil place. It's not just the Saudis. Our own government and the US are the biggest arms dealers in the world yet millions of people turn out and vote for them.
People need to wise up.
The problem with getting the Saudis in is that they will never sell the club for another 50 to 100 years, they are in there for long term. We will be just moaning about the owners in case if we do not like them or like what they do to the society. In case if Saudis do buy the club and do inhuman activities our conscious will suggest us to stop supporting United and support some other club.
On the other hand we will be buying all top talents, we have the best infrastructure a club could have, winning titles the way City are doing it now etc.
Sometimes I feel like I want the Saudis in as I hate Glazers vey much and sometimes I feel I do not want these Saudis.
Wish in England they run the club like Barcelona ie owned by the club members. It would have been better.
On the other hand we will be buying all top talents, we have the best infrastructure a club could have, winning titles the way City are doing it now etc.
Sometimes I feel like I want the Saudis in as I hate Glazers vey much and sometimes I feel I do not want these Saudis.
Wish in England they run the club like Barcelona ie owned by the club members. It would have been better.
Oh that’s ok then, leave them all to it. What a waste of time that world war 2 was